We can't get rid of guns in America - General

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561052]How about a throwing knife.[/QUOTE] emphasis on throwing not intended as a melee weapon

[QUOTE=Cheezy;16561002]It just sounds so damned retarded, I can't believe people are actually using it as an argument. I wasn't trying to be arrogant, sorry.[/QUOTE] Except it's not a retarded argument. It's perfectly valid. If 2 men can hold off an entire police force, imagine what all the armed citizens in America standing up to the government could pull off.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561101]Except it's not a retarded argument. It's perfectly valid. If 2 men can hold off an entire police force, imagine what all the armed citizens in America standing up to the government could pull off.[/QUOTE] It isn't valid, why would your government try to dupe you? Why would they try to kill massive numbers of their own people? Besides, what happens when they call in the army?

[QUOTE=mgear;16558470]I think we should ban [sp]rap[/sp], just listen to that shit. It's like [b]my[/b] ears are melting.[/QUOTE] "my" refers to the disrespectful population

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561101]Except it's not a retarded argument. It's perfectly valid. If 2 men can hold off an entire police force, imagine what all the armed citizens in America standing up to the government could pull off.[/QUOTE] Nothing. The difference being that the police force can't call in A10 support.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561052]How about a throwing knife.[/QUOTE] If you're going to kill someone why not to it humanely? Stabbing someone to death or throwing knives at them is cruel. Hell, most of the time people survive bullet wounds anyway but the pain and forces involved are enough to put them on the ground.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;16561114]It isn't valid, why would your government try to dupe you? Why would they try to kill massive numbers of their own people? Besides, what happens when they call in the army?[/QUOTE] The government is [I]always[/I] trying to dupe the people. Every second of its operation, it seems as of late, is dedicated to centralizing, reserving, and gathering more power for itself. Why can you people not see this? That's the goal of most modern politicians. 90% of all politicians are scum, period. And I heard the army isn't quite having a cakewalk with insurgents over in a certain middle eastern country. :downs:

[QUOTE=Cheezy;16561114]It isn't valid, why would your government try to dupe you? Why would they try to kill massive numbers of their own people? Besides, what happens when they call in the army?[/QUOTE] Because the current population doesn't have a place in a new political agenda. Now days everything gets labeled "Terrorist" if the government wants your support in hating it. All it takes is the government criminalizing anyone who stands in their way and calling them terrorist to get the majority of the public's support. Which would pave the way for something like this. Come on, is it really that complicated? Especially considering people have been arrested for terrorism offenses over things as silly as sparklers. Further proving stuff like this does actually happen and we're not so perfect it can't become a huge ordeal.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561122]Nothing. The difference being that the police force can't call in A10 support.[/QUOTE] They can call in the local military garrison to send an Apache. It's been done.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;16561114]It isn't valid, why would your government try to dupe you? Why would they try to kill massive numbers of their own people? Besides, what happens when they call in the army?[/QUOTE] British colonial government.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16561169]The government is [I]always[/I] trying to dupe the people. Every second of its operation, it seems as of late, is dedicated to centralizing, reserving, and gathering more power for itself. Why can you people not see this? That's the goal of most modern politicians. [B]90% of all politicians are scum, period. [/B] And I heard the army isn't quite having a cakewalk with insurgents over in a certain middle eastern country. :downs:[/QUOTE] based on?

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16561169]The government is [I]always[/I] trying to dupe the people. Every second of its operation, it seems as of late, is dedicated to centralizing, reserving, and gathering more power for itself. Why can you people not see this? That's the goal of most modern politicians. 90% of all politicians are scum, period. And I heard the army isn't quite having a cakewalk with insurgents over in a certain middle eastern country. :downs:[/QUOTE] You guys have no faith what-so-ever in democracy and politics, do you? And the failure of your armed forces is probably because they aren't authorized to shoot everyone on sight.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561182]Because the current population doesn't have a place in a new political agenda. Now days everything gets labeled "Terrorist" if the government wants your support in hating it. All it takes is the government criminalizing anyone who stands in their way and calling them terrorist to get the majority of the public's support. Which would pave the way for something like this. Come on, is it really that complicated? Especially considering people have been arrested for terrorism offenses over things as silly as sparklers. Further proving stuff like this does actually happen and we're not so perfect it can't become a huge ordeal.[/QUOTE] Yet when Bush was busy taking away civil liberties you let him get on with it because he allowed you to have assault rifles.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561207]Yet when Bush was busy taking away civil liberties you let him get on with it because he allowed you to have assault rifles.[/QUOTE] zing

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561207]Yet when Bush was busy taking away civil liberties you let him get on with it because he allowed you to have assault rifles.[/QUOTE] Yea and Obama has done so much to promote free industry by buying up GM and telling them what they can and can't make. Just wait till he creates a monopoly on healthcare. Then people will stop being so ignorant of the situation. All politicians are corrupt, stop playing favorites like some sort of sheep.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561182]Because the current population doesn't have a place in a new political agenda. Now days everything gets labeled "Terrorist" if the government wants your support in hating it. All it takes is the government criminalizing anyone who stands in their way and calling them terrorist to get the majority of the public's support. Which would pave the way for something like this. Come on, is it really that complicated? Especially considering people have been arrested for terrorism offenses over things as silly as sparklers. Further proving stuff like this does actually happen and we're not so perfect it can't become a huge ordeal.[/QUOTE] To me this is just proof that you're too uneducated and not involved with politics enough to keep this from happening. If you as a people don't give a shit about politics, of course it'll run amok on you but that doesn't mean you need guns to protect yourself against it, it means that you'll have to be more politically active.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561235]Yea and Obama has done so much to promote free industry by buying up GM and telling them what they can and can't make. Just wait till he creates a monopoly on healthcare. Then people will stop being so ignorant of the situation. [B]All politicians are corrupt, stop playing favorites like some sort of sheep.[/B][/QUOTE] Based on?

