Why do people hate techno?

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=yoyojumpy;17423114]The reason I do not like techno, is that there is no emotion or meaning in the creation of the song, or the song itself.
The process by which you would make a song with a guitar, is completely different than making a song on a machine, there isn't any emotion or feeling put into creating techno songs at any deep level. The song On The Run, even though it was made entirely on a synth, is still completely different as far as meaning-wise from any techno song, there's a level of emotion put into it not found in techno.
If this doesn't make sense to you, then I'm not going to try explaining it, because it isn't something you can understand without experiencing it firsthand.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to Combichrist, Icon of Coil, Psyclon Nine, Aphex Twin, or :wumpscut:

[Tezza1234]

[QUOTE=trogdor6666;17397906]
Then again, you have to learn the software, maintain computers, and figure out hardware.
Just as you take years learning the drums, you take years to become computer savvy.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe back in 1993 when everything was incompatible with everything else, but it's 2009 now and computers are shit easy to use and maintain.
I know this because a select few of my class mates who are complete numbskulls can even handle a massive pro tools setup on a mac G5 without issue.

Playing an instrument is much MUCH harder than doing the same on a computer. I mean some idiot can just go into fruity loops, pick a random synth and set up the arpegiator and then half of the creative spark has been done for you... (I am going to call people like this "Brute force musicians", They just keep hitting buttons till something sounds right with no clear line of thought)

The whole "There is no emotion" argument is bollocks, Properly written computer-written music is not emotionless. Properly written computer music is deep because they know how to respect the quantize function, not rape it.

Must be noted:
I do not bash computers as a tool in music, That's fucking closed minded.
How music was created does not affect my enjoyment of music.

But, If it sounds good who-the-fuck cares what made the sounds and by what means?

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And jesus christ people stop saying "It's not music" just because you don't like it.

I don't like your house, I think I'll call it a shed.

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Also I have [b]no[/b] Techno In my music library at all.

[KorJax]

[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;17420703]because most techno people are explsed to is shitty trance dancepop that is the same four notes repeated with poor vocals

when i say techno post people think of poor dance remixes, not real techno like LCD soundsystem, daft punk, justice, etc.[/QUOTE]

What? Daft Punk is almost entirely "same 4 notes". I mean I like some of thier music but Daft Punk is pretty much the PRIME defintion of the most god-aweful repetative electronica/house music there is. I don't even want to consider it real techno because the music isn't made to be mixable by a dance DJ which is "the entire point" of the genre (I personally just listen to it for the melodies).

I just feel they are one of the more over-rated/mainstream "techno" group out there. I like some of thier music plenty, but a lot of the music on their later albums is abosolute shit and totally repetitive. Much like Apple it's more about their brand/style than about what they actually make. Atleast, that's the impression they give off.

[limulus54]

[QUOTE=KorJax;17423656]What? Daft Punk is almost entirely "same 4 notes". I mean I like some of thier music but Daft Punk is pretty much the PRIME defintion of the most god-aweful repetative electronica/house music there is. I don't even want to consider it real techno because the music isn't made to be mixable by a dance DJ which is "the entire point" of the genre (I personally just listen to it for the melodies).

I just feel they are one of the more over-rated/mainstream "techno" group out there. I like some of thier music plenty, but a lot of the music on their later albums is abosolute shit and totally repetitive. Much like Apple it's more about their brand/style than about what they actually make. Atleast, that's the impression they give off.[/QUOTE]

while in some ways I agree, I have to ask, do you hear that low rumble in the distance? thats the incoming shitstorm of daft punk fans.

[Evil Potato]

Drop your cerebral trousers, I'm about to blow your mind.

[hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ICcz6kXP0&feature=[/hd]

[pie_is_good]

Screw Daft Punk. Kraftwerk can act like robots without the use of silly costumes.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ[/media]

[thisispain]

awwww yeah

[KorJax]

[QUOTE=limulus54;17423218]so you're essentially telling thousands (millions?) of people that they do not create art because they don't use an instrument?

