Guns have taken away all the honor and nobility of war
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People have been repeating the same things throughout the entire thread.
But still, I agree with them, war is always a shitty thing. You could say that it has less dramatic capabilities in literature, but you'd be wrong still (examples: Full Metal Jacket, Generation Kill, The Hurt Locker)
[QUOTE=Melnek;21922636]Great job calling people idiots for risking their lives because they didn't really have a choice.
Most of you may not know this but a good percentage of the men that fought in WW2 only fought there for their families back home, not for politicians or their country.
Plus war improves our technology, it teaches us to appreciate life. Now-a-days if you put a bunch of teenagers in a war zone they won't last a day "omg this is bullshit i want my ipod". In WW2, EIGHT year old children had to scavenge for food and other shit to support their sick family members, they adapated to war in an amazing rate.
The only ones that actually fought for their country and its resources as well as their families are said politicians and high ranked officers.
Also, you can never truly judge a war and it's reasoning until you've actually experienced it. No website or book/diary can really describe how war is like. I'm not saying war is a good thing, but nor am I saying that it's a bad thing. It had it's major flaws but it also has its minor qualities and benefits.[/QUOTE]
You're full of shit, you're ignoring human instinct. If you put teenagers into a war zone, they will most likely either cower in fear, cry, feel lost or give up hope. No matter the person, if they're in a war zone they will react very strongly to it, and not just whine about their ipods.
The thing is that Medieval warfare was much less romantic than you think, it was mainly a gory mess of poorly equipped peasants slashing, hacking, bashing, stabbing, and arrowing each other to death. Nations might have hired men-at-arms to support their armies or even to fight as their front lines, they were professional soldiers whose wealth and status were based around warfare. Some men-at-arms did become knights, but they were much more likely to go by as mercenaries.
Medieval battles usually ended up in mass hand-to-hand combat, a foot soldier was usually armed with a pole weapon (spear, pike, halberd, poleaxe, ect.).
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This picture depicts a battle between Swiss and Landsknecht pikemen during the Italian Wars of 1494, none of them were knights.
Guns aren't dishonorable at all. All that's happened is swords have become all the more badass.
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We're in a war that's based upon stealing oil from other countries. There's no honor among thieves
[QUOTE=Theo213;21927669]There's still some honor in war if you look in the right places.[/QUOTE]
And there Will be plenty of new places to look just like that hole you just put through a guys head!
War was never noble. War is shit. The loss is bigger than the gain.
[QUOTE=dark0nex;21921019]Everyone pretty much said it here, nothing great about war. Not then, not now, not ever.
In any army you're somewhat brainwashed into becoming a killing machine. They make you think what your doing is good for whatever reason. Someone can tell you killing someone with a sword is more noble but in the end their is nothing glorious about it.
Best example that comes to mind for me is the crusades. You can't tell me it's "respectable" via Honor or whatnot
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You can't deny that there was something romantic about the crusades.
[QUOTE=woodlander;21929731]You can't deny that there was something romantic about the crusades.[/QUOTE]
Romantic in what sense?
[QUOTE=woodlander;21929731]You can't deny that there was something romantic about the crusades.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you're trying to say, man once had to rely only on his personal strength instead of technology like they do today. But being killed by a sword through the heart and being killed by a bullet to the head are still the same thing. War, in concept, hasn't changed. But the way it's fought has. Wars are still fought for the same reasons as they were hundreds of years ago, the only thing different is the way people die. And until a war can be fought without a single death, war will never be good.
Only fools find war romantic.
OP is dumb. Honor disappeared after the atrocities of WWI.
[QUOTE=Micr0;21930734]I understand what you're trying to say, man once had to rely only on his personal strength instead of technology like they do today. But being killed by a sword through the heart and being killed by a bullet to the head are still the same thing. War, in concept, hasn't changed. But the way it's fought has. Wars are still fought for the same reasons as they were hundreds of years ago, the only thing different is the way people die. And until a war can be fought without a single death, war will never be good.[/QUOTE]
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"War. War never changes."
