[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;16562055]Protip, people in the army constantly get scared because [b]they're getting fucking shot at too.[/b]
Joining the army does not suddenly turn you into Rambo with no fear of being in conflict.[/quote]
You really just said what I just explained, civvies buy guns to act all tough and powerful and feel like they mean something in this world when they really don't, if they went and joined the army and shoot someone/got shot back then I doubt they'd love to go shooting for 'sport'. I consider clay shooting a sport, sitting at a target and shooting it all day long? No. I work up a rifle range and have to deal with posh bankers coming down to their holiday homes pretending to be Mr bad ass with a rifle, yes it wants to make you turn Communist/Socialist.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16564296]You lot really are paranoid about your government...i give up.[/quote]
The goal of any modern government is to obtain as much power as it can as quickly as it can. The goal of the people [I]should[/I] be to keep the government limited.
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16564296]It's a shame to say this, but while America exist, world peace is but a dream[/QUOTE]
Iraq was better with Saddam, and Afghanistan was so much better with the Taliban.
America has problems no one is denying that, especially not me, but here you can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on other's rights (at least a few years ago that was the case). I don't expect people who don't live here to understand.
[QUOTE=Kizilbash;16567618]America has problems no one is denying that, especially not me, but here you can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on other's rights (at least a few years ago that was the case). I don't expect people who don't live here to understand.[/QUOTE]
This.
Personal rights are the basis of our country. I see the residents of the EU losing their rights year by year. The government there wants to dictate life from cradle to grave.
What happened to personal freedom? What happened to personal responsibility? What happened to the government's responsibility to do what's right for the people, not for itself?
Install a super capsel in every house in america, if america gets invaded the US Goverment can press a button and the capsels opens and the people in america can defend themselves :D
But seriously i agree with {FP}ST
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;16562501]Or maybe they're a collector? What about hunting? While your reason may apply to some gun owners, that they "think it gives them power", it certainly doesn't apply to all of them. What's wrong with owning more than one gun? What if you enjoy shooting different types of guns?
Why do you need to own more than one car? Why do you need to own more than one property? Don't be so narrow minded.[/QUOTE]
You don't need an assault rifle to hunt. I am sorry that people are evil things, because if they weren't you could have all the guns you want to shoot at targets.
For Facepunch being a pretty smart community, it disappoints me to see so much bullshit about how the government is taking our rights, etc.
[QUOTE={FP}ST;16564650]The goal of any modern government is to obtain as much power as it can as quickly as it can. The goal of the people [I]should[/I] be to keep the government limited.
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What the actual fuck are you talking about? The goal of any modern government is to help the people.
[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16560780]Army/Air National Guard + gun owners of america > active duty military.
It would be a fucking war, the government wouldn't risk it.[/QUOTE]
Well, all of the active duty military would fight AGAINST the government, they are American citizens too. The only thing the government could really use would be mercenaries.
The US military isn't a mindless zombie army they wouldn't turn on civilians that easily.
[QUOTE={FP}ST;16564650]The goal of any modern government is to obtain as much power as it can as quickly as it can. The goal of the people [I]should[/I] be to keep the government limited.
Iraq was better with Saddam, and Afghanistan was so much better with the Taliban.[/QUOTE]
Of the two wars, Afghanistan is the only one i agree with. Iraq was a waste of manpower and human life. The Taliban are dangerous, Saddam Hussein could have been brought down with less violent measures.
And remember, corrupt governement at risk of being killed at the hands of their people make sure they are protected. A mob would be slaughtered.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16561500]This is a democratic republic. Meaning: it doesn't matter how strongly you feel you are right: if a majority of the population doesn't agree with you, tough shit. Guess what? 52.9% of the American population thought that Obama would be a more [i]proper[/i] president than McCain. 52.9% of the American population disagreed with you.
Just because someone you don't like got elected doesn't mean that the whole government is flawed.[/QUOTE]
Popular vote doesn't count, look at Gore vs Bush. The electoral college decides who will run the most powerful country in the world. Gore even brought a law suit upon Bush because Gore won popular, and Bush won electoral. 100% of America could vote for someone, and the other candidate could win if the electoral college majority voted for them.
[QUOTE=Kizilbash;16569099]The US military isn't a mindless zombie army they wouldn't turn on civilians that easily.[/QUOTE]
That depends entirely on how clear-cut a Resistance movement becomes. The American Revolution had its fair share of colonists loyal to and fighting for the crown.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16569668]That depends entirely on how clear-cut a Resistance movement becomes. The American Revolution had its fair share of colonists loyal to and fighting for the crown.[/QUOTE]
Fuckin' Tories.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;16568186]You don't need an assault rifle to hunt. I am sorry that people are evil things, because if they weren't you could have all the guns you want to shoot at targets.
For Facepunch being a pretty smart community, it disappoints me to see so much bullshit about how the government is taking our rights, etc.[/QUOTE]
I would like you to define an assault rifle.