I have seen much deeper emotion in some electronic music than any other.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. That's the whole reason I listen to "techno" music. To me, the umbrella-genre for electronically produced/influenced music is like a 21st century modern take on classical, especailly when you listen to a REALLY good DJ mix that lasts about 1+ hour or so of pure synthesized bliss.

For me, true music is music that makes me feel an emotion outside of lyrical content, and to me no genre does that better than electronic music does.

That said I've heard some really powerful music from plenty of other genre's. None of them were people/groups you would hear on the radio, mind you.

Such as, Sound Tribe Sector 9:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEYXKwLHPl4[/media]

I mean jesus christ, you can just feel the intensity as play live (it starts off slow but it really ramps up after the half way point). That's one of those songs that gives me some pretty good goosebumps when I listen to it.

On the other hand, electronic music gives me the same sense of awe/goosebumps often as well, but in a different sort of way. While the live music above has emotion that is mostly generated from the passion of the people playing on stage and the great (improvised?) music they play, EDM stems from the "story" the song tells and how it makes you feel in your mind through pure synthesized music (either making you want to dance, chill, remember a good moment, feel like a bad ass, feel angry, etc).

Here's an example of one of my favorite "techno" songs (if you can't tell I am a HUGE sucker for the piano):

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jApqqxJ7Y[/media]

That song's just as powerful to me as the first one I posted, though in a different way. And again, it has a slow buildup (like most techno music, done in order to make it mixable for a DJ) :v:

[MR-X]

I think what pisses me off more then anything is people use Techno as a umbrella term (Which it is) but judge EVERYTHING because of one song or album.
We know there is a lot of shitty techno out there, that is not different then any other genre. Everyone has music that makes a genre look bad.
What makes things worst people say techno is "cheap music" what the fuck is cheap music? I listen to all types of music ranging from Techno, Rap, Drum and Base, Rock, Metal, Hip-hop, Classical, Pop, ect. My music library is fucking huge. Almost 50 GB's of music and that doesn't include all the CD's i own too. I've experienced music from all genres that are fucking horrid to awesome.
Just because you don't like a certain genre of music doesn't make it cheap, shitty, or bad. If you don't like it you don't like it, it isn't your style of music. We get it, but don't come in here saying "lol it is cheap music, is isn't real, no artistic talent, ect" Because you're being a ignorant fuck. If you actually take the time to listen to different types of music you will realize how different all the techno genres are.

[Doriol]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17423465]Tell that to Combichrist, Icon of Coil, Psyclon Nine, Aphex Twin, or :wumpscut:[/QUOTE]

Or Autechre,Boards Of Canada, Clark, Moderat, Phoenecia, Stendeck, etc.

[quote]What? Daft Punk is almost entirely "same 4 notes". I mean I like some of thier music but Daft Punk is pretty much the PRIME defintion of the most god-aweful repetative electronica/house music there is. I don't even want to consider it real techno because the music isn't made to be mixable by a dance DJ which is "the entire point" of the genre (I personally just listen to it for the melodies).
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Daft Punk is house, not "techno."

And I don't know why you care if they're mainstream. That shouldn't throw you off unless you're a hipster.

[greenbandit]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tatccHVfuhA[/media]
Aphex twin, is so awesome.

[JimmeyTheSaint]

I like some techno, it's usually the lack of vocals. I really enjoy electro music though, or music that's reminisent of techno + vocals.

[Penguin-Man]

fuck that gummy bear

[MR-X]

Here is a list of techno music genres.