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561235]Yea and Obama has done so much to promote free industry by buying up GM and telling them what they can and can't make. Just wait till he creates a monopoly on healthcare. Then people will stop being so ignorant of the situation. All politicians are corrupt, stop playing favorites like some sort of sheep.[/QUOTE] He is trying to create good healthcare for everyone. Isn't that giving you a liberty. The right to LIVE.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561207]Yet when Bush was busy taking away civil liberties you let him get on with it because he allowed you to have assault rifles.[/QUOTE] itt implying democratic citizens could do anything against the electoral college. It was the first major strangulation of citizens' rights since 1773, you can't be surprised that the populace has little idea on how to react. [editline]11:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561280]He is trying to create good healthcare for everyone. Isn't that giving you a liberty. The right to LIVE.[/QUOTE] The plan has so much unneeded bullshit tacked onto it that it's basically a billion-dollar pit. The average quality of healthcare will go down if they manage to push it through AND fuck it up, which is highly likely in its current state.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561280]He is trying to create good healthcare for everyone. Isn't that giving you a liberty. The right to LIVE.[/QUOTE] It's a right that all other western countries have already got for the last 30 years or so. Even cuba beat you to it.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561235]All politicians are corrupt, stop playing favorites like some sort of sheep.[/QUOTE] Hey, Ron Paul is not corrupt. He's just crazy.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;16561257]To me this is just proof that you're too uneducated and not involved with politics enough to keep this from happening. If you as a people don't give a shit about politics, of course it'll run amok on you but that doesn't mean you need guns to protect yourself against it, it means that you'll have to be more politically active.[/QUOTE] Okay so tell me how, I, myself, can get corrupt politicians out of office and ensure a proper president is elected? I can't. I can't rely on the American public to do it either when they use TV like life support. All I can do is ensure my own well being.

[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16561289]itt implying democratic citizens could do anything against the electoral college. It was the first major strangulation of citizens' rights since 1773, you can't be surprised that the populace has little idea on how to react. [editline]11:23AM[/editline] The plan has so much unneeded bullshit tacked onto it that it's basically a billion-dollar pit. The average quality of healthcare will go down if they manage to push it through AND fuck it up, which is highly likely in its current state.[/QUOTE] You have to wonder why it's so hard to push through a simple free healthcare proposal. Probably because all the opposition aren't thinking about the people who need it, but their own stakes in private companies.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561280]He is trying to create good healthcare for everyone. Isn't that giving you a liberty. The right to LIVE.[/QUOTE] Except it isn't like what Europe has. You're ignorant of how it works. I suggest you read over it before you voice any support on it.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561346]Okay so tell me how, I, myself, can get corrupt politicians out of office and ensure a proper president is elected? I can't. I can't rely on the American public to do it either when they use TV like life support. All I can do is ensure my own well being.[/QUOTE] That's why I wrote "You as a people". You can however be more active as an individual. Perhaps you could give out flyers, encourage people to care more about politics, register for a party and do some volunteering?

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16561386]You have to wonder why it's so hard to push through a simple free healthcare proposal. Probably because all the opposition aren't thinking about the people who need it, but their own stakes in private companies.[/QUOTE] No, they're wondering if they're going to be told to go home and die because the government says they're too old to receive healthcare. [editline]11:31AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cheezy;16561451]That's why I wrote "You as a people". You can however be more active as an individual. Perhaps you could give out flyers, encourage people to care more about politics, register for a party and do some volunteering?[/QUOTE] That's what the 1% revolution did. And as you see, it was still only a 1% revolution. It's too late for any of that. 1 news report on TV gets more peoples' attention than 10 years worth of political banter and handing out flyers on every street corner.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561346]Okay so tell me how, I, myself, can get corrupt politicians out of office and ensure a proper president is elected?[/QUOTE] This is a democratic republic. Meaning: it doesn't matter how strongly you feel you are right: if a majority of the population doesn't agree with you, tough shit. Guess what? 52.9% of the American population thought that Obama would be a more [i]proper[/i] president than McCain. 52.9% of the American population disagreed with you. Just because someone you don't like got elected doesn't mean that the whole government is flawed.

Here's what's going to happen. The good citizens of USA are going to turn in there automatic weapons. Obama is going to melt them down to help the economy since right now, it's pure shit. 2 weeks later when the US citizens don't have any auto weapons, CHINA WILL INVADE and take us over (no pun intended)

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561467]No, they're wondering if they're going to be told to go home and die because the government says they're too old to receive healthcare. [editline]11:31AM[/editline] That's what the 1% revolution did. And as you see, it was still only a 1% revolution. It's too late for any of that. 1 news report on TV gets more peoples' attention than 10 years worth of political banter and handing out flyers on every street corner.[/QUOTE] Well, go on your local TV-station, start a goddamned radio station to broadcast your opinions. Start your own political party?

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16561467] And as you see, it was still only a 1% revolution. It's too late for any of that. 1 news report on TV gets more peoples' attention than 10 years worth of political banter and handing out flyers on every street corner.[/QUOTE] Then you should have acted sooner. If you want to complain when you lose a fair election, that's fine by me. But don't fucking talk about it necessitating some sort of revolution. That's retarded. [b]YOUR SIDE LOSES SOMETIMES[/b] That's a fact in any country that holds elections. Either deal with it, or move to a country where there are no elections.