You sound like the ultra rich conservatives, except they don't want tax money going to anyone except the rich
[QUOTE=the_killer25;31852185][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bcDfR.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That show always pissed me off because of how stupid they are.
[editline]20th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=felix the cat;31853634]You sound like the ultra rich conservatives, except they don't want tax money going to anyone except the rich[/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit where you shove my tax money, just not in the hands of those who don't need it. I'm a poor ass ranch hand actually if you care to know, and my money goes to the government with a smile on my face knowing it should be spent happily to help those who need help and protect my country. In turn it gets blown on fraud, bullshit wages for the rich congress who do nothing while I sit here and manualy labour away for not much and everyone bitches about conservatives and liberals. Honestly my boss put it to me this way and since the financial side of the ranch and I are good friends (I do all their computer tech work because well I'm smart) we had a conversation about pay, if shit wasn't so expensive because of government taxing on ranch related things (and we have the good end of the tax stick compaired to the oil industry and others) and how much he gets taxed for being rich (haha, right, in the ranch industry he could actually go broke any minute, "rich" is only a term used to define how comparative his wealth is to your needs, the ranch can blow a million in a few seconds just on the much needed equipment (we are using easily 40-50+ year old technology and equipment to run a 21st centurary ranch and farming operation) we use for farming hay. Honestly our hay bonus (because this year I worked mechanic with the hay crew because they were so fucked this summer) was incredably low compaired to what anyone should be paid for that job, and the financial guys know that, they actually came out to the hay crew, brought us lunch and said, guys, even with the drought and thus high prices of hay that we can sell for more money than usual (hay usualy sells between 25$ a tonne and 75$ a tonne) but we still can't pay you what you're worth, hell we might not even be able to pay you for this month if you continue having to work so many hours. The ranch has had to try to make money in oil and windfarms just to keep running and pay us workers. And why is this? Because the taxes our ranch has to pay are so astoundingly high we're almost fucked every year, ranching is a VERY expensive business and you usualy always lose money on ranching.
Enough about that, it's important because a lot of rich people own ranches as a way to get rid of their money right? to "avoid" taxes. Well heres the thing what do ranches do?
Pros:
provide jobs
provide raw material for domestic products (glue, toothbrushes, hell nearly everything comes from cows, medicial products and a whole bunch of other things that require animal bi-products, nearly everything)
provide food
cons:
a means for the "rich" to "avoid" taxes
Now when you put it that way some tax "evasion" is alright because it's productive.
Now when they outright go and put it all in a swiss bank or set it in a vault and sit on it I agree with you but the rich who have things that produce for society, then taxing them more is outright stupid. Biting the hand that feeds you if you will. You can't give every man a castle but you can give them the freedom to turn their quality of life in their hovel to be that of a castle.
[QUOTE=felix the cat;31851878][B]SHIT PEOPLE SHOULD CARE ABOUT[/B]
Sometime in the next year it is almost a guarantee that the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade as well as talk of overturning Tinker v. Des Moines, and if the Republicans take the election next year, America will go right back to how it was in 1929. You guys better start making room in Canada for me[/QUOTE]
I wish I understood politics and what the hell that means.
Basically the republicans want to get rid of public schooling, get rid of civil rights, get rid of unions and organized labor, get rid of medicare/medicaid, get rid of social security, get rid of taxes on the rich, get rid of health insurance, get rid of all the rights of people under the age of 18, get rid of any form of financial security for working class and middle class citizens, get rid of public parks and public transportation, get rid of minimum wage, pump more subsidies into the oil corporations and the banks, basically undo everything that's been done to help people who aren't in the top 2% in terms of wealth. Everything will go back to how the US was in 1929 right before the stock market crash. They want everyone to have to fend for themselves, which is just going to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. And if you're not among the top 2% then you're just shit outta luck. Because they'll be no government backing, everything will come from the wealthy families and corporations.
[QUOTE=The one that is;31848133]Yeah well drug cartels sure are a very nice organization, not even close to barbaric and wrong huh? And if they're comming to actually work and not fucking peddle drugs, come the legal way, get a green card and fucking work here, get the education and apply for citizenship. You get 2 months of government paid education for the test. I took and passed the fucking test (in social studies class) with only a week of study, why can't they?[/QUOTE]
Wow, you have no idea how to earn the right to live in the United States.
Earning the right to live and work here is completely different than becoming a citizen.
All foreign nationals have to get a Green Card first, and this is the part that takes forever. The only people who can get green cards are people who are related to Green-card holders or US Citizens, or people who are getting married. To earn a green card through a US relative, it takes YEARS. 5 years at least. It typically takes 7-8 years. Extreme cases drag on for 20 years. While you're waiting for this, you could probably get fucking murdered, as that's the likely outcome of living in Mexico.
Becoming a citizen is easy. After living in the US for 5 years, with a valid green card, you can apply for citizenship and take the test.
Becoming a citizen is easy, getting a green card or a work visa is a fucking nightmare.
[QUOTE=The one that is;31853655] [/QUOTE]
The way you were talking about how "unproductive members of society" should have their citizenship revoked is what makes you sound like the crazy tea partyers. I wasn't judging your status in society. The problem with the illegal immigrants is that they keep coming in and will work for less than minimum wage, while the unemployment rate keeps going up in the US. We should be hiring the US citizens who are actively trying to get work (I mean the ones who are trying to work, not the ones just sitting around doing nothing but complaining) , not putting them out of jobs because someone else is willing to come in and work illegally for less wages.
