[QUOTE=The Vman;20283747]It looked like it could have potentially been good all the way up to 1:09.
Then it turned into every other goddamn anime ever made.
With the usual goddamn magic robot Nazis.
I can only imagine what kind of monstrosity they created with Stark...[/QUOTE]
[i]Usual[/i] goddamn magic robot Nazis? I want to know what animes you're referring to because that sounds like a hoot.
Also, the actual animation part starts after 40 secs so you're basically saying it could have been good from the first 30 seconds.
not iron man... shiny man look how he glow!
Looks incredibly gay
It still looks like a big fucking disaster. The only reason I am going to watch it is because it is fucking Marvel Comics and Madhouse in one.
I'm even going to watch gay emo faggot Wolverine.
[editline]06:12PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;20279898]You... you're really quite... deluded, aren't you? Newsflash, anime is a fucking art style. A shitty one.[/QUOTE]
Uh no.
Anime isn't an artstyle.
We do have a stereotypical artstyle we call anime, just like we got a stereotypical artstyle we call cartoons.
But there is absolutely no set rules to how the artstyle of anime is, at all. The stereotypical style is mostly used for the shit that they just want to rake in cash from without putting any effort into making it. Throw in some titties, panties, faggot "normal" dude that is blamed for everything and a school and you're on your way to a new successfull winner amongst the Japanese loners that actually pays for their cartoons. Pay a lot.
lol more cartoons
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20283415]I can see why, that's quite possibly one of the most over-rated pieces of dull uninteresting shit I've ever had the misfortune of watching.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah but my point is they basically just post that instead of a reason.
[QUOTE=Kushie;20274194]The style reminds me a bit of Lupin III.[/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;20281175]How about you be quite now.[/QUOTE]
I'm quite already, thank you very much.
[QUOTE=yellowoboe;20289470]Well yeah but my point is they basically just post that instead of a reason.
[/QUOTE]
The show is so bad, posting that IS the reason.
Wonderful, Japan has ruined another american icon.
I love the anime hating bandwagon, they just hate because they don't like the art style.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20326778]The show is so bad, posting that IS the reason.[/QUOTE]
Hurr durr. :downs:
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;20280860]But it's just such a good example. Regardless, I'll expand. Horrific framerates, horrible facial design, Hair inbetween realistic, cartoony, and emo, a really annoying blurry visual effect (I don't know how to explain it, it's a bit like bloom, a bit like lens flare, and perhaps blur as well) which seems to be present in a fuckload of animes. Annoying scenes where the camera just pans around a still picture, inability to draw moving backgrounds, retarded characters and storylines, bad/annoying translations, I can go on, the list is nearly endless. Show me one anime series without those, plus a decent drawing style without hopelessly androgynous characters and revolting eyes, and I will renounce everything I have ever said against anime as a whole.[/QUOTE]
I'd say Ghost in The Shell, but I have a feeling anything that has a character with weird colored hair would automatically make it shit to you.
Hating anime just because it's anime retarded. Yeah, some Anime sucks, but in case you hadn't noticed quite a few American drama series suck as well. Treat each individual anime as its own entity rather than "all anime sucks", just like you wouldn't go "all American dramas suck", you would go "yeah, Desperate Housewives sucks but House is pretty good". Not all anime is the same, the art style varies quite a lot between different works, for example
[img_thumb]http://grainsfrommybrain.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chihiro-yubaba-spirited-away-399712_953_516.jpg[/img_thumb] vs [img_thumb]http://www.raygunx.com/wp-content/uploads/1248817823_ecdf33ee58.jpg[/img_thumb]
as does the tone and the plot. I'm not saying that all anime is good, not by a long way, but don't just hate something because it fits into a pretty damn broad category, or just because it's Japanese.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;20327614]Hating anime just because it's anime retarded. Yeah, some Anime sucks, but in case you hadn't noticed quite a few American drama series suck as well. Treat each individual anime as its own entity rather than "all anime sucks", just like you wouldn't go "all American dramas suck", you would go "yeah, Desperate Housewives sucks but House is pretty good". Not all anime is the same, the art style varies quite a lot between different works, for example
[img_thumb]http://grainsfrommybrain.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chihiro-yubaba-spirited-away-399712_953_516.jpg[/img_thumb] vs [img_thumb]http://www.raygunx.com/wp-content/uploads/1248817823_ecdf33ee58.jpg[/img_thumb]
as does the tone and the plot. I'm not saying that all anime is good, not by a long way, but don't just hate something because it fits into a pretty damn broad category, or just because it's Japanese.[/QUOTE]
For the longest time I did hate animé solely on the basis of being animé. But then I watched things like Akira, Princess Mononoke, and somewhat enjoyed Full Metal Alchemist for a bit. After some time I reflected on the animés I actually liked in the past, and sooner or later came to the conclusion that there's a very small percentage of animés out there that have actually been appealing to me. I also noticed that the animés I did enjoy lacked (or had very little) animé clichés and antics.
Now I forgot why I was typing..