[QUOTE=mapreader;21913027]It seems like guns have taken away all the honor and nobility of war. Where once it was heroic knights valiantly engaged in hand-to-hand fighting for their King or Queen, now it's just illiterate peasantry shooting each other from hundreds of metres away. No more strong castles and legendary sieges. No more Lords of the Realm on great horses charging headlong into the enemy. No more legendary swords made by master craftsmen. Sigh.
War has lost all its Romance.[/QUOTE]
You forgot the part about the massive amounts of innocent people being raped, tortured, and killed purely because of the ferocity of troops and the inability for generals to control their troops. Not to mention the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people held up in cities for days, weeks, or even years. Then there's the massive amount of knowledge lost to the burning and thievery of cultural centers and grand libraries. Also the harrowing conditions in which an army marched at the time. There's nothing romantic about that.
War is only romantic under extraordinary circumstances, and even then the people in those situations will usually say that it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The only thing I can agree with you about is castles and craftsmanship, but even then the technological advances of today are by far more astounding.
there is still people who will fight for other reasons and there are still heroes:
Is this isn’t the ultimate in bravery, then I don’t know what is. I’m humbled by these two brave men. I hope that their families can take solace in their loss in knowing that their sons/brothers gave their all to protect others.
This is the face of a truly brave man. I’m sure many, when faced with the challenges he faced, would not have been able to act with the level of bravery and skill that Staff Sgt. Lincoln Dockery did.
It all started on an ordinary day in eastern Afghanistan. Dockery’s platoon had been ordered to investigate a report on a possible IED planted in the area around the villages of Kandegal and Omar. Unfortunately, the road-clearing platoon discovered the explosive device the hard way – by landing on it. The vehicle-mounted mine detector leading the convoy set the device off, causing an explosion that knocked down the dismounted troops, Dockery included. At the same moment, more than 30 insurgents opened fire on the soldiers.
Dazed from the blast, and despite heavy fire, Dockery risked his life to awaken the driver, Pfc. Amador Magana, who had been knocked unconscious from the explosion. Once Magana was awake and firing at the enemy, Dockery decided he wasn’t satisfied with merely saving the life of his comrade.
Seeing his convoy in danger from the heavy fire, he, along with Spc. Corey Taylor, stormed the enemy position, which was a staggering 75 feet up the mountainside. Not to be daunted, the two rushed upward, then crawled along – the whole way throwing grenades at the insurgents. Shrapnel hit Dockery, but he didn’t let slow him down.
Eventually he and Taylor found themselves taking shelter under a rock incline, so close to the enemy that they could hear them talking. They remained holed up there while Dockery attempted to get 1st Lt. William Cromie, his platoon leader, on the radio.
Finally they reached Cromie on the radio, but no one below could spot their position. No one knew how to reach them.
And they were running out of ammunition.
Cromie made the risky decision to take on the mountain by himself. He grabbed extra ammo and reached the two men above. Between the three of them, they were able to force the insurgents into a retreat.
Dockery received a Silver Star and a Purple Heart for his brave tactics against the enemy. Cromie also received a Silver Star for his actions.
Stop acting like you were there for medeival war, OP.
[QUOTE=mapreader;21913027]It seems like guns have taken away all the honor and nobility of war. Where once it was heroic knights valiantly engaged in hand-to-hand fighting for their King or Queen, now it's just illiterate peasantry shooting each other from hundreds of metres away. No more strong castles and legendary sieges. No more Lords of the Realm on great horses charging headlong into the enemy. No more legendary swords made by master craftsmen. Sigh.
War has lost all its Romance.[/QUOTE]
go outside.
i think modern warfare would be rather entertaining if we all stopped using projectile weapons and went back to good old fashioned swords; certainly would be more sporting; not this boring old sitting around nonsense we have know
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WHAT THE FUCK CAREFUL WHERE YOU POINT THAT :c
[quote=evilweazel;21933727]what the fuck careful where you point that :c[/quote]
oh no not the side of your monit3r!!
OP wants a Katana
You disgrace famiry
It's not like, since guns came into use, being a soldier requires no skill. It's just a lot more mental and based upon proper movement and positioning.
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