• TotalBiscuit talks about Hatred removal on Steam
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[QUOTE=Crumpet;46733761]So because postal 1 is a classic it is somehow different? does murder lose it's edge after a decade?[/QUOTE] Yeah it's like fine wine. It gets better with age :v:
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;46740719]Yeah it's like fine wine. It gets better with age :v:[/QUOTE] murder simulators are fine wine confirmed brb drinking a classic 2003 manhunt
Can't wait till I see "Hatred is to blame for the hostage situation in Sydney" in the news.
I'm sure some folks remember that I had issues with people seemingly ok with Hatred coming back to Greenlight, and I was confused as to why I exactly felt negative about that. TB's video just perfectly explained to me, and I now exactly see what the problem was. The upset is about the act that Valve committed itself, not the victim of the act. That said my god Valve is loosing cred lately.
why r people having such a fuss about a game where ur possibly only goal is commit crimes payday: the heist and payday 2 literally do the same, you rob banks, vans and safes and take hostages how is that not comparable???? imho people shud settle down about it; even if its about murder, and even if it -is- the possibly only goal, it's virtual people that cant differentiate those 2 things have problems im pretty sure when ur angered and decide 2 play Grand Theft Auto ur probably gonna start senseless violence just because it's fucking hilarious to see ragdoll physics sure, there's a lot of gritty finishing moves in the game, but maybe those are only in the trailer, maybe they're not as extreme and only exaggerated for cinematic effect seriously its like every1 makes a fuss about something when its controversial and mildly offensive wolfenstein games were outright banned in germany due to nazi imagery (sans The New Order, which got cut instead), yet they were released like three years ago and still are available online if they're banned honestly if people dont like it they shud just not comment about it and avoid it really its virtual not real
[QUOTE=Alexandroras;46727792]The fact that they remove it before the Greenlight make his choice shouldn't happen. I still do not like the design for Hatred. Not because you kill lot of peoples, but more because it bring the concept of killing innocent civilians on a grim, serious, edgy and brutal way. It feel uncomfortable to watch. Something like GTA or Postal bring it in a more satire and humoristic way which remind you than this is a video games and that you are looking for entertainment. It won't bother me if it get release, but i won't look to play it tho.[/QUOTE] This. This is how I exactly felt about why I wasn't comfortable with Hatred compared to GTA. Thank you.
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;46737672]Who's getting fired? (͡• ͜ʖ ͡•)[/QUOTE] Looking at this thread probably papaya.
[QUOTE=erkor;46741518]why r people having such a fuss about a game where ur possibly only goal is commit crimes how is that not comparable????[/QUOTE] I've been playing violent video games pretty much my whole life. I was blowing up strippers in Duke Nukem 3D when I was in elementary school. And what I feel when I watch the Hatred trailer is revulsion. It's hard to say exactly why, but it's completely different from how I've felt about every other violent video game. I would feel extremely uncomfortable around someone who finds that sort of thing appealing. Not that it should be banned or censored, but I can understand why someone at Valve initially did not want it associated with Steam.
On the subject of violence in video games Jim Sterling made a good video last year on the subject: [url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6692-Desensitized-to-Violence[/url] [QUOTE]Warning -- Contains graphic content. If you don't want to see disturbing Internet things, skip the footage starting at 1:20 and ending at 1:49. [/QUOTE] If you don't want to watch the video he basically says that there's a very clear line between video game violence & real violence In video games the violence is over the top & cartoony even in the most realistic games & that anybody can easily tell the difference between them. But why is Hatred different? Well it's because Hatred tries it's best to cross that line & it comes uncomfortably close, the devs at one point even said they were trying to make the game offensive. Also yes Hatred is different from GTA & Postal 2 because although you're doing terrible things in them, the violence isn't realistic at all & it's very over the top. But with Postal 1 (bare in mind I haven't played it) it seems like they were trying to do what Hatred is doing now, the only thing that was preventing them was the graphics & the age of the game. I know someone before was saying that isn't a valid point but I think it is, because of the limitations they had back then the graphics suffered & because of that the violence isn't as graphic as it probably wanted to be. Although I must admit the voice clips of people begging for their lives is uncomfortable but in the end it doesn't come close to the offensiveness of Hatred
[QUOTE=onebit;46726623]Consider a child might play this and consider it acceptable behavior, if there is no one else around to tell it otherwise.[/QUOTE] people still think this actually happens (anymore)?
