I just want to add that I've got pretty good work ethic. My last job was cleaning plates down at a restaurant. I made $7.25 an hour, and I worked anywhere between 10 and 20 hours a week. By good work ethic, I mean I cleaned those dishes as if the fate of mankind depended upon me delivering clean dishes to the line. I also cooked and prepped, but for only the pay of a dishwasher.
The problem came in where I had this sleep issue that would cause me to sleep at inopportune times. That, and I had this weird issue at work where I would get to where I was very confused, could barely talk straight, and I could hear people talking but not comprehend what they were saying. I couldn't even focus on something as simple as washing dishes, getting lost and forgetting what I was doing.
I could tell my job was in trouble when the owner caught me in that state, and came over and started doing my job. I was just too confused to do anything. Later that night I drove home and ran a couple of red lights. I think I did, because I remember being honked at very loudly and almost getting T-Boned. The fuck was wrong with me?
One day, as I was getting ready for work, I sat down to watch TV while waiting to go to work. I suddenly fell asleep, and woke up around closing time. I called the boss, explained what happened, and I came in a week later to find that I was fired. Rightly so, I would have fired me too for not showing up. Am I really to blame? Should I be blaming myself for something that I feel was out of my hands? I don't know.
But I know that the doctor should have listened to me when I told him what was going on. Now I've got this firing on my record, and every time I go to get a job they're going to call and hear about this, and I won't be able to get a job.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39106645]What if you can't afford it?
Cause joining the army is that much different to working.[/QUOTE]
That and if you're mentally ill, there's the looming possibility of a dishonourable discharge which will prevent you from getting work anywhere.
I was going to join the army at 16 when I graduated because I was having so much trouble finding work and I didn't know how I was going to go to school... I eventually got cold feet because I deal with mental illness.
[editline]5th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39108721]Yeah, I mentioned mental illness in that post
before physical disability
you missed the half of my post that came before the half you didn't miss
[editline]5th January 2013[/editline]
It's astonishing how badly the system fucks over people whose ability to work is diminished by disability but not wholly removed.
Oh, you can work? Great, go work instead of receiving benefits. Oh, you can only work casually? Good enough, you're working, so no benefits. This is why I have such a hard-on for [URL="http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/4100"]minimum income programs[/URL] as an alternative to welfare, despite there being basically no large-scale implementations of it[/QUOTE]
sleep issues are a mental disability?
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39110355]
sleep issues are a mental disability?[/QUOTE]
If they're severe enough to negatively affect your life and ability to do the things life entails, yes.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39110779]If they're severe enough to negatively affect your life and ability to do the things life entails, yes.[/QUOTE]
I barely got to take part in Christmas festivities with one of my families, and completely missed the other. I've been fired from a job from it and it had impacted my work performance before then.
I frequently fell asleep in class and would get detention in school, which I'd skip so they'd suspend me. One time the principal said I was going to detention whether I liked it or not, so I said "This is fucked up." Got suspended :v: I later went on to get my diploma at the age of 16.
I live with my parents since I have no income to have a place of my own. I desparately want to get out there and get my life started, though. My mother says that I do things in my sleep sometimes, but I don't remember them.
She says I'll have been asleep for 12 hours or so, so she'll bring food in for me and try to wake me up. She says she comes to check on me, and the food is eaten.
I have no memory of doing this, and it's happened many times before. I'll also change sleeping arrangements in my sleep; It's very unsettling to wake up in a different place than where you went to sleep.
I also seem to dream rather quickly. I'll be in the process of falling asleep, and inbetween wakefulness and sleep, I'll hear a loud bang followed by tinnitus; I'll essentially stand up in my bed, cut on all the lights, look around... Nothing. Needless to say, this impacts my sleep greatly.
Sometimes instead of the loud bang I'll see little voxels of light floating around or hear things like racecars running around my bed. I specifically remember once as a child that I was trying to go to sleep, and started seeing light with my eyes shut. I got up, complained with my mother about it, and she acted like I was stupid or something. I vaguely remember it.
Remember that confused state I mentioned earlier? That state seems to be the only one in which I can achieve sleep. This often leaves me fighting bouts of prolonged insomnia. I've been known to go up to 97 hours without sleep before, functioning fairly normally until a very acute confusion sets in.
Also of note, when I get sleepy, my bones start hurting. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Also, my body seems to prefer sleeping during the day, so this isolates me a great deal from social contact.
Also, I think I've taken this topic on quite the tangent, so I'm going to make another topic about this and snip this post. Where should I make it?
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39110941]I barely got to take part in Christmas festivities with one of my families, and completely missed the other. I've been fired from a job from it and it had impacted my work performance before then.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a rather clear-cut disability to me, and if that's the case the firing was most likely discriminatory and illegal
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39110962]That sounds like a rather clear-cut disability to me, and if that's the case the firing was most likely discriminatory and illegal[/QUOTE]
Discrimination requires a willful act and knowledge of a disability. I don't fault them for that. In their position, I would have done the same thing.
