[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24936360]But because of the degradation of Vinyl, you get a bandpass filter effect as the needle wears away the peaks and lows, rolling off extreme frequencies.[/QUOTE]
Degrading of vinyl is bad, if you take care of them and use a good quality stylus. Degrading won't occur.
I have well cared for albums from 50 years ago sounding much better than CD remasters. Good point though.
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[QUOTE=mikeyt493;24938889]akayz gets off to vinyls[/QUOTE]
Black Sabbath on vinyl > Black Sabbath not on vinyl
:smug:
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[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;24938829]Didn't we already have this CD vs vinyl argument a few weeks back?
I also distinctly remember Akays being the primary combatant for the vinyls, too.[/QUOTE]
Yes :3:
I'm trying to earn vinyl more respect :v:
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;24934883]Akayz is right..
Since vinyl is analogue you don't have to sacrifice anything. With CDs and other [U]digital[/U] media, you will [B]always[/B] lose [B]some[/B] of the actual data. There's no way around it. However, whether this is actually audible is another topic.[/QUOTE]
You actually couldn't be any more wrong. Do you understand what the term 'analogue' means? An analogue recording means it is [I]analogous[/I] to the original. It is not the same, but comparable. Digital has much higher precision for reproducing sound.
We all hear things in analogue dude.
Analogue from the music to Digital to Analogue is how an ipod plays music.
To get the most from vinyl analogue sound, is to have no digitisation in between.
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[QUOTE=TheGuru;24935128] When you convert vinyls to digital formats like FLAC they will sound basically exactly the same as the vinyl, except they are stored in a non-degradable digital format.[/QUOTE]
No.
It will definitely not sound as good when converted to digital. However, there is a good chance it will sound better than the officially digital released stuff.
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[QUOTE=3noneTwo;24936818] save for maybe reading the vinyl with a laser stylus instead of a physical stylus.
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Best possible solution, I agree.
However it is at a price of $15'000 :smug:
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[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;24936939]Records = More expensive
[/QUOTE]
I got an original mint copy of The Yes Album for £5, next point?
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;24941472]You actually couldn't be any more wrong. Do you understand what the term 'analogue' means? An analogue recording means it is [I]analogous[/I] to the original. It is not the same, but comparable. Digital has much higher precision for reproducing sound.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;24936915]What I mean is that when people talk about sound quality, they usually refer to the sampling frequency. And so I said that vinyl is, theoretically, the best format. Since it is analogue, the sampling frequency would therefore be "infinitely high" since you don't digitalize it at all. Keep in mind, I'm on a theoretical level here. [b]I am not saying that vinyl sounds better than cds.[/b] But it [i]would[/i] if every condition was perfect.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;24938829]Didn't we already have this CD vs vinyl argument a few weeks back?
I also distinctly remember Akays being the primary combatant for the vinyls, too.[/QUOTE]
This was originally nothing to do with vinyls, just the sleeves they came in :saddowns:
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24942661]This was originally nothing to do with vinyls, just the sleeves they came in :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
Not my fault :3:
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;24941472]You actually couldn't be any more wrong. Do you understand what the term 'analogue' means? An analogue recording means it is [I]analogous[/I] to the original. It is not the same, but comparable. Digital has much higher precision for reproducing sound.[/QUOTE]
Where did you get that from? - Wrong meaning of the word in this context.
The "Analogue" in "Analogue playback system" refers to how the audio Is represented:
[img_thumb]http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/modules/the_internet/figures/analogue-digital.gif[/img_thumb]
[url]http://services.exeter.ac.uk/cmit/modules/the_internet/slides/ch05s02s01.html[/url]
[url]http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/analogue.htm[/url]
As soon as the audio leaves a CD player (or DAC) it is in "Analogue" form, which is then converted to sound with a transducer (A speaker).
In a perfect world you would have music recorded analogue, mixed and mastered in analogue, distributed in analogue and played back in analogue.... all in a way that didn't impose any quality loss.
[img_thumb]http://db.tt/XsDtxG4[/img_thumb]
(Digital representation of an analogue signal)
As soon as you convert to [i]ANY[/i] "digital" format you loose quality, you [b]CAN NOT[/b] get around this, no matter how large the bit depth or how fast the sample rate the outcome will never be identical. - Whether the loss is audible is the real question.