[QUOTE=axemunger;46742731]On the subject of violence in video games Jim Sterling made a good video last year on the subject: [url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6692-Desensitized-to-Violence[/url] If you don't want to watch the video he basically says that there's a very clear line between video game violence & real violence In video games the violence is over the top & cartoony even in the most realistic games & that anybody can easily tell the difference between them. But why is Hatred different? Well it's because Hatred tries it's best to cross that line & it comes uncomfortably close, the devs at one point even said they were trying to make the game offensive. Also yes Hatred is different from GTA & Postal 2 because although you're doing terrible things in them, the violence isn't realistic at all & it's very over the top. But with Postal 1 (bare in mind I haven't played it) it seems like they were trying to do what Hatred is doing now, the only thing that was preventing them was the graphics & the age of the game. I know someone before was saying that isn't a valid point but I think it is, because of the limitations they had back then the graphics suffered & because of that the violence isn't as graphic as it probably wanted to be. Although I must admit the voice clips of people begging for their lives is uncomfortable but in the end it doesn't come close to the offensiveness of Hatred[/QUOTE] I find the executions in Manhunt to be much more offensive than anything I see in Hatred. I don't care if those people are innocent or not, look at this shit. [video=youtube;BlUw3Gph1JQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUw3Gph1JQ[/video]
[QUOTE=onebit;46726623]Consider a child might play this and consider it acceptable behavior, if there is no one else around to tell it otherwise.[/QUOTE] Funny, I thought you have to be 13 or older to own a Steam account.
[QUOTE=StarBot;46763452]Funny, I thought you have to be 13 or older to own a Steam account.[/QUOTE]To own, yes. To use? Don't think so. Hence the whole family sharing thing.
the difference between hatred and postal 2/manhunt is you're just massively execution innocents as the main goal, rather than as a thing you can do postal 1 really isn't on steam so that's different, but it's really no better than hatred, even still, you're not shooting harmless people, you're shooting people shooting you outside of that other games at least try and make that seem like a bad thing.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46763502]the difference between hatred and postal 2/manhunt is you're just massively execution innocents as the main goal, rather than as a thing you can do postal 1 really isn't on steam so that's different, but it's really no better than hatred, even still, you're not shooting harmless people, you're shooting people shooting you outside of that other games at least try and make that seem like a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Red Dead Redemption has pedestrian execution animations, and yet no-one complained about it.
[QUOTE=GravyKing;46763897]Red Dead Redemption has pedestrian execution animations, and yet no-one complained about it.[/QUOTE] but the game isn't about killing pedestrians, is it?
[QUOTE=GravyKing;46763897]Red Dead Redemption has pedestrian execution animations, and yet no-one complained about it.[/QUOTE] jesus we've been over this like 20 times in the thread. the whole point is that that's one tiny part of the main game compared to everything else (they're not even pedestrian animations, just execution animations you use on enemies that happen to affect pedestrians as well)
[QUOTE=J!NX;46763502]the difference between hatred and postal 2/manhunt is you're just massively execution innocents as the main goal, rather than as a thing you can do postal 1 really isn't on steam so that's different, but it's really no better than hatred, even still, you're not shooting harmless people, you're shooting people shooting you outside of that other games at least try and make that seem like a bad thing.[/QUOTE] postal is on steam? [url]http://store.steampowered.com/app/232770/[/url]
I'm honestly blown away that this is even a debate in 2014. [QUOTE=axemunger;46742731]On the subject of violence in video games Jim Sterling made a good video last year on the subject: [url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6692-Desensitized-to-Violence[/url] If you don't want to watch the video he basically says that there's a very clear line between video game violence & real violence In video games the violence is over the top & cartoony even in the most realistic games & that anybody can easily tell the difference between them. But why is Hatred different? Well it's because Hatred tries it's best to cross that line & it comes uncomfortably close, the devs at one point even said they were trying to make the game offensive. Also yes Hatred is different from GTA & Postal 2 because although you're doing terrible things in them, the violence isn't realistic at all & it's very over the top. But with Postal 1 (bare in mind I haven't played it) it seems like they were trying to do what Hatred is doing now, the only thing that was preventing them was the graphics & the age of the game. I know someone before was saying that isn't a valid point but I think it is, because of the limitations they had back then the graphics suffered & because of that the violence isn't as graphic as it probably wanted to be. Although I must admit the voice clips of people begging for their lives is uncomfortable but in the end it doesn't come close to the offensiveness of Hatred[/QUOTE] "Any sane civilian is gonna be terrified of guns." lmao.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46763502]even still, you're not shooting harmless people, you're shooting people shooting you[/QUOTE] That marching band really had it coming.
Games shouldn't be censored. Not on Steam, not anywhere. That said, [sp]enjoy your edgelord garbage[/sp]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46763500]To own, yes. To use? Don't think so. Hence the whole family sharing thing.[/QUOTE] A child can take alcohol from the booze cabinet, better ban all booze.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46763500]To own, yes. To use? Don't think so. Hence the whole family sharing thing.[/QUOTE] I keep forgeting about the family sharing thing. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Necrobump" - SteveUK))[/highlight]
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