A Vegan/Vegetarian Dystopia - General

[QUOTE=bravehat;24368520]What species on earth could challenge us? We have the ability to literally scorch and glass entire continents if we put our mind to it, and you think we would somehow lose our dominance? :lol:[/QUOTE] Basically this. As a species we are so many levels higher than any other that we don't compete. They are like ants to us. We could utterly destroy all life on earth with the press of a few buttons. Our biggest danger is ourselves, so sustainability will help us a lot more than being at the top of the food chain.

If you wanted to buy into the whole vegetarian "don't kill other living things" ideal, scorching and glassing entire continents isn't a viable option. It's hypocrisy. [editline]09:22PM[/editline] and if meat isn't necessary, why don't more people in a muscle based area eat veggie instead? surely it would be easier to prepare.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24368686]If you wanted to buy into the whole vegetarian "don't kill other living things" ideal, scorching and glassing entire continents isn't a viable option. It's hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] No ones buying into that tool, killing all life on earth is kinda fucking stupid for everyone for one reason. No food of ANY kind. No fish No deer No cows No fucking grass Nothing. People kinda need animals and vegetables to live.

i had bacon for breakfast, a burger for lunch and im going to have steak and lobster for dinner. fuck yeah! meat!

I may be a vegetarian, but I draw the line at "vat-grown" meat. It sounds horrible, and will probably have numerous health problems that don't show up until years later. But of course nobody would know about the health issues because of our grand old FDA, who apparently stops all testing and approves foods immediately if no short-term health problems occur.

[QUOTE=42069;24368782]i had bacon for breakfast, a burger for lunch and im going to have steak and lobster for dinner. fuck yeah! meat![/QUOTE] This is an unhealthy way to eat meat, fatty.

[QUOTE=Pilk;24368854]This is an unhealthy way to eat meat, fatty.[/QUOTE] deal with it bitch

[QUOTE=42069;24368864]deal with it bitch[/QUOTE] Omnivores. They're all unhealthy fatties. :colbert:

[QUOTE=Dirf;24368819]I may be a vegetarian, but I draw the line at "vat-grown" meat. It sounds horrible, and will probably have numerous health problems that don't show up until years later. But of course nobody would know about the health issues because of our grand old FDA, who apparently stops all testing and approves foods immediately if no short-term health problems occur.[/QUOTE] It's exactly the same as how an animal grows except instead of veins supplying nutrient rich blood, the cells are directly supplied with what they need because they are suspended in nutrient rich solution. We are currently doing this with organs to some degree, and they are working fine, and do you wanna know why? Because there are no differences between the growing methods at the cellular level!

[QUOTE=Pilk;24368919]Omnivores. They're all unhealthy fatties. :colbert:[/QUOTE] i eat anything that is edible. as long as its food i will eat it. people are starving in africa, it would be an asshole thing to waste food [editline]04:34PM[/editline] i weigh over 9000 pounds

[QUOTE=bravehat;24365972]Crystals grow, they aren't alive. [/QUOTE] I was going to say that.

[QUOTE=bravehat;24368728]No ones buying into that tool, killing all life on earth is kinda fucking stupid for everyone for one reason. No food of ANY kind. No fish No deer No cows No fucking grass Nothing. People kinda need animals and vegetables to live.[/QUOTE] for chrissakes, I wasn't saying actually scorch the earth. What I meant was that if the whole world took on the peaceful no killing of animals mindset that generally comes with ethical vegetarians, we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves. okay here's a scenario. Farmers spend time growing crops for us to eat as opposed to meat. But since we aren't culling rabbits or other pests, they breed ridiculously and eat the crops. Thus our only alternative is to start culling animals, and you're back where you started, only now the animals are dying completely in vain.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24368686]If you wanted to buy into the whole vegetarian "don't kill other living things" ideal, scorching and glassing entire continents isn't a viable option. It's hypocrisy. [editline]09:22PM[/editline] and if meat isn't necessary, why don't more people in a muscle based area eat veggie instead? surely it would be easier to prepare.[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that we won't suddenly lose our dominance if we all stopped eating meat. Our ability to glass and scorch entire continents is proof of our almost godlike power in comparison to even the fiercest predators in the world. There are plenty of other reasons why people in a muscle based area would prefer meat. They could like the taste, they might not prefer to put in extra effort to maintain a vegetarian diet (which isn't much, but some people prefer to be able to eat anything without checking if it violates their dietary restrictions), perhaps they buy into the "vegetarians are pussies" myth, or maybe they do it just because its more commonplace. But unless you can provide some concrete evidence, the claim that vegetarians cannot be stronger than non-vegetarians is entirely based on assumptions. [QUOTE=Pilk;24368854]This is an unhealthy way to eat meat, fatty.[/QUOTE] Relax bro, he'll probably be dead a lot sooner than you.

I am a vegetarian. I poop more than you therefore I am better. I swallow stones to help digest the vegetation I eat. But in all seriousness lets drop this ridiculous subject. Its ridiculous. Also our farts are better.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24369090] okay here's a scenario. Farmers spend time growing crops for us to eat as opposed to meat. But since we aren't culling rabbits or other pests, they breed ridiculously and eat the crops. Thus our only alternative is to start culling animals, and you're back where you started, only now the animals are dying completely in vain.[/QUOTE] We'll probably just grow a lot more crops. After all, growing crops takes around 10% of the energy required to produce a nutritiously equivalent amount of meat. Or we could introduce predators to cull the rabbit population, unless nature itself takes care of that. I don't think we'd have much of a problem.

i bought some beef jerky just to read this thread

As a life long vegetarian I only avoid meat because that's just how I am, no ethical reasons, no dietary requirements (although after this long I don't imagine my body readily accepting meat) it's just purely what I do. Thus I'd avoid artificial meat. regardless of it's source it's still meat and it's still a substance I don't want to consume.