This pointless conversation can end, and the topic begin.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24942661]This was originally nothing to do with vinyls, just the sleeves they came in :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
Also, WHY did you change your avatar?
:frog:
[QUOTE=Akayz;24943253]Also, WHY did you change your avatar?
:frog:[/QUOTE]
Because David Bowie is cool
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[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;24943151]-INFORMATION-[/QUOTE]
The main advantage of digital is when it's a signal being transmitted - it's a lot easier to clean up a noisy digital signal than it is an analogue one. That's why DAB radios sound so good.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24943586]Because David Bowie is cool[/QUOTE]
Did you hear me?
WHY would you change your avatar?
:ohdear:
Because Syd had a good run gracing my posts with his presence.
I discovered Syd Barrett's first solo album yesterday.
Then you come along and think you can change your avatar to make it all better :colbert:
What are you talking about Syd's first album is pretty good
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24944056]What are you talking about Syd's first album is pretty good[/QUOTE]
Nevermind, mate :smug:
Could've been a good banter, but oh well.
[QUOTE=Akayz;24941913]No.
It will definitely not sound as good when converted to digital. However, there is a good chance it will sound better than the officially digital released stuff.[/QUOTE]
To the human ear, it should sound exactly the same. The only reason CDs don't sound like vinyls straight out of production is because all of the imperfections that make vinyls sound good to you don't occur in the CD mastering process.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;24943151](Digital representation of an analogue signal)
As soon as you convert to [I]ANY[/I] "digital" format you loose quality, you [B]CAN NOT[/B] get around this, no matter how large the bit depth or how fast the sample rate the outcome will never be identical. - Whether the loss is audible is the real question.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Akayz;24941913]No. It will definitely not sound as good when converted to digital.[/QUOTE]
This has been refuted a few times.
Myth: "Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary."
Truth: "This statement is, of course, mistaken on several points, but remains a popular belief among many non-technical audiophiles and listeners. Obviously it shows a misunderstanding of Nyquist's theorem, but also a failure to recognize - or acknowledge - that the "data present in an analog groove" is limited in any way."
Truth 2: "I love that little jab at Nyquist. Because as I found while researching A/D converters last week, Claude Shannon's elaboration on Harry Nyquist's original paper means that a sampled analog recording does, in fact, contain every bit of information under the Nyquist limit. That's the whole point of the theorem--given a bandlimited signal, there is only one possible way to recreate it using the samples. Saying that digital "can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove" is not only hyperbolic, but it's also completely false."
Truth 3: "The Wired blogger lists his qualifications on the subject as playing bass and riding a bicycle (I’m not sure if that means he does both at the same time), but regardless – he is mistaken in perpetuating this myth. The Nyquist theorem is a proven fact, and it is very true. As an audiophile I take no issue with anyone’s subjective preference, but having a preference doesn’t make the science wrong."
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TLDR: As far as fidelity and accuracy, CD wins - hands down. Which format sounds better is all up to the individual. Vinyl isn't the medium with the best fidelity, but the imperfections in it, are, in my opinion, what makes it sound good.
[QUOTE=TheGuru;24949350]To the human ear, it should sound exactly the same. The only reason CDs don't sound like vinyls straight out of production is because all of the imperfections that make vinyls sound good to you don't occur in the CD mastering process.[/QUOTE]
Converting to digital will lose more of the sound than pure analogue signals.
I've tried it many a time. In the end, digital music is on its own, then there are vinyl.
[QUOTE=Pal13;24950844]This has been refuted a few times.
[/quote]
Please provide sources.
I google'd them to find the sources and all 3 talk about this in relation to vinyl (and indeed audibility). What I meant is a digital system in general, a digital representation of an analogue signal Can never be 100% accurate, [i]whether this is audible is the real question[/i]. (Which I guarantee it's not given sufficient rate and depth) - But put the produced wave into an oscilloscope and look at the signal close enough I guarantee that you will see the affects of sampling.
Digital only works in audio because we know the range that we likely want to sample, 20hz-20khz for most.