If I can prove that I have a disability, do I have the right to retroactively claim unemployment benefits? I wouldn't think that I would, because the employer had no knowledge of the disability, and any other reasonable employer would have taken the same course of action.
That said, Where should I make the new thread?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39110962]That sounds like a rather clear-cut disability to me, and if that's the case the firing was most likely discriminatory and illegal[/QUOTE]
It's not really discriminatory if your disability is getting in the way of you doing your job.
Being disabled myself, I'm all for giving disabled people chances at work, and a bit more leniency in view of their condition, but there comes a point where sometimes, you just can't do the job because of it, and employers shouldn't be forced to employ people because they're disabled if it means that the person (through no fault of their own) is bad at their jobs.
In his case, it doesn't seem discriminatory because it isn't "We're not hiring you because you've something wrong with it" but rather "We're firing you because you're not able to do the job to our standards/expectations."
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;39111261]It's not really discriminatory if your disability is getting in the way of you doing your job.
Being disabled myself, I'm all for giving disabled people chances at work, and a bit more leniency in view of their condition, but there comes a point where sometimes, you just can't do the job because of it, and employers shouldn't be forced to employ people because they're disabled if it means that the person (through no fault of their own) is bad at their jobs.
In his case, it doesn't seem discriminatory because it isn't "We're not hiring you because you've something wrong with it" but rather "We're firing you because you're not able to do the job to our standards/expectations."[/QUOTE]
Like a wheelchair bound baseball player not getting his contract reupped.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39110941]I barely got to take part in Christmas festivities with one of my families, and completely missed the other. I've been fired from a job from it and it had impacted my work performance before then.
I frequently fell asleep in class and would get detention in school, which I'd skip so they'd suspend me. One time the principal said I was going to detention whether I liked it or not, so I said "This is fucked up." Got suspended :v: I later went on to get my diploma at the age of 16.
I live with my parents since I have no income to have a place of my own. I desparately want to get out there and get my life started, though. My mother says that I do things in my sleep sometimes, but I don't remember them.
She says I'll have been asleep for 12 hours or so, so she'll bring food in for me and try to wake me up. She says she comes to check on me, and the food is eaten.
I have no memory of doing this, and it's happened many times before. I'll also change sleeping arrangements in my sleep; It's very unsettling to wake up in a different place than where you went to sleep.
I also seem to dream rather quickly. I'll be in the process of falling asleep, and inbetween wakefulness and sleep, I'll hear a loud bang followed by tinnitus; I'll essentially stand up in my bed, cut on all the lights, look around... Nothing. Needless to say, this impacts my sleep greatly.
Sometimes instead of the loud bang I'll see little voxels of light floating around or hear things like racecars running around my bed. I specifically remember once as a child that I was trying to go to sleep, and started seeing light with my eyes shut. I got up, complained with my mother about it, and she acted like I was stupid or something. I vaguely remember it.
Remember that confused state I mentioned earlier? That state seems to be the only one in which I can achieve sleep. This often leaves me fighting bouts of prolonged insomnia. I've been known to go up to 97 hours without sleep before, functioning fairly normally until a very acute confusion sets in.
Also of note, when I get sleepy, my bones start hurting. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Also, my body seems to prefer sleeping during the day, so this isolates me a great deal from social contact.
Also, I think I've taken this topic on quite the tangent, so I'm going to make another topic about this and snip this post. Where should I make it?[/QUOTE]
That is something for a specialist to resolve after which you can then get back into work without any trouble. The specialist should try to help schedule that lifestyle for you. Your doctor should also -- to acknowledge your difficulty and to ensure that you still manage to be working with it.
[editline]11th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39109201]The big problem for the working for benefits thing is that they're not even working at the minimum wage, making it pretty much slave labour.
[editline]5th January 2013[/editline]
Oh and theres also the fact that there are a lot of people who would like to work, but the amount they'd have to pay to travel to the nearest place of work makes it economically retarded to work instead of using benefits. How about we use benefits to fill the money they'd lose traveling to work and thus make it economically viable, or offer them free public transport.[/QUOTE]
It's not "slave labor". It's training to ensure that the unemployed gain the skills they need to enter the world of work, after which they may then -- if they succeeded -- find employment.
[editline]11th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;39108713]OP, you act as if there are only 2 kinds of disabilities, thhose that allow you to work, and those that don't, you seem rather ignorant about disabilities and believe that for most disabilities it's simply a matter of getting over it, when, it really isn't.[/QUOTE]
It is a matter of just getting over it. There plenty of people without legs yet who still work plentiful hours (and they aren't short meager hours either: they do something necessary such as 40 hours per week (less is acceptable for those getting through a disability, but for those getting over it (i.e. adapting to those limitations) they should do 40 hours like where everyone should start)).