* Ambient
o Ambient house
o Ambient techno
o Dark ambient
o Drone music
o Psybient
o Space music
o Italo house

* Breakbeat
o Baltimore Club
o Big beat
o Broken beat
o Florida breaks
o Hip hop
o Nu skool breaks
o Progressive breaks

* Disco
o Cosmic disco
o Eurobeat
o Eurodance
o Euro disco
o Hi-NRG
o Hip hop
o Italo dance
o Italo disco
o Nu-disco
o Spacesynth

* Downtempo
o Acid jazz
o Balearic Beat
o Chill out
o Ethnic electronica
o Glitch
o Illbient
o Minimal Electronica
o New Age music
o Nu jazz
o Trip hop

* Electronic music
o Berlin School
o Electroacoustic

* Electro
o Electro-hop
o Electro backbeat
o Freestyle music
o Techno bass

* Electronica
o Electropop
o Folktronica
o Glitch
o IDM
o Nu Jazz
o Post-disco
o Trip hop

* (UK) Garage (UKG)
o 2-step
o 4x4
o Bassline
o Breakstep
o Dubstep
o Funky
o Grime
o Speed garage

* Hardcore/Hard dance
o Bouncy techno
o Breakbeat Hardcore
o Breakcore
o Darkcore
o Digital hardcore
o Doomcore
o Freeform
o Gabber
o Happy hardcore
o Hardstyle
o Jumpstyle
o Makina
o Noisecore
o Speedcore
o Terrorcore
o UK Hardcore

* House
o Acid house
o Bubblegum dance
o Chicago house
o Dark house
o Deep house
o Disco house
o Electro house
o Fidget house
o French house
o Freestyle house
o US garage
o Ghetto house
o UK Hard house
o Hard NRG
o Hi-NRG
o Hip house
o Italo house
o Kwaito
o Latin house
o Merenhouse
o Minimal house/Microhouse
o Progressive house
o Scouse house
o Electronica
o Tribal house
o Tech house

* Hi-NRG
o Eurobeat
o Eurodance
o Hard NRG
o Italo Disco
o Nu-NRG
o New Beat
o Techno

* Industrial
o Aggrotech
o Ambient industrial
o Cybergrind
o Dark ambient
o Dark electro
o Death industrial
o Electronic body music
o Electro-industrial

* Industrial (part 2)
o Industrial DnB
o Industrial metal
o Industrial rock
o Industrial techno
o Japanoise
o Martial industrial
o Neofolk
o Noise
o Power noise

* Jungle/Drum and bass
o Clownstep
o Darkcore
o Darkstep
o Drumfunk
o Hardstep
o Intelligent drum and bass
o Jump-Up
o Liquid funk
o Neurofunk
o Raggacore
o Sambass
o Techstep
o Trancestep

* Rock/Punk influenced electronic music
o Alternative dance
o Cyber metal
o Dance-punk
o Dark Wave
o Digital hardcore
o Electroclash
o Electro rock
o Electropunk
o Ethereal Wave
o Industrial rock
o Industrial metal
o New Rave
o New Wave
o Synthpop
o Progressive rock
o Synthpunk

* Techno
o Acid techno
o Detroit techno
o Free tekno
o Ghettotech
o IDM
o Jtek
o Minimal
o New beat
o Nortec
o Schranz / Hardtechno
o Tech house
o Tech trance
o Techno-DNB
o Techstep
o Trance
o Wonky techno
o Yorkshire Techno

* Trance
o Acid trance
o Ambient trance
o Classic trance
o Dream trance
o Euro-trance
o Hard trance
o Hardstyle
o Nu-NRG
o Progressive trance
o Tech trance
o Uplifting trance
o Vocal trance

* Post-disco
o Alternative Dance
o Boogie
o Club/Dance
o Chicago house
o Dance-pop
o Dance-rock
o Electro
o Electro-grime
o Grime
o House
o Italo Disco
o Techno

* Psychedelic trance/Goa trance
o Dark psy
o Full on
o Nitzhonot
+ Uplifting
o Psyprog
o Psybient
o Psybreaks
o South African psytrance
o Suomisaundi

* Nu rave
o Hardcore breaks
o Rave breaks
o Jungle techno

* Chiptune
o 8-bit
o Bitpop
o Demoscene music
o Nintendocore
o Picopop
o Game Boy music
o Gamewave

* Oldschool jungle
o Drum and bass
o Ragga-jungle
o Intelligent jungle
o Darkside jungle

* Other Derivatives
o Europop
o Euro-Trance
o Happy Hardcore
o Bubblegum Dance

I'm sure they're are way more too. Each genre is unique, they don't sound the same at all. And if you actually took the time to listen you could hear the difference.
I think one thing that makes techno look bad are the kids that drive in their cars and play the ridiculously loud music with the base up so loud it blows out their own ear drums. I didn't make this list, I'm just reposting it. Got it off another site.

