We can't get rid of guns in America - General

Why ban guns anyways, all we need is just education and a more rigorous process of obtaining them.

[QUOTE=SpySappinMyNick;16556848]Banning guns is a good idea. Prove me wrong. And ''I need to protect myself :downs:'' is not a reason. Edit: Rating me dumb and disagree? Tell me exactly why you need guns?[/QUOTE] [quote]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, [b]shall not be infringed[/b].[/quote] Very simple. There's no reason to argue over free speech either. If someone wants to say our government is evil in public, they have as much right to as I have to own what the fuck ever gun I want. Just like they have every right to say what ever they want about our government or anyone else for that matter.

Just a bit of interesting information... The .950 JDJ is the only commercially available round that is not considered a small arms round by the government. The limit is 20mm. As you could imagine, this far surpasses it. [img]http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/54987.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16556902]Yea, gunlaws don't really do much. Hell, I can violate a federal law by putting in my saiga's factory original low-capacity magazine instead of my US made high capacity magazine. It violates 922r. Does it really matter though? No[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't even know why we have laws as small as this, there's even laws for customer service. I was once at disneyland with my mom and dad and it was my mom's birthday, So she got the birthday pass and we were FORCED to a separate counter for me and my dad's regular admission tickets. The booth lady said something about a california localized law that you cannot handle a free and paid transaction at the same time. WTF. We all have Arnold to thank for this :banjo: EDIT: Drop-Dead Candidate

looks dangerous

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16556421]If you aren't American, then this has no impact on you. [b]Just keep your noise out of other peoples' affairs.[/b] Many countries call the US nosey for getting into other countries' business, which is true. What is also true that these same people are hypocrites, these same people generally like to troll in threads that don't concern them. Edit: Directed @ Johnnymo and thisispain, what the hell do you have against me? Both times I have posted political comments you immediately jump on my back.[/QUOTE] Just like America doesn't HAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=markg06;16557067]Just like America doesn't HAHAHAHA[/QUOTE] Can you read fuckface? [quote][b]Many countries call the US nosey for getting into other countries' business, which is true. What is also true that these same people are hypocrites, these same people generally like to troll in threads that don't concern them.[/b][/quote]

First of all I'd like to point out that obama never intended to ban the guns, just regulate them (as in: more paperwork with getting, selling and keeping firearms and probably also limiting sales a bit to law-abiding citizens) [QUOTE=DrMortician;16556930]Very simple. There's no reason to argue over free speech either. If someone wants to say our government is evil in public, they have as much right to as I have to own what the fuck ever gun I want. Just like they have every right to say what ever they want about our government or anyone else for that matter.[/QUOTE] I'm not the supreme court or anything, but the definition isn't totally clear - at least to me. [quote]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[/quote] Couldn't that be understood as "If a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Or it could be that in the time this was written, everyone was pretty much technically a part of a Militia or something. I mean there's probably a dozen different possible meanings. What's most irritating is that the right is hardly mentioned, and even that in the same sentence as Militia.

Guns are a part of American heritage as well; he's gonna piss off the South. A lot. And you don't want to piss off the south (and the midwest too)

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;16555798]In response to the Obama gun banning thread, there is no way we can get rid of all the guns he says. It doesn't matter if something is illegal. It always ends in more violence than the first place. For example, back in the day when the Government banned alcohol. It made way more violence with gangs and moonshiners transporting alcohol and everyone still got it and the Government ended up lifting the ban as we all know. Another is drugs. Weed, heroin, crack and so on is all banned and illegal but people can still get it. Easily, very easily. If those guns were banned people would still get them. They can't contain it. I don't see how the Government always seems to overlook this.[/QUOTE] In a place like the US where 50% or more of the people already have a gun, this is true. It's one of those laws that has to be in place for a long, long time for it to be effective (or to be implemented when the issue first arises). Australia, for example. Guns are much more rare here, as are gun-related crimes.