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;20328565]I also noticed that the animés I did enjoy lacked (or had very little) animé clichés and antics.[/QUOTE]
That's because those are the good shows.
Simplifying anime that are produced:
70% SHIT
15% AVERAGE
3% Rather good
1.5% Very good
0.5% EPIC!
Simplifying hollywood movies that are produced:
70% SHIT
15% AVERAGE
3% Rather good
1.5% Very good
0.5% EPIC!
What does both Hollywood movies and anime shows have in common? The good shit isn't the same clichè crap. And when it is the same clichè crap it is done very well, or is a good parody of it.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;20327614]Hating anime just because it's anime retarded. Yeah, some Anime sucks, but in case you hadn't noticed quite a few American drama series suck as well. Treat each individual anime as its own entity rather than "all anime sucks", just like you wouldn't go "all American dramas suck", you would go "yeah, Desperate Housewives sucks but House is pretty good". Not all anime is the same, the art style varies quite a lot between different works, for example
[img_thumb]http://grainsfrommybrain.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chihiro-yubaba-spirited-away-399712_953_516.jpg[/img_thumb] vs [img_thumb]http://www.raygunx.com/wp-content/uploads/1248817823_ecdf33ee58.jpg[/img_thumb]
as does the tone and the plot. I'm not saying that all anime is good, not by a long way, but don't just hate something because it fits into a pretty damn broad category, or just because it's Japanese.[/QUOTE]
Studio Ghibli fuckin' rocks, there hasn't been a movie from that studio I haven't liked so far.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;20327028]I love the anime hating bandwagon, they just hate because they don't like the art style.[/QUOTE]
Every single thing typically associated with anime is shit. Not just the art style, it's the plots, the animation, the voice acting. Everything that can possibly be made fun of is there. But the art style is the worst thing, definitely. Anime was created as a Disney knockoff, and by god if they'd stuck to ripping off disney instead of trying to add their own retarded ideas to it it might still be alright.
[editline]09:31PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20283555]
Nobody draws moving backgrounds, what are you talking about? Backgrounds are usually paintings, it would cost ungodly amounts of money to animate backgrounds.
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I should explain. Rather than simply have the characters fighting in the actual environment they're in, quite a few anime shows decide to instead have them fighting against a background which makes no logical sense and looks like a really boring LSD trip.
[img]http://celebrity-photos.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Shinomori-Aoshi-04.jpg[/img]
Note the background.
[editline]09:33PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20283555]
Why does animation have to be smooth to be good?
[/QUOTE]
When [i]Family Guy's[/i] animation looks better than your show's, you've got a serious problem.
[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;20328751]Perhaps I should explain. Rather than simply have the characters fighting in the actual environment they're in, quite a few anime shows decide to instead have them fighting against a background which makes no logical sense and looks like a really boring LSD trip
[IMG]http://celebrity-photos.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Shinomori-Aoshi-04.jpg[/IMG]
Note the background.
[/QUOTE]
I think they do that to emphasis action, but the thing is... It's an ANIMATED MEDIUM. Shit like that works great with comic books and shit but it's a FUCKING ANIMATION WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE MOVING.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20328741]Studio Ghibli fuckin' rocks, there hasn't been a movie from that studio I haven't liked so far.[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah brudda.
Princess Mononoke is fuckin' pimp shit.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20328951]I think they do that to emphasis action, but the thing is... It's an ANIMATED MEDIUM. Shit like that works great with comic books and shit but it's a FUCKING ANIMATION WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD BE MOVING.[/QUOTE]
Avoid cheesy action series then.
The thing with the animation is for the most that animation studios are dirt poor. Animators have to have a second job in order to feed themselves. And to top it they insist on having detailed characters rather than sacrificing some detail for smoother animation.
They have kinda mastered the art in doing as little work as possible without making it a complete slideshow.
And when they do sacrifice detailed character designs by adapting mangas that have simple looking characters it seems that the reason they chose to do so was because they couldn't afford animating anything else, and then you end up with bad details AND bad animation.
[QUOTE=dgg;20329089]Avoid cheesy action series then.
The thing with the animation is for the most that animation studios are dirt poor. Animators have to have a second job in order to feed themselves. And to top it they insist on having detailed characters rather than sacrificing some detail for smoother animation.
And when they do sacrifice detailed character designs by adapting mangas that have simple looking characters it seems that the reason they chose them was because they couldn't afford animating anything else, and then you end up with bad details AND bad animation.[/QUOTE]
I'm full aware of the typically low budgets and ridiculous time constraints, but still. It's basically the same kind of rant where you have a comic where there's too much talk and not enough illustration.
[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;20328751]Every single thing typically associated with anime is shit. Not just the art style, it's the plots, the animation, the voice acting. Everything that can possibly be made fun of is there.
[editline]09:31PM[/editline]
Perhaps I should explain. Rather than simply have the characters fighting in the actual environment they're in, quite a few anime shows decide to instead have them fighting against a background which makes no logical sense and looks like a really boring LSD trip
[img]http://celebrity-photos.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Shinomori-Aoshi-04.jpg[/img]
Note the background.