Sure, it's difficult but it will make for a great work ethic and will progress the worker into better opportunities such as alternative jobs if they save up for education, or to become promoted if they decide to remain loyal to their employer.
The point is, there should be no one not working unless you've saved up for a break (with the exception of necessary casual breaks/weekly holidays per annual). If you're on benefits and can't find a job, then do a job for someone - any job. And further, it's not so much finding better employment either: it's more so for the dignity of working like every other in your nation, and giving back.
Doing work is better than not doing any work at all.
OP, can you tell us about your background? I'm curious
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39176741]OP, can you tell us about your background? I'm curious[/QUOTE]
I started by doing charity work immediately after I applied for benefits. Before then, I had just completed high school. I was raised with working values and ethics and aware of how the ethics of working is what underlies the stable fabric of society and is what essentially keeps it moving. Knowing this, I embraced work and was most eager to apply my work ethic. Thus, I immediately applied for charity work - although I did need benefits for my sustenance but applied to do 40 hours a week immediately. I applied for a plethora of jobs every month whilst doing this and six months later, I was in an interview for a retail job at a local McDonalds. I succeeded in this interview and found myself earning minimum wage.
Since then - 5 years ago - I have now found myself as a store supervisor at that very same store and work 48 - 52 hours per week and embrace what it shall bring to me with great joy.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39100219]How does this system handle mental illness or physical disability[/QUOTE]
Drag the person to the top of a mountain and leave them there.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39176965]I started by doing charity work immediately after I applied for benefits. Before then, I had just completed high school. I was raised with working values and ethics and aware of how the ethics of working is what underlies the stable fabric of society and is what essentially keeps it moving. Knowing this, I embraced work and was most eager to apply my work ethic. Thus, I immediately applied for charity work - although I did need benefits for my sustenance but applied to do 40 hours a week immediately. I applied for a plethora of jobs every month whilst doing this and six months later, I was in an interview for a retail job at a local McDonalds. I succeeded in this interview and found myself earning minimum wage.
Since then - 5 years ago - I have now found myself as a store supervisor and work 48 - 52 hours per week and embrace what it shall bring to me with great joy.[/QUOTE]
Damn dude McDonald's manager? Someday I hope to be able to use the great wisdom I've gained from my greatly elevated position in society to tell people what they should be doing on an internet forum.
I know a person who doesn't work and get's benefits because they are "An otter in a human body".
It's fucking ridiculous that saying that entitles said person exempt from working.
I also believe that you should be required to pay back your benefits too, at a rate relative to what you've acquired through benefits (although the rates should be relative to what surplus of income they earn from employment). That way, everyone gives back what they've got and find their way to become independent.
It's just simply wrong that someone can be out of work for n number of years and be given free sustenance whilst everyone else works to pay the taxes and that tax money goes to provide them their sustenance.
There are many throughout the world who have great work ethic. They'll take any job and do any work, and won't subject themselves to any time where they're without work. They always work. It's simply wrong that someone can go on benefits and then find a job and might not have to pay all of what they got through benefits back (e.g. they may go into employment for a year but because of their taxes, they probably won't pay back what they got on benefits), keep what surplus they gain after living expenses and then use it for luxuries -- especially while there are the kind out there that have the better dignity to pay that back/at least try to earn their money independently without relying on benefits/work the same as they would normally while on benefits.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39100706]
Then it's the choice of your own to get support from your doctor. If you are unwilling to get treatment or willing to accept treatment which will allow you to get back into work, then it's your own fault.
[/QUOTE]
Haha holy shit, "You have a disability clearly you aren't employed because of it because you're obviously refusing help!!!"
Dude, if someone can't get a job due to disability I'm pretty sure they'd be looking into help for it. And what if they can't afford help for it?
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39100706]
At the very least, if you're unwilling to work for your country then fight for it! Join the army if you don't want to work.[/QUOTE]
If they won't let you flip burgers due to your disability I'm pretty sure they won't let you join the army over it
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39181827]I also believe that you should be required to pay back your benefits too, at a rate relative to what you've acquired through benefits (although the rates should be relative to what surplus of income they earn from employment). That way, everyone gives back what they've got and find their way to become independent.
There are many throughout the world who have great work ethic. They'll take any job and do any work, and [b]won't subject themselves to any time where they're without work. They always work.[/b] [/QUOTE]
Do you live in communist Russia? :v:
all this coming from a McDonalds manager. Thanks!
