[QUOTE=LtKyle2;37861951][sp] I don't get why having chainmail means she had to slap him.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]...It was a wedding[/sp]
[sp] Didn't the Greatjon or someone have a sword?[/sp]
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;37863352][sp] Didn't the Greatjon or someone have a sword?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The Frey's made everyone put their swords away, though most people had daggers to cut meat with.[/sp]
[sp]I recall him using a turkey leg to smash Frey's like a baws[/sp]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37863917][sp]I recall him using a turkey leg to smash Frey's like a baws[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]He did a great job protecting his king with that turkey leg, heh?[/sp]
[sp]Just finished Dance.
Hoolllyyy fucking shit, poor Kevan, he was like the last decent guy in KL. Not to mention Vary's creepiness level going to several thousand.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Carne;37818457]I've been told [url=http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2372044032/nm0852965]Noah Taylor[/url] is definitely playing Vargo Hoat.[/QUOTE]
That is absolutely brilliant. Noah Taylor is a stunning actor, and he almost has a natural slobber to his voice anyway. I'm really looking forward to his character, I think he'll perform well.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37865235][sp]Just finished Dance.
Hoolllyyy fucking shit, poor Kevan, he was like the last decent guy in KL. Not to mention Vary's creepiness level going to several thousand.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]i still don't get who varys supports. sorry bro but you can't have aegon and dany on the throne... or can you?[/sp]
I had a chat with Panzer yesterday concerning Sandor vs. Gregor, and a particular point that GRRM might exploit came into the discussion (A Feast for Crows spoilers up ahead, nothing from DwD I think.)
[sp]You know how Sandor longs to kill Gregor? I mean yeah Sandor is a monk now, but Martin has been building up to this duel through the entire series, we all know it's going to happen eventually. The only issue now is... Gregor was tough enough to kill before, but now he's perhaps immune to bleeding, poison and decapitation (aka the only things that could probably kill him in life) which means a Sandor vs. Gregor fight would be horribly one sided...
... Unless Sandor used fire to immolate his brother, just as his brother did the same to him.[/sp]
[sp]How do we know that Sandor is a monk?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Chrille;37871379][sp]How do we know that Sandor is a monk?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]we don't but it is pretty heavily hinted that is at the very least alive. brienne has no idea what he looks like so he could've been that "simpleton" grave digger. also if he joins the faith militant it puts him in a good position to be their champion against Strong[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37870587][sp]i still don't get who varys supports. sorry bro but you can't have aegon and dany on the throne... or can you?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think it is generally agreed he supports the Blackfyre's, and that Aegon is actually a secret Blackfyre but does not know it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37870587][sp]i still don't get who varys supports. sorry bro but you can't have aegon and dany on the throne... or can you?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Aegon and Daenarys could marry, old school Targaryan style.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37871948][sp]I think it is generally agreed he supports the Blackfyre's, and that Aegon is actually a secret Blackfyre but does not know it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]What gives you the idea Prince Aegon is a Blackfyre?[/sp]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37871948]stuff[/QUOTE]
wrap that in spoilers for people that don't know [sp]he fucking exists[/sp]
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also [sp]he helped viserys and is still kind of helping danys. he sent ser barristan her way rather than aegon's[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37872220]wrap that in spoilers for people that don't know [sp]he fucking exists[/sp]
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also [sp]he helped viserys and is still kind of helping danys. he sent ser barristan her way rather than aegon's[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think that he [sp]originally intended to get Aegon and Dany together in his manse when he sent a summons to Dany in Quarth.[/sp]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;37871952][sp]Aegon and Daenarys could marry, old school Targaryan style.[/sp]
[sp]What gives you the idea Prince Aegon is a Blackfyre?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Let me quote some one who knows more than I.
[sp][QUOTE]The biggest one is the "mummer's dragon" that Dany sees in the House of the Undying. A "mummer's dragon" meaning, a fake dragon. Or a dragon controlled by Varys. Or a fake dragon controlled by Varys.