[QUOTE=cat man;16556003]I'd leave the country if guns were banned. Common people (Not people who get them illegally) need something to fight back, be it against home invasion or even the government.[/QUOTE] Heh...that is exactly the attitude that is killing your country. Some of the american people seem to be fairly down to earth, but people like you just make me laugh at the ignorance. I have said before that when your government are so corrupt that the people have to rise up, they will have an army to defend them. And by this i do not mean the common soldiery that they have now. I mean mercenaries that are in it for the money. You would all be slaughtered in that situation. As for home defense, have you ever considered that a robber would be carrying a gun because you are too?

[QUOTE=Murkrow;16557491] I'm not the supreme court or anything, but the definition isn't totally clear - at least to me. Couldn't that be understood as "If a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Or it could be that in the time this was written, everyone was pretty much technically a part of a Militia or something. I mean there's probably a dozen different possible meanings. What's most irritating is that the right is hardly mentioned, and even that in the same sentence as Militia.[/QUOTE] Supreme court defined it as an individual's right to own guns. There's only 1 meaning, THAT. No use disputing it, because it's already been ruled on. [editline]06:39AM[/editline] [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16557776]Heh...that is exactly the attitude that is killing your country. Some of the american people seem to be fairly down to earth, but people like you just make me laugh at the ignorance. I have said before that when your government are so corrupt that the people have to rise up, they will have an army to defend them. And by this i do not mean the common soldiery that they have now. I mean mercenaries that are in it for the money. You would all be slaughtered in that situation. As for home defense, have you ever considered that a robber would be carrying a gun because you are too?[/QUOTE] If he's entering my home with a gun, I can assure you I have a much faster and much easier to use weapon pointed at in his face before he can climb up my stairs. Plus I know where everything is with the lights off. He doesn't. Even if he made it all the way in the house, he'd be fucked. You ever had a flash light pointed in your eyes when you're in a pitch black room? Yea well, gun lights aren't just for shits and giggles.

I think we should ban [sp]rap[/sp], just listen to that shit. It's like my ears are melting.

No ones taking my guns. None are registered and nor do they need to be in my state so as far as they know i dont have anything. Quote "If the government were to ban guns, An army of mullets would arise the to the size of which have never been seen before." Public ownership of guns is the reason Japan did not want to attack on american soil. A direct quote is "If we were to invade america there would be a gun behind every blade of grass" "Gun control has cleared the way for seven major genocides since 1915, in which governments gone bad murdered 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children." And this is something to chew on. I live 30 min from where the tech shooting happened and know one of the victims shot Luckly he survived. But Cho had two guns not a single person in any of the classrooms had a gun, Had someone in the first classroom had a gun and shot Cho all the others would have been safe. I'd rather have legally armed citizens than illegally armed outlaws.

yes, it's that balance of ebb and flow that they don't want to rely on. where we see a system of trust that consists of "if you don't shoot me i won't shoot you" they see a bunch of idiots with guns on the edge of creating a giant melee. the public is smart and rational for the most part, but if you leave everything to one governing body to control and protect, what happens when that body is not able to help or isn't righteous in the first place?

[QUOTE=G12-A5;16558590]No ones taking my guns. None are registered and nor do they need to be in my state so as far as they know i dont have anything. Quote "If the government were to ban guns, An army of mullets would arise the to the size of which have never been seen before." Public ownership of guns is the reason Japan did not want to attack on american soil. A direct quote is "If we were to invade america there would be a gun behind every blade of grass" "Gun control has cleared the way for seven major genocides since 1915, in which governments gone bad murdered 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children." And this is something to chew on. I live 30 min from where the tech shooting happened and know one of the victims shot Luckly he survived. But Cho had two guns not a single person in any of the classrooms had a gun, Had someone in the first classroom had a gun and shot Cho all the others would have been safe. I'd rather have legally armed citizens than illegally armed outlaws.[/QUOTE] Oh you did not just say that the Holocaust would have been prevented by gun ownership. That's ignorance of history, not everything is solved with gun ownership.

[QUOTE=MrMISCHIEF;16556037]"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"[/QUOTE] Give this guy every agree possible.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556933]Just a bit of interesting information... The .950 JDJ is the only commercially available round that is not considered a small arms round by the government. The limit is 20mm. As you could imagine, this far surpasses it. [img]http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/54987.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Oh hey sam. Also what gun shoots such a giant bullet?

