everything wrong with the avengers - General

[QUOTE=fantafuzz;38905003]The most idiotic thing about the movie, and really the worst one, was how the hulk could apparently control his rage and shit, after almost killing everyone on the carrier because he couldnt control his rage.[/QUOTE] But it's not the same. The first time he just lost control, and the second time he did it voluntarily. It's like taking a piss. The first time, he couldn't hold it and just went in his pants, his pants being the Helicarrier. The second time, he had time to properly unzip and aim himself, so he could unleash his torrent of piss on the Chitauri.

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;38900696]I found it hilarious when Captain America tips Nick Fury with a $10.[/QUOTE] This is the longest it's ever taken me to get a joke; that was the result of "Ten bucks you're wrong."

[QUOTE=fantafuzz;38905003]The most idiotic thing about the movie, and really the worst one, was how the hulk could apparently control his rage and shit, after almost killing everyone on the carrier because he couldnt control his rage.[/QUOTE] He can control himself as the Hulk when he willingly becomes the Hulk, if it's out of his control he is out of control. I am pretty the last shot of The Incredible Hulk pretty much tells you he can control it now.

Anyway, almost all of people's qualms with the movie are explainable in one sentence and make sense. It's the same as Prometheus, people see a big, high-budget movie and try to find as many ways as possible to fault it, then won't listen to people's explanations. Everyone's just trying as hard as they can to be disappointed.

Pretty much the same way people are with The Dark Knight Rises. They feel the need to nitpick it to hell for some reason.

[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;38900696]I found it hilarious when Captain America tips Nick Fury with a $10.[/QUOTE] dat's racist.

The mind control doesn't work on Stark because he has the thing in his chest that stops pieces of metal from reaching his heart and killing him. If I remember correctly from Iron Man.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38903676]actually if someone put it down wouldn't it just float in the air? no one can move it so that means not even gravity can move it. but that would mean it would appear to fly off into space since we are moving at thousands of miles per second through the universe.[/QUOTE] It's strange like that. I remember in the Thor movie, Thor just puts the hammer gently on Loki's chest. It doesn't crush him, it's just magically kind of glued there. Loki wasn't being crushed by it, but he was still unable to move it, effectively pinning him down. [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38903676] same with the hulk suddenly being able to control himself with some vague explanation of him "always being angry"[/QUOTE] It's like one of those word games. Banner becomes the Hulk when he becomes angry. So, if he's always angry all the time, he can never become angry, hence never turning into the hulk unless he wants to. Kind of silly when you think about it. The other time he turns, his body is in physical danger with the explosion and the floor collapsing, so he couldn't control it. In the previous scene, he explains how when some life threatening harm comes on to him, such as trying to shoot himself in the head, the Hulk automatically takes over and he can't control it. (I still maintain that scene when he transformed at will made the whole fucking movie for me.) [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;38905655]He can control himself as the Hulk when he willingly becomes the Hulk, if it's out of his control he is out of control. I am pretty the last shot of The Incredible Hulk pretty much tells you he can control it now.[/QUOTE] My biggest complaint with this movie is that a lot of characters and plot elements are explained in more detail in the other Marvel superhero movies. I had never seen those movies when I first saw The Avengers and the movie lost a lot of impact for me. For example, I had no idea who Phil Coulson was, but he appears in nearly every single Superhero movie as semi important character, especially in later ones like Thor and Iron Man 2. If I had seen those movies, his death might have impacted me more When he actually died all I could think was "Oh no, that random dude died. Why should I care?" The Tesseract is also a major plot device in Captain America, but they still don't really explain it there either. Oh, and in the Thor movie, they destroy the bridge from Asgard to Earth and other worlds, and it's explained that Thor could never, ever come back. How the fuck did he come back? [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=zzzz;38900304]heh I guess it was satire. I didn't find it very funny [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] but still, half of these are legitimate complaints and half of them are stupid like, for example "there is no gravity in space" what also, I don't think the idea of the scepter not working on tony stark is because it's not in the center of his chest, I think it's because of the arc reactor in his chest...[/QUOTE] He meant that if he used the scepter in any location other than the center of his chest, it might have worked. Though if I was Loki and I had no idea how Stark's technology worked, I would have assume he was completely immune too. And the "No gravity in space," thing I explain that as if light and matter could go through the portal, why can't gravity? I'll stop now.

I liked it. It wasn't a masterpiece but I can't imagine it doing "what it was supposed to do" any other way.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;38905678]Pretty much the same way people are with The Dark Knight Rises. They feel the need to nitpick it to hell for some reason.[/QUOTE] The Dark Knight Rises was a hell of a lot more flawed than Avengers. IMO Avengers accomplished its goal better than TDKR did.