There are also a lot of scattered references to the Blackfyre Rebellion and the Golden Company's (founded by Bittersteel, Daemon Blackfyre's half-brother) desire to put a Blackfyre on the throne. These references pick up quite a bit in ADWD, which is the book in which Aegon first appears. Nifty, huh? I think that Aegon is actually a Blackfyre descendant, and so is Varys. I'm not entirely convinced that Varys is even a eunuch, and he may even shave his head to hide Targ hair (which Egg does too in the Dunk & Egg stories). Varys wants to put a Blackfyre on the throne. The Golden Company has NEVER broken a contract before ... but they broke one to join Aegon. Tyrion asks Illyrio about this, and Illyrio says that "some contracts are writ in blood," or something to that effect. The Blackfyre Rebellion itself is name-dropped so many times that it almost has to come into play somewhere. Aegon makes the most sense.
Aegon also seems to parallel the historical figure of Perkin Warbeck. Warbeck claimed to be Richard, Duke of York, who was murdered in the Tower of London as a young child. Warbeck was a fraud who ended up being executed.
I think Jon Connington doesn't know that the kid is fake. But he's still pining for Rhaegar and wanting to make amends for his failures, so he believes what he wants to believe. He also didn't meet this kid until he was 4-5 years old.
The entire cover story about the switched baby reeks to the skies. Varys was trying to keep Tywin OUT of the city. He had to have known beforehand what would happen, that Aegon would be killed and that the kid's face would be unrecognizable. On the one hand, a kid's smashed face seems to hint that there was a switch. But this really only works in hindsight — Varys had no way of knowing that Gregor would wreck the kid's face. If Gregor hadn't, the impostor would've probably been spotted. They also had to have found a Targ-looking baby in FLEA BOTTOM. There were just too many things that had to go precisely right, many of them out of Varys' control. I think the real Aegon did actually die.
It also makes far, far more sense, if Aegon had survived, for him to be raised out in the open, to gather exiled Targ loyalists and to have a court in exile. Similar to what Henry VII did when he was exiled as a boy. He set up his own court, he made a marriage contract, and his enemies knew where he was and what he was doing. He gathered support openly, came back and won the crown from Richard III. That Aegon has apparently fallen off the face of the earth, only to randomly turn up, should set anyone's bullshit detector off.
I ask, what evidence is there that he's real? Varys' word, and Connington's gullible belief. That's it.
The biggest easter egg, though, is actually in A Feast For Crows. Remember how I said that Aegon (and I do think that HE thinks is he's real, which is the truly twisted part) was actually a Blackfyre pretender? In Brienne's chapters in Feast, she comes across an inn in the Riverlands. The inn used to have a sign hanging outside it — a sign shaped like a dragon, painted black. The Blackfyre sigil is a BLACK DRAGON. During the Blackfyre Rebellion, Targ loyalists tore the sign down and it washed away, only to turn up later on the Quiet Isle. Only by this time, the dragon sign had turned red with rust. The Targaryen sigil is a RED DRAGON. Symbolically, what does it mean? A black dragon (Blackfyre) that comes back disguised as a red one (Targaryen). Cool, right?[/QUOTE][/sp]
Jesus christ, that whole idea makes sense and is plausible.
I wish I had the deductive abilities that some people had, that's an awesome series of predictions.
Even more stuff.
[sp]A Dance with Dragons sees the appearance of Aegon Targaryen, supposedly the surviving son of Rhaegar and Elia Martell. The young prince is about the right age and has Targaryen features, so his claim is generally accepted by those who hear it.
There's a reader-theory, though, that Aegon is actually a Blackfyre heir (and probably Illyrio's son) and not a Targaryen. Some evidence for this theory:
The Golden Company, a mercenary group founded by Blackfyre survivors with the express purpose of eventually seating a Blackfyre on the Iron Throne, is supporting Aegon's claim.
Although we're told that the Blackfyre's "male line" has died out, the odd specificity of this statement combined with the physical description of Illyrio's late wife seems to imply that the female line survived.