A semi-auto variant of the M4 is not an 'assault rifle'. Neither is the semi-auto version of the AK-47, Steyr AUG, FAMAS, or any other semi-auto variant of an actual military-quality assault rifle. The term 'assault rifle' is just a phrase used by politicians to scare people into thinking about stuff like M249's and M16/4's.
Hell, a Ruger 10/22 is one of the best options that somebody who truely wants an assault rifle in America can get. It's easy to modify it to full auto. In fact, it's legal. WITHOUT registration.
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;16568337]What the actual fuck are you talking about? The goal of any modern government is to help the people.[/QUOTE]
Why are so many governments making attempts at power right now, then? Why are they gobbling up as much as they can? Why is Obama rushing to pass each and every reform of his through? Auto, medical, financial?
I believe Obama is purposefully trying to break this nation. This way, he will have a legitimate 'reason' to re-shape it as he wants it. Only 2% of all stimulus money has been spent, y'know? He rushed to pass it through, why isn't he rushing to actually [I]do[/I] something with it?
[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16555818]I think that if we really wanted to reduce the crime rates we should keep our current gun laws and legalize marijuana. Too much street crime could be prevented if pot dealers weren't terrified of being busted by the 5-0. I think it would be acceptable to believe that a good percentage of gun crime involving gangs, etc is caused because there are a bunch of people stabbing each other in the back over weed.[/QUOTE]
Completly true!
Guns are too neat to ban in America. It would be like banning porn or Harleys.
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or gogurt
quite frankly i think that while banning guns would cause the same effect as prohibition(a little altered because of the different circumstances).
on the topic at hand, while this is not entirely in the federal government's hands(the state determines gun laws), i think they should urge the states to change legilization of guns you can just buy out of any store without registration(changing it so that you have to have a registration for every gun).
I could care less if it's illegal. i'd either buy one underground or steal the one's my unclle left behind and hasnt looked at in 40 years
[QUOTE=Cheat_God;16570018]quite frankly i think that while banning guns would cause the same effect as prohibition(a little altered because of the different circumstances).
on the topic at hand, while this is not entirely in the federal government's hands(the state determines gun laws), i think they should urge the states to change legilization of guns you can just buy out of any store without registration(changing it so that you have to have a registration for every gun).[/QUOTE]
How many times do I need to say it?
Registration is the first step to confiscation.
[QUOTE={FP}ST;16570064]How many times do I need to say it?
Registration is the first step to confiscation.[/QUOTE]
i'd hate to bring this up but........
the VA tech shooter didn't need to register for a gun.....
he just walked in and bought it
then shot people
with the same gun he didn't have to register for to buy
[QUOTE=Cheat_God;16570100]i'd hate to bring this up but........
the VA tech shooter didn't need to register for a gun.....
he just walked in and bought it
then shot people
with the same gun he didn't have to register for to buy[/QUOTE]
Tell me how registering those guns would have saved the people at VT.
We all know it was him. That's the only supposed purpose of registration, to trace guns back to criminals (which it fails miserably at).
that's why i hated to bring it up(bad argument)
but it was the only argument i had
anyways it doesnt fail at tracing back to criminals all the time
therefore on some level it is better than no registration at all
[QUOTE=Cheat_God;16570100]i'd hate to bring this up but........
the VA tech shooter didn't need to register for a gun.....
he just walked in and bought it
then shot people
with the same gun he didn't have to register for to buy[/QUOTE]
registering for the gun wouldn't have stopped him from using it. I don't see your point.
EDIT: nevermind i was late. i'll give myself a late rating. :C
[QUOTE=Cheat_God;16570164]that's why i hated to bring it up(bad argument)
but it was the only argument i had
anyways it doesnt fail at tracing back to criminals all the time
therefore on some level it is better than no registration at all[/QUOTE]
It's help solved less than one dozen crimes in the entire USA.
It's pretty much useless.
And what you're thinking of is background checking. Cho's doctor was the one at fault here. Cho's medical history was actually found hidden in his doctor's house very recently (past few weeks). He kept it from the system, so the mental instability never got into the databases.
We actually might be better off loosening gun control, or at least being more permissive with permits. Since the National Firearms Act was passed in the thirties, only one crime has been committed with a legally owned automatic weapon.
The criminal was a cop.
Disarmament only works if everyone disarms. Criminals will always have guns. Ergo, the people should always have arms.
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You know what country first used gun registration? The Third Reich.
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[QUOTE=FunkyHippo;16555991]Actually we can, but america just doesn't want too because our own government is afraid to have more power.
Pussies.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Also one of the foundations of the American government is that if the population does not like it they can raise a rebellion and start over. The founding fathers KNEW that if the citzens had no way to fight back they could be controlled and they government they stood for and worked for could be change into something perverted. Some say that it HAS changed to something perverted now.
The point is that the goverment is not afraid of more power; it's afraid of what the American population will do if they try to do anything we really, really don't like.
Watch this video, it is of a song of how cocaine and other drugs end up in the US.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJfumftYyxY[/url]
This could eventually apply to guns getting into the country illegally if they are outlawed. Long story short drugs should be legalized to cause less damage to the people who are treated as slaves making it aswell as guns should not be outlawed because the same thing would happen.
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