[QUOTE=TheMar;24369204]We'll probably just grow a lot more crops. After all, growing crops takes around 10% of the energy required to produce a nutritiously equivalent amount of meat. Or we could introduce predators to cull the rabbit population, unless nature itself takes care of that. I don't think we'd have much of a problem.[/QUOTE] wait, so you have a go at me for only providing anecdotal evidence, when you've literally just said "we'll probably be fine" We cull animals for a reason, rabbits reproduce like, well, rabbits. Thats why we breed animals specifically to hunt them (terriers). We are forced to keep a cap on the pest population ourselves. Introducing rabbit predators (Wolves, foxes) would just make life a lot harder. And I'd like you to tell the farmers that they should just "grow more crops"

Artificial meat is best meat. I mean really nature hasn't built meat specifically to cater to us. It's up to us to engineer it so that it fits into our diet more economically, nutritionally, environmentally, and cruelty-free. Don't be scared of it because it's not natural. Vaccines are artificial and they save millions of lives. So do countless synthetic drugs. Synthetic pesticides are cleaner and healthier than natural pesticides.

the natural predators of Rabbits are all bigger nuisances than the rabbits themselves.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24369348]wait, so you have a go at me for only providing anecdotal evidence, when you've literally just said "we'll probably be fine" We cull animals for a reason, rabbits reproduce like, well, rabbits. Thats why we breed animals specifically to hunt them (terriers). We are forced to keep a cap on the pest population ourselves. Introducing rabbit predators (Wolves, foxes) would just make life a lot harder. And I'd like you to tell the farmers that they should just "grow more crops"[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that your scenario is unrealistic. Eating meat will not solve the problem. FYI in the United States, the government pays farmers to destroy crops. We've got plenty of food bro.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24369348]wait, so you have a go at me for only providing anecdotal evidence, when you've literally just said "we'll probably be fine" We cull animals for a reason, rabbits reproduce like, well, rabbits. Thats why we breed animals specifically to hunt them (terriers). We are forced to keep a cap on the pest population ourselves. Introducing rabbit predators (Wolves, foxes) would just make life a lot harder. And I'd like you to tell the farmers that they should just "grow more crops"[/QUOTE] Actually wolves and foxes could be taught to fear humans quite easily, and the foxes around here are rarely even seen never mind near people. Introduce a predator and it can promote biodiversity anyway, so it's a win win to re introduce old predators.

[QUOTE=bravehat;24369485]Actually wolves and foxes could be taught to fear humans quite easily, and the foxes around here are rarely even seen never mind near people. Introduce a predator and it can promote biodiversity anyway, so it's a win win to re introduce old predators.[/QUOTE] The foxes where I live eat out of our bins, attack small children, and scream throughout the night. A lot of the time I want to hunt down those foxes and kill them myself, I can't bear the thought of introducing them in droves [editline]09:58PM[/editline] and I'm so happy that "in the US" but in Englad our farming community suffers from blights terribly, I don't think I can ask these farmers who are having to sell their prize cattle to stay afloat to just "man up" [editline]10:04PM[/editline] Right I'm out, I didn't come in here for a discussion about this shit. My argument has been corrupted and it ain't even worth it anymore

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24369536]The foxes where I live eat out of our bins, attack small children, and scream throughout the night. A lot of the time I want to hunt down those foxes and kill them myself, I can't bear the thought of introducing them in droves and I'm so happy that "in the US" but in Englad our farming community suffers from blights terribly, I don't think I can ask these farmers who are having to sell their prize cattle to stay afloat to just "man up" Right I'm out, I didn't come in here for a discussion about this shit. My argument has been corrupted and it ain't even worth it anymore[/QUOTE] Guess I'll ask how your fox problem is directly caused by vegetarianism. Also reduction in demand for meat shouldn't spell doom for the farmers. I don't know much about the farming situation in England but they'll undoubtedly have options. Less cattle -> less feed requirements -> more land for growing human food and less cattle-related pollution. Something like that. Why would you even criticize vegetarianism in a vegetarian thread if you didn't even mean to start a discussion. That's troll shit.

I have no problem with eating any kind of meat, but I am sick of these factory farms where the animals live in filth for their entire lives. Hunting and open-range ranching are much more ethical and less likely to breed disease. Vat food would probably be okay.

I wouldn't eat it, the whole reason I became a vegetarian is because I find meat repulsive and the slaughter of animals wrong. Taking a bite out of something such as that would make me feel bad, even though it didn't come from an animal.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;24369090]for chrissakes, I wasn't saying actually scorch the earth. What I meant was that if the whole world took on the peaceful no killing of animals mindset that generally comes with ethical vegetarians, we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves. okay here's a scenario. Farmers spend time growing crops for us to eat as opposed to meat. But since we aren't culling rabbits or other pests, they breed ridiculously and eat the crops. Thus our only alternative is to start culling animals, and you're back where you started, only now the animals are dying completely in vain.[/QUOTE] What has this got to do with vegetarianism.

My sister used to be vegetarian, would have been vegan if it weren't for cheese (she didn't give a shit which she was though, she just never drank milk or ate eggs). Since she applied to the Arts Institute in Austin she's grown out of it though, shared a philly cheese steak from subway with her a few weeks ago. She now realizes how batshit insane most militant vegetarians are.

I hate Vegans and there psychic powers.

Food is food.