The backstory of Robert's Rebellion suggests that Varys was feeding King Aerys's paranoia by claiming that Prince Rhaegar was attempting to organize lords to help depose him. This probably played a role in ensuring a violent transition of power, eventually eliminating (almost) the Targaryen line. If Varys is a Targ loyalist, this seems like a pretty bad move; as a Blackfyre supporter, though, his actions make perfect sense.
None of that is new, but yesterday I was rereading A Feast for Crows and found a passage that seems to foreshadow Aegon's appearance in ADwD, specifically supporting the Blackfyre angle. In Brienne 7, Septon Meribald explains the history of "The Old Inn:"
"...He forged a new sign for the yard, a three-headed dragon of black iron that he hung from a wooden post. The beast was so big it had to be made in a dozen pieces, joined with rope and wire. When the wind blew it would clank and clatter, so the inn became known far and wide as the Clanking Dragon."
"Is the dragon sign still there?" asked Podrick.
"No," said Septon Meribald. "When the smith's son was an old man, a bastard son of the fourth Aegon rose up in rebellion against his trueborn brother and took for his sigil a black dragon. These lands belonged to Lord Darry then, and his lordship was fiercely loyal to the king. The sign of the black iron dragon made him wroth, so he cut down the post, hacked the sign to pieces, and cast them into the river. One of the dragon's heads washed up on the Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with rust."
Targaryens use a red dragon as their sigil; a black dragon is the sigil of house Blackfyre. After their defeat, the Blackfyres were diminished in number and forced across the narrow sea ("[he] hacked the [black dragon] to pieces, and cast them into the river"). Could this passage foreshadow the reappearance of a Blackfyre heir ("one of the dragon's heads") on Westeros's Western shore, whom - given the amount of time since Blackfyres were defeated - everyone takes for a Targaryen instead ("by that time it was red with rust")?[/sp]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37873320]Let me quote some one who knows more than I.[/QUOTE]
[sp]In regards to being out in the open though, Varys and Illyrio had Viserys for that. One in the open, and one hidden. Kinda makes the whole thing cluttered, though. What if Viserys had been successful in retaking the Iron throne, what would they do with Aegon?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Chrille;37873798][sp]In regards to being out in the open though, Varys and Illyrio had Viserys for that. One in the open, and one hidden. Kinda makes the whole thing cluttered, though. What if Viserys had been successful in retaking the Iron throne, what would they do with Aegon?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Knowing Varys? Probably come up with a scheme to depose Viserys. Bring Aegon back to the kingdoms, prove his parentage and have Viserys die, strangely. The son of Rhaegar Targaryen, who was in the line of succession before Viserys, would have a strong claim to the throne.[/sp]
I suppose that was pretty straightforward :v:
there is no way that varys isn't a eunch... but it would make sense if he [sp]was part blackfyre. granted he doesn't have the purple eyes, but there's power in kings blood and his balls / dick made demons appear sooo...[/sp]
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also varys making aerys even more paranoid doesn't make him a [sp]blackfyre supporter.[/sp] he probably just realized aerys was batshit and if he really does server the realm as he claims he would realize that rhaegar would make a great king and try to make end aerys reign asap
It proves he is not a [sp]Targ[/sp] though because he pretty much started the entire war.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37874977]It proves he is not a [sp]Targ[/sp] though because he pretty much started the entire war.[/QUOTE]
again, he could've just realized aerys was a shit king targ or no and that rhaegar would've been better
So he tells Aery's that Rhaegar is plotting his doom?
So I work in Whsmith and we just got the new history of the world book in and uh.... Someone familiar wrote a review on the front
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ugh niall ferguson really? he's overrated af seriously did you see that newsweek cover story he did like a month ago?
My ex said she'd seen Jon Snow at the cafe where she used to work once. I was incredibly jealous until I realised she was talking about the Channel 4 news anchor.
The HBO store for Game of Thrones merchandise is fucking awesome.
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I want this shirt, too bad it's 25 dollars and of course this fall has every fucking game sequel you could ever want.
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Haha.
lol hordor shirt
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