[quote=theforeigner;16558907]oh hey sam. Also what gun shoots such a giant bullet?[/quote] heavy weapons guy xd

[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;16559052]heavy weapons guy xd[/QUOTE] lolxd

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;16555798]In response to the Obama gun banning thread, there is no way we can get rid of all the guns he says. It doesn't matter if something is illegal. It always ends in more violence than the first place. For example, back in the day when the Government banned alcohol. It made way more violence with gangs and moonshiners transporting alcohol and everyone still got it and the Government ended up lifting the ban as we all know. Another is drugs. Weed, heroin, crack and so on is all banned and illegal but people can still get it. Easily, very easily. If those guns were banned people would still get them. They can't contain it. I don't see how the Government always seems to overlook this.[/QUOTE] The inability to stop something, doesn't justify legalizing it. Should theft become legal, simply because the government is unable to contain it?

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16557096]Can you read fuckface?[/QUOTE] hey guys LAUNCHING MISSILE STRIKES AND ARMED ATTACKS INTO FOREIGN COUNTRIES IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS POSTING IN A THREAD INVOLVING ANOTHER COUNTRY

Well, Heroin and shit is banned, and even though people can still get them easily, it DOES put off many others.

[QUOTE=Kizilbash;16556822]replace guns with freedom and thats how i feel. (you can't say freedom without sounding cheesey anymore) If you ban freedom in such a freedom-loving society, bad things will happen. Not to mention banning freedom before [b]dealing with the underlying problems that cause freedom violence*[/b] will result in even more deaths from the addition of another illegal substance being fought over. (freedom) *thats just silly[/QUOTE] I don't really remember a 4 year old killing his father with freedom.

I think one thing everyone seems to overlook is that introducing new laws and restrictions is just a way for legislators to put the real problem aside - the poor quality of law enforcement. So much of our crime could be stopped if we put a bigger budget into actually equipping police officers properly, giving them better training and putting smarter people at the helm of the patrol officers and detectives. Of course, it's much easier and costs significantly less to just blame the problem on guns, weed, parents, violent videogames, etc.

[QUOTE=thisispain;16556276] yeah i'm so racist jews are evil greedy faggots[/QUOTE] Indeed I saw a parking meter at a jew's house driveway.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16558335] If he's entering my home with a gun, I can assure you I have a much faster and much easier to use weapon pointed at in his face before he can climb up my stairs. Plus I know where everything is with the lights off. He doesn't. Even if he made it all the way in the house, he'd be fucked. You ever had a flash light pointed in your eyes when you're in a pitch black room? Yea well, gun lights aren't just for shits and giggles.[/QUOTE] That's my point. He knows that everyone is armed, but whatever his reason for breaking and entering, he also has a right to defend himself. The thieves have guns because those that they prey on can defend themselves. Plus with the ease of access why wouldn't they be armed. I wish a president would burn that part of the constitution, ban guns for all but hunting and farming uses and be done with it...in the name of peace. Oh and the title should read "we won't get rid of guns in America"

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;16555798][B]It always ends in more violence than the first place.[/B] [/QUOTE] Then why does America have a massive gun crime count? Because you can buy a gun at your local corner shop. I've not heard one gun crime report on the news ( or at least, very, [I]very[/I] few) here in the UK where guns are illegal. I don't see how making guns illegal would mean more crime. Stop selling guns in every shop you go into and people won't have as many guns to commit crimes with.

I love Politics threads on Facepunch, they make me feel all fuzzy inside. You guys is crazy lol

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16560218]He knows that everyone is armed, but whatever his reason for breaking and entering, he also has a right to defend himself.[/QUOTE] are you dumb or just european. [editline]10:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mikeyt493;16560291]I've not heard one gun crime report on the news ( or at least, very, [I]very[/I] few) here in the UK where guns are illegal.[/QUOTE] yeah instead you hear about chavs and drug dealers beating poor strangers to death with bricks and stabbing them with switchblades (which are illegal)