[editline]09:33PM[/editline]
When [i]Family Guy's[/i] animation looks better than your show's, you've got a serious problem.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.behindthehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/transformers-2-twins-game-screenshot-580x482.jpg[/img]
Ahem?
I haven't noticed that at all in anything I've watched. Are you trying to say that Japanese people have some sort of inability to draw backgrounds at certain points? It's an artistic choice to show tension when you have next to no money and have to make do with what you can get away with.
And that's just a fucking load of donkey shit. Are you telling me that this:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b4EEVoVLlc[/media]
is worse animation than fucking Family Guy? Are you high?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20329004]Hell yeah brudda.
Princess Mononoke is fuckin' pimp shit.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen that one yet. D:
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20329122]I'm full aware of the typically low budgets and ridiculous time constraints, but still. It's basically the same kind of rant where you have a comic where there's too much talk and not enough illustration.[/QUOTE]
That's nonsense. Yes, that applies to a lot of anime, because a lot of anime is complete shit.
That doesn't mean that the Japanese are incapable of animating. Look at Ponyo, that shit is nothing but beautiful animation.
[editline]09:49PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20329193]I haven't seen that one yet. D:[/QUOTE]
You must. It is made of pure sex.
grghrg, new page, didn't notice.
Continuation of the post:
But there are some companies that have done well and sell decent ammounts of DVDs to survive. Kyoto Animation, SHAFT, Madhouse, BONES, Gainax and some other companies. So if you want some more or less smooth animation you'll have to check if they made it, especially Kyoto (beware of incredible DOWNS from Kyoto though).
But generally animation is starting to become better nowadays it seems, but it's still pretty bad. But you get used to it, really. I'm a 24FPS freak, but the animation in anime seems perfectly acceptable to me nowadays anyways, it just makes you appriciate it more when they actually bother to animate.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;20329122]I'm full aware of the typically low budgets and ridiculous time constraints, but still. It's basically the same kind of rant where you have a comic where there's too much talk and not enough illustration.[/QUOTE]
True true. But if you're complaining about a show for the animation then it more or less falls into the same principle of complaining about a game for having bad graphics.
As long as it isn't completely fucking terrible then it's the content itself that matters. Is it funny? is it interesting? Etc etc. If that's terrible too, then we're talking.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20329234]That's nonsense. Yes, that applies to a lot of anime, because a lot of anime is complete shit.
That doesn't mean that the Japanese are incapable of animating. Look at Ponyo, that shit is nothing but beautiful animation.[/QUOTE]
Movies =/= Shows
More time, more staff, more money, more everything. You wouldn't expect a movie to be badly animated.
I know you just used it as an example for what they could do, but then I'd rather use something relevant, a show. Like Clannad or Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Now that's animation. (TTGL has a lot of stand stills when there isn't any action. But when there is action... OH MY)
[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;20328751]
Perhaps I should explain. Rather than simply have the characters fighting in the actual environment they're in, quite a few anime shows decide to instead have them fighting against a background which makes no logical sense and looks like a really boring LSD trip.
[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7v7TTa5gc0[/media]
See, this is what it looks like when you aren't purposely watching shit.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;20329378][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7v7TTa5gc0[/media]
See, this is what it looks like when you aren't purposely watching shit.[/QUOTE]
no that dosnt count, cowboy bebop is a freak of nature
even the dubs dont entirely suck
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20329234]That's nonsense. Yes, that applies to a lot of anime, because a lot of anime is complete shit.
That doesn't mean that the Japanese are incapable of animating. Look at Ponyo, that shit is nothing but beautiful animation.[/quote]
Not every studio is Studio Ghibli, unfortunately. Plus that's what a strict budget and deadline can do with a movie and a good studio, it's harder to make a full 50+ episode series with the same budget and deadline. BUT, there are a few shows like Full Metal Alchemist that can pull it off, it's mostly the director's ambition that keeps it from floundering.
[quote]You must. It is made of pure sex.[/QUOTE]
I've heard excellent things about it but I've been too broke to ever get around to buying it, even used. :<
[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;20328751]Every single thing typically associated with anime is shit. Not just the art style, it's the plots, the animation, the voice acting. Everything that can possibly be made fun of is there. But the art style is the worst thing, definitely. Anime was created as a Disney knockoff, and by god if they'd stuck to ripping off disney instead of trying to add their own retarded ideas to it it might still be alright.
[editline]09:31PM[/editline]
Perhaps I should explain. Rather than simply have the characters fighting in the actual environment they're in, quite a few anime shows decide to instead have them fighting against a background which makes no logical sense and looks like a really boring LSD trip.
[img]http://celebrity-photos.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Shinomori-Aoshi-04.jpg[/img]
Note the background.
[editline]09:33PM[/editline]
When [i]Family Guy's[/i] animation looks better than your show's, you've got a serious problem.[/QUOTE]
Good lord, the amount of stupidity this post exudes is staggering.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;20327028]I love the anime hating bandwagon, they just hate because they don't like the art style.[/QUOTE]
Anime is the art style.
I hate Anime.
What was your argument?
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