[quote]Oh, and in the Thor movie, they destroy the bridge from Asgard to Earth and other worlds, and it's explained that Thor could never, ever come back. How the fuck did he come back? [/quote] He used the Tesseract to return to Asgard. The Red Skull does the same thing in Captain America - that is, he teleports away using the Tesseract. It's never made clear where exactly he went.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;38907006]He used the Tesseract to return to Asgard. The Red Skull does the same thing in Captain America - that is, he teleports away using the Tesseract. It's never made clear where exactly he went.[/QUOTE] No, he's talking about how Thor made it from Asgard to Earth, not how he went back to Asgard at the end of the movie.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;38906693]The Dark Knight Rises was a hell of a lot more flawed than Avengers. IMO Avengers accomplished its goal better than TDKR did.[/QUOTE] if the goal was to make rdjr steal the show and put everyone else to shame then yeah it did a better job since he wasnt in tdkr.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38907231]if the goal was to make rdjr steal the show and put everyone else to shame then yeah it did a better job since he wasnt in tdkr.[/QUOTE] Uh, what? First of all, the other actors were fantastic. Second of all, I meant that The Avengers did its job as a fun superhero adventure better than The Dark Knight rises did at its own job as a gritty epic drama.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;38907941]Uh, what? First of all, the other actors were fantastic. Second of all, I meant that The Avengers did its job as a fun superhero adventure better than The Dark Knight rises did at its own job as a gritty epic drama.[/QUOTE] i understand what you meant

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;38908157]i understand what you meant[/QUOTE] Okay.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38906271] My biggest complaint with this movie is that a lot of characters and plot elements are explained in more detail in the other Marvel superhero movies. I had never seen those movies when I first saw The Avengers and the movie lost a lot of impact for me. For example, I had no idea who Phil Coulson was, but he appears in nearly every single Superhero movie as semi important character, especially in later ones like Thor and Iron Man 2. If I had seen those movies, his death might have impacted me more When he actually died all I could think was "Oh no, that random dude died. Why should I care?" The Tesseract is also a major plot device in Captain America, but they still don't really explain it there either. [/quote] So your biggest complaint is that you watched a movie without watching the rest of the series first? That is like complaining about LotR: Return of the King because you didn't watch the other two and don't understand what the all the fuss with the ring was about. You can't blame the film for that, it's your own fault.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;38909513]So your biggest complaint is that you watched a movie without watching the rest of the series first? That is like complaining about LotR: Return of the King because you didn't watch the other two and don't understand what the all the fuss with the ring was about. You can't blame the film for that, it's your own fault.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, though. For LotR, you already know that it's a trilogy. Everybody did. They advertised it as such. For the Avengers, I had no idea that it was meant to be watched as a follow up to the movies and I doubt that the entire audience realized that as well. They probably wanted to avoid that so that it could be more marketable, so that people wouldn't sit it out by saying "Well, I haven't seen the other movies so I'll feel left out." They wanted to make more money, and by appealing to a larger audience like they did they made of the most financially successful films of all time. If it [I]was[/I] meant to be watched as a series, then the marketing team did an [I]extremely[/I] poor job at presenting that. [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] Though I must admit that I'm glad I saw Avengers first because most of those movies were really bad in my opinion. I never would have watched The Avengers if I had seen the Hulk first or Thor first. [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] I haven't seen a movie worse than Hulk in a long time and I was fucking shitfaced when I saw it so they really have no excuses.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;38907077]No, he's talking about how Thor made it from Asgard to Earth, not how he went back to Asgard at the end of the movie.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it explained in the move that Odin sent him to Earth somehow?

IRON MAN POOPING.

[QUOTE=Aleister;38911186]Wasn't it explained in the move that Odin sent him to Earth somehow?[/QUOTE] How though? "Somehow" isn't actually any better an explanation than no explanation.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;38906693]The Dark Knight Rises was a hell of a lot more flawed than Avengers. IMO Avengers accomplished its goal better than TDKR did.[/QUOTE] LOL good one. Mediocre superhero movie from a series where only the first Iron Man was an actually good film vs. the only superhero films that people will take seriously two decades from now.

[QUOTE=Geikkamir;38913302]How though? "Somehow" isn't actually any better an explanation than no explanation.[/QUOTE] iirc Loki said something or other about Odin using tons of dark matter to get Thor to Earth, so I would assume that they have some alternative to the space-bridge-thing, it's just expensive as fuck.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38911028]That's the thing, though. For LotR, you already know that it's a trilogy. Everybody did. They advertised it as such. For the Avengers, I had no idea that it was meant to be watched as a follow up to the movies and I doubt that the entire audience realized that as well. They probably wanted to avoid that so that it could be more marketable, so that people wouldn't sit it out by saying "Well, I haven't seen the other movies so I'll feel left out." They wanted to make more money, and by appealing to a larger audience like they did they made of the most financially successful films of all time. If it [I]was[/I] meant to be watched as a series, then the marketing team did an [I]extremely[/I] poor job at presenting that. [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] Though I must admit that I'm glad I saw Avengers first because most of those movies were really bad in my opinion. I never would have watched The Avengers if I had seen the Hulk first or Thor first. [editline]20th December 2012[/editline] I haven't seen a movie worse than Hulk in a long time and I was fucking shitfaced when I saw it so they really have no excuses.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't need to. It has the same cast and characters as all of the movies except for the Hulk, it was pretty damn obvious its a sequel. If they had spent ages explaining everything that had already been explained in the previous films it would just waste a load of time telling people stuff that they should already know.

The only thing i'm not sure about is why the fuck tony stark can not remove those shrapnel things from his chest