[Doriol]

Techno is a horrible blanklet term.

It's like calling every band that uses a guitar, rock.

[Xyrofen]

[QUOTE=JimmeyTheSaint;17424546]I like some techno, it's usually the lack of vocals. I really enjoy electro music though, or music that's reminisent of techno + vocals.[/QUOTE]

Your avatar is Crystal Castles. Whoops.

A lot of people have only heard mainstream electronic and that's such a huge shame. If only people like Autechre, Boards of Canada, AFX, Venetian Snares, The Flashbulb, and Coil or something were more mainstream. Some electronic musicians are just pure sound engineers that push the entire limit to what can even be defined music without just being sound (Richard Devine came to mind, but he's great too).

Venetian Snares, if anything, is generally in 7/4 times. He has a lot of crazy stuff that's in ridiculous signatures, like his stuff on Songs About My Cats and Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding.

I almost really hate telling people I like electronic music because they instantly think I just listen to stuff laced with synth and only synth with generic 808 stuff to put a beat to it. If I tell them I like drum stuff, they think I like DnB with the whole drum break for 5 damn minutes. So I basically just tell people that I listen to mechanical electronic music or machine music so they aren't like "omg u liek tiesto?", but maybe I'm just an elitist to my genres that I prefer.

The day someone knows what my sweatshirt is is the day that I get extremely happy (it's the cover of Vsnares' "Filth"). Sorry for rambling idiotically.

Prior to post edit: Everyone that has ever heard anything electronic and liked it should listen to Kraftwerk, just to appreciate the roots of electronic music.

Post-posting edit:
[QUOTE=Doriol;17424825]Techno is a horrible blanklet term.

It's like calling every band that uses a guitar, rock.[/QUOTE]

I entirely agree, except I'm guilty of calling some music that isn't rock "rock". I generally just refer to it as "guitar music with a(n) _____ sound that makes it sound like ____" if I really have no clue what specific genre it is.

Hearing someone say "YOU LIKE TECHNO I LOVE *mainstream electronic guy here*" always makes me mentally cringe. I will admit I do love me some Daft Punk though. They're really what got me into electronic to begin with (AFX kept me in, Autechre and Venetian Snares made me look further and entranced me, and then it keeps going), so saying I hate them would be fickle, a lie, and just stuck-up of me. Most the stuff off of Discovery and Homework is still catchy to me after all these years anyway.

[b]More delicious editing[/b] (not that delicious, sorry): Mr-X made a good post, albeit probably copy/paste, it's still incredibly [i]informative[/i] and [i]useful[/i] (it really is though).

[Upgrade123]

I'm a metalhead/rocker/prog dork/slight emofag, yet I've dabbled with techno before. I actually like a lot of it, especially Justice.

[Daltacentauri]

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;17426063]I'm a metalhead/rocker/prog dork/slight emofag, yet I've dabbled with techno before. I actually like a lot of it, especially Justice.[/QUOTE]

DVNO, 4 capital letters, painted in gold!
:D

[MrJazzy]

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;17416869]Why isn't it real? No seriously, tell us. How does making the music differ from making any kind of other music?[/QUOTE]
As ppl has said before, it's much easier to create something out of a computer, than to actually play an instrument. You're on the comp in some program mixing up some nice sound, into a cool song [B]or[/B] you could be somewhere with your band jamming, talking, and find stuff that sounds nice, and mix it up into a cool song.