@the one that is
Can we stop with the politics?
[QUOTE=The one that is;31848133]Yeah well drug cartels sure are a very nice organization, not even close to barbaric and wrong huh? And if they're comming to actually work and not fucking peddle drugs, come the legal way, get a green card and fucking work here, get the education and apply for citizenship. You get 2 months of government paid education for the test. I took and passed the fucking test (in social studies class) with only a week of study, why can't they?[/QUOTE]
It sounds like you are assuming that all Mexicans are drug cartels.
[QUOTE=cardfan212;31854157]Can we stop with the politics?[/QUOTE]
It's hard not to stop talking about it. Politics has a huge impact on our lives, but we base decisions on ignorant opinions and lack of perspective. People need to be educated better, or persuaded to at least take multiple perspectives into consideration.
I like to discuss this, it makes people think and try to defend their opinions. If they can't adequately defend them, then they should try to pick up a new understanding.
I like discussing politics and all, but let's talk about daily shit that isn't politics.
There are too many people who vote or make their opinions based on nothing. There are so many people who don't realize they're getting screwed by the people they support.
daily life v3 - Politics cardfan doesn't care about
[QUOTE=cardfan212;31854157]Can we stop with the politics?[/QUOTE]
whats wrong with it? I find it more interesting then the usual bs
[QUOTE=Stupideye;31854247]whats wrong with it? I find it more interesting then the usual bs[/QUOTE]
Plus atleast the Americans in here need to realize what the fuck is going on in our country.
Look, a lot of this stuff is daily life for me. I read the news about the Cartels every day. You guys have no idea what it's like to read a headline that says a schoolteacher was beheaded three blocks away from your friend's house, or that the police had abandoned their positions and left the neighborhood that was protecting your girlfriend's house. Then she tells you that cartel members are watching her house like wolves to a sheep, just waiting to pounce.
This is my fucking nightmare, and although she's only going to be there for a few more weeks, I just know that's what it might take for her to be taken.
Then, I have to deal with fucking redneck assholes who don't know ANYTHING about people who SHOULD be here, and shouldn't. It makes me sick, tired, and angry. Most of all, it's frustrating because I can't do anything at this point in time. This shit's not going to fly for me anymore.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;31854247]whats wrong with it? I find it more interesting then the usual bs[/QUOTE]
Nothing's wrong with it but there is a lot of politics in here recently.
[QUOTE=cardfan212;31854368]Nothing's wrong with it but there is a lot of politics in here recently.[/QUOTE]
weve been talking about it for like less then a day lol
Some guy today like lectured me about buying chinese guns since I'm supporting the country most like to start world war 3 against us by telling him that he'd be better off buying the cyma AK-74 as opposed to the Echo 1 wolverine or whatever. He also was going to buy echo 1 because apparently they make their guns in the USA. I don't think he believed me when I said they buy their guns from china and sell them under the Echo 1 name.
uh wow
im in taiwan
so im not digging mainland china and all
but even then im not nearly that anal about shit
The problem with Americans is they don't want anything to do with politics. And it's a problem because without anyone caring, the politicians can basically do anything they want because the public is uninformed and frankly don't care. It's disgusting that we've become a country who's people choose to be uneducated and ignorant and who's government quarrels like children because of party lines instead of doing their fucking jobs, and who's got retards for presidential candidates. And a fucking coward for a president. If Obama wasn't so keen on pleasing everyone and trying to keep from getting into arguments with the fucking morons we call politicians he might actually accomplish something.
[QUOTE=Dark Descent;31854407]Some guy today like lectured me about buying chinese guns since I'm supporting the country most like to start world war 3 against us by telling him that he'd be better off buying the cyma AK-74 as opposed to the Echo 1 wolverine or whatever. He also was going to buy echo 1 because apparently they make their guns in the USA. I don't think he believed me when I said they buy their guns from china and sell them under the Echo 1 name.[/QUOTE]
WW3 will be over in like a day cause of MAD so its pretty irrelevant since we'd all die anyway
China will probably take us over financially before theres a WW3. We cant afford to fight them anyways.
WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO COLONIZE SPACE
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;31854549]WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO COLONIZE SPACE[/QUOTE]
Okay. You pay :v:
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;31854549]WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO COLONIZE SPACE[/QUOTE]
space wars go
Russia would win. They're the only ones with a sizable space program left afaik
Or the Brits
the brit navy will make a space boat
im gay
[QUOTE=felix the cat;31854065]Basically the republicans want to get rid of public schooling, get rid of civil rights, get rid of unions and organized labor, get rid of medicare/medicaid, get rid of social security, get rid of taxes on the rich, get rid of health insurance, get rid of all the rights of people under the age of 18, get rid of any form of financial security for working class and middle class citizens, get rid of public parks and public transportation, get rid of minimum wage, pump more subsidies into the oil corporations and the banks, basically undo everything that's been done to help people who aren't in the top 2% in terms of wealth. Everything will go back to how the US was in 1929 right before the stock market crash. They want everyone to have to fend for themselves, which is just going to make the rich, richer and the poor, poorer. And if you're not among the top 2% then you're just shit outta luck. Because they'll be no government backing, everything will come from the wealthy families and corporations.[/QUOTE]
And the sad thing is the average American will just take this all sitting down. I'd gladly come down there and help take down the government if that shit actually happens though.
Or I could come up there and we can be Canada bros :buddy:
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