-haha nevermind holy shit dude-
[QUOTE=HorizoN;39182301]all this coming from a McDonalds manager. Thanks![/QUOTE]
You people obviously have entitlement issues, believing that you can have access to all your sustenance for free. Well that's not how it works and you need to wake up into the real world where you must work to survive.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;39111261]It's not really discriminatory if your disability is getting in the way of you doing your job.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about where he lives but in this country if someone is disabled the employer is required to either find a job in the company they [i]can[/i] do, or simply lay them off. Firing is blatantly illegal. (Firing someone and laying them off are not the same thing, laid off basically means they intend to bring you back if there is a position you can fill in the future/other dismissals that aren't the fault of the employee - it's generally easier to claim unemployment if you've been laid off from your previous job than if you have been fired)
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39182650]You people obviously have entitlement issues, believing that you can have access to all your sustenance for free. Well that's not how it works and you need to wake up into the real world where you must work to survive.[/QUOTE]
[sarcasm]Yes you can definitely read my mind through a couple words on the internet and know exactly how I think.[/sarcasm]
Wow the OP is a proper cock.
only reason you have great joy from being a McDonalds manager is you get to boss people around and make them do the shit you dont want to do like mopping the floor etc while you stand around picking your arse.
the reason i left my job there was because of the above and not giving me time off which i booked in advanced because obviously people working there longer then you have priority right?
[QUOTE=xianlee;39186584]Wow the OP is a proper cock.
only reason you have great joy from being a McDonalds manager is you get to boss people around and make them do the shit you dont want to do like mopping the floor etc while you stand around picking your arse.
the reason i left my job there was because of the above and not giving me time off which i booked in advanced because obviously people working there longer then you have priority right?[/QUOTE]
I merely ensure that standard employees do what is right. I guide them, through proper order. That is the role as a supervisor. It helps keep work and business focused.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39193412]I merely ensure that standard employees do what is right. I guide them, through proper order. That is the role as a supervisor. It helps keep work and business focused.[/QUOTE]
Also, being a manager isn't all it's cracked up to be. You're basically paid the same as a line cook except you have more responsibilities and longer hours.
livelonger, how many times do you find yourself on the fryers? Mopping floors? Doing intake?
Huh, if you check OP's post history, you'll see he had a quite different philosophy when it comes to welfare back then
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39194181]Huh, if you check OP's post history, you'll see he had a quite different philosophy when it comes to welfare back then[/QUOTE]
I shared this account with someone some time ago and they attempted to sway me from drudgery. Try tried to convince that one shouldn't work for their sustenance and didn't believe that one has the very innate right to sustenance. I realized they were wrong after having a debate with one who was most committed to the ideals of working.
[editline]12th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39194016]Also, being a manager isn't all it's cracked up to be. You're basically paid the same as a line cook except you have more responsibilities and longer hours.
livelonger, how many times do you find yourself on the fryers? Mopping floors? Doing intake?[/QUOTE]
While most often the role is solely of supervision, it does indeed require the commitment to standard employee roles too.
It isn't easy but realizing the effort of one's hard work is all that's needed - to keep focused and working hard. It's better than not working, and better than working less.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39181827]I also believe that you should be required to pay back your benefits too, at a rate relative to what you've acquired through benefits (although the rates should be relative to what surplus of income they earn from employment). That way, everyone gives back what they've got and find their way to become independent.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? So someone who had to rely on benefits finally gets to the point where he no longer needs them and you want to drag him back below the line?
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;39194428]Are you serious? So someone who had to rely on benefits finally gets to the point where he no longer needs them and you want to drag him back below the line?[/QUOTE]
It would help drive a country from austerity. They should be required to give them back, they've received help and support and should give that back. Going on benefits was their choice.
[QUOTE=livelonger12;39194777]It would help drive a country from austerity. They should be required to give them back, they've received help and support and should give that back. Going on benefits was their choice.[/QUOTE]
Their choice? What if the other alternative was to starve and live in the streets?
thank you op for keeping my mcdonalds clean when i order from the drive thru.
[quote]It is a matter of just getting over it. There plenty of people without legs yet who still work plentiful hours (and they aren't short meager hours either: they do something necessary such as 40 hours per week (less is acceptable for those getting through a disability, but for those getting over it (i.e. adapting to those limitations) they should do 40 hours like where everyone should start)). [/quote]
You're very fucking ignorant of people with disabilities.
I'd actually explain in detail, from personal experience, but I have a feeling that you'd ignore it or dismiss it as irrelevant or, as an ignorant fuckwad simply call me lazy.
Believe me, there's nothing more I'd [B]love[/B] to do than be able to work (have you any idea how isolating being housebound is) and earn more than the pittance that I'm on right now, but in a realistic world, simply can't.
Because believe me, having your food budget at no more than £1.50 a day isn't all that fun.
OP it seems to me that you're lumping in people who genuinely can't work, with the ones that don't want to work, which is entirely unfair.
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