[pie_is_good]

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;17429236]As ppl has said before, it's much easier to create something out of a computer, than to actually play an instrument. You're on the comp in some program mixing up some nice sound, into a cool song [B]or[/B] you could be somewhere with your band jamming, talking, and find stuff that sounds nice, and mix it up into a cool song.[/QUOTE]

It can work the other way around too. You can just learn 3 chords and put crappy lyrics over it, or you can spend a lot of time learning how to use a complex program to make a crappy beat.

[Xmeagol]

People hate techno/trance because they are incapable of processing sounds over 60bpm, they are weak, they must be annihilated.

[Re-Con]

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;17429334]People hate techno/trance because they are incapable of processing sounds over 60bpm, they are weak, they must be annihilated.[/QUOTE]

damn right

140 to 180 BPM for life

[Rad McCool]

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;17429334]People hate techno/trance because they are incapable of processing sounds over 60bpm, they are weak, they must be annihilated.[/QUOTE]
Meh, doesn't most electronic music have the same bpm as your ordinary rock/pop song?

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[QUOTE=MrJazzy;17429236]As ppl has said before, [B]it's much easier to create something out of a computer, than to actually play an instrument.[/B] You're on the comp in some program mixing up some nice sound, into a cool song [B]or[/B] you could be somewhere with your band jamming, talking, and find stuff that sounds nice, and mix it up into a cool song.[/QUOTE]
That's a stupid reason. With the same logic, singing shouldn't be considered music because I can just sing something random right now. It's much easier than creating a song through a computer. Personally I think it's much easier to write music via real instruments than by just sitting at the computer. And I do both from time to time.

[Daltacentauri]

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;17429886]Meh, doesn't most electronic music have the same bpm as your ordinary rock/pop song?

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That's a stupid reason. With the same logic, singing shouldn't be considered music because I can just sing something random right now. It's much easier than creating a song through a computer. Personally I think it's much easier to write music via real instruments than by just sitting at the computer. And I do both from time to time.[/QUOTE]

Its only hard if your making a loop/sound/music/etc from scratch.

[MrJazzy]

[QUOTE=pie_is_good;17429259]It can work the other way around too. You can just learn 3 chords and put crappy lyrics over it, or you can spend a lot of time learning how to use a complex program to make a crappy beat.[/QUOTE]

Exacly, 3 chords wit crappy lyrics sucks too.

[KorJax]

[QUOTE=Daltacentauri;17430119]Its only hard if your making a loop/sound/music/etc from scratch.[/QUOTE]

Which is what the production of most electronic music that's worth listening to involves.

Electronica music for me is about exploring the sound, exploring what music is, and then coming up with a song that resonates inside your brain and makes you want to dance, move, remember, feel, etc. The best way to experience EDM for the first time would be to listen to a really great DJ mix from a DJ that knows what he's doing.

My favorite genres of electronically produced music in order of most listened to involve trance, chillout, future synthpop, and a little bit of house/electro. I generally can listen to every genre though, those are just the ones that I listen to the most.

[DarkSin]

I like some [b]electronic[/b] music, but most [b]techno[/b] is one step away from hip-hop.

[Shibbey]

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;17430136]Exacly, 3 chords wit crappy lyrics sucks too.[/QUOTE]

I will say that writing takes roughly the same amount of talent, put actually pulling off some things musicians do is extremely difficult, however with electronic programs I can make music lightyears faster.

[booster]

Qlimax ( the huge party ) got me into techno. I've listened to mostly hardstyle since then. i love the shit.

[MR-X]

Also to add, some people play real instruments and record/sample them and then do the editing to make it more "techno"

Hell they even do it live and create the music right there in front of you.

Perfect example would be Drum 'n' Bass,

Meet KJ Sawka..

Playing live.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkO0bL9gS58[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-VSKYg72pI[/media]
And him playing just the drums.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh0aF3h455Y[/media]

So you can take your "Lol they don't use real instruments, or have talent" theory and shove it up your ass.
Most artist sample music or take real instruments and mix them in to their music.
They do the same with vocals.