For what it is worth I am pro Digital. - It has made music accessible and helped bands distribute their music, It's even made producing the music in the first place much less of a pain. I have never said any format "sounds better", that's subjective.
Also I just thought up a major brainfuck.
If I recorded a song in 88,200Khz and only used the even numbered sample points, and left all the odd numbered sample points at 0. If then someone re-sampled this to 44,100khz and did so using the odd numbered samples, They would end up with no audio. - Gross misuse of digital audio, hehe.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24919726][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/3674209852_0d960f1938.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
op is a badass
respect++
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[QUOTE=Floyd Pinkerton;24957305]op is a badass
respect++
[img_thumb]http://anyhub.net/file/image062.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Picture_33.jpg[/img]
Fuck yeah
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24957348][img_thumb]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Picture_33.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Oh nice, I've been wanting to get my hands on The Wall and Wish You Were Here.
I thought I was buying The Wall off ebay, but I accidentally bought the 45 of 'Another Brick in the Wall', so that pissed me off.
Your avatar makes me think you might like this though:
[img]http://anyhub.net/file/image064.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Floyd Pinkerton;24957402]Your avatar makes me think you might like this though:
[img_thumb]http://anyhub.net/file/image064.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
That's cool. I have a copy of Let's Dance (although it only has the inner sleeve, not the cover D:) and a friend of mine has Ziggy and Hunky Dory.
I also think my great uncle has a copy of Aladdin Sane he doesn't want :iia:
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;24956695]Please provide sources.
I google'd them to find the sources and all 3 talk about this in relation to vinyl (and indeed audibility). What I meant is a digital system in general, a digital representation of an analogue signal Can never be 100% accurate, [I]whether this is audible is the real question[/I]. (Which I guarantee it's not given sufficient rate and depth) - But put the produced wave into an oscilloscope and look at the signal close enough I guarantee that you will see the affects of sampling.
Digital only works in audio because we know the range that we likely want to sample, 20hz-20khz for most.
For what it is worth I am pro Digital. - It has made music accessible and helped bands distribute their music, It's even made producing the music in the first place much less of a pain. I have never said any format "sounds better", that's subjective.[/QUOTE]
My bad - got confused with what I was arguing with. There are two parts of accuracy being discussed, the technical and practical. We agree on everything related to the two.
Technical
1. Digital can never sample analog signals 100% accurately.
2. Theoretically, frequency band response is infinite on analog recordings.
Practical
1. The difference is rarely perceptible unaided.
2. There are many factors, stated in this thread and more, that give vinyl, overall, lower fidelity versus CD and lossless files.
There is no factually superior one; only pros, cons, and individual preferences. Anyone who says a format is absolutely superior is ignorant.
P.S. My collection is mostly vinyl and lossless.
How did a thread about CD cases (items that don't have [I]anything[/I] do do with sound quality) to an argument about the audio quality of CDs and vinyl relative to each other? We seem to be a bunch of easily distracted audiophiles...
oh you silly audiophiles
[QUOTE=King_of_Town;24959121]oh you silly audiophiles[/QUOTE]
Seriously, not my fault :3:
I just love mi music, sounding pure :smug:
[QUOTE=King_of_Town;24959121]oh you silly audiophiles[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, there are zero audiophiles in this thread, just informed people. Generally audiophiles ignore the 'science.' They buy expensive and exotic needles, preamps, turntables, and vinyl cleaners. And, spend obscene amounts of money upgrading their gear convinced that the gains to be made in quality are huge.
I'm not obsessively concerned with achieving the highest quality playback. The composition and production is more important to me. A 320kbps mp3 won't prevent me from enjoying the music.
My ipod and my vinyls. :smug:
I have cassettes and cds but they are just there for the sake of it for me :v:
I dislike it when I open a CD and the plastic that holds the disk in place is all cracked in the middle leaving you with a case full of broken plastic.
Been thinking about this a lot over the past few weeks. Digipaks (and other paper based CD cases) beat the crap outta shitty jewel cases.
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[QUOTE=Akayz;24920068]Long live vinyl.
Death to CD.
:v:[/QUOTE]
+1 :v:
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