[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51907661]That is exactly what lip sync means mate.[/QUOTE]
Lip sync means matching animation to the words being said. You're being way, way too specific.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907692]Lip sync means matching animation to the words being said. You're being way, way too specific.[/QUOTE]
Uh so you repeat exactly what I've been saying this whole time. That syncing means syncing. Now tell me where absolute lifelike quality comes into, "Lip sync means matching animation to the words being said."
Do you not see the clear contradiction and misunderstanding of my entire point?
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51907735]Uh so you repeat exactly what I've been saying this whole time. That syncing means syncing. Now tell me where absolute lifelike quality comes into, "Lip sync means matching animation to the words being said."
Do you not see the clear contradiction and misunderstanding of my entire point?[/QUOTE]
If the facial animations don't look lifelike then how can you consider them as being matched to the words being said? I can't tell if you're being serious right now by the way. Are you seriously saying the the entirety of the lipsync process is making a mouth open and close in time with words?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907741]If the facial animations don't look lifelike then how can you consider them as being matched to the words being said? I can't tell if you're being serious right now.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're reading my posts for comprehension or not.
SWTOR has horrible facial animations, but the lips animations/syncs are pretty great.
Even has tongue movement.
[editline]3rd March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907741]Are you seriously saying the the entirety of the lipsync process is making a mouth open and close in time with words?[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what lip syncing is. The lips matching the words. Has nothing to do with the rest of the face.
Lip is in the name.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51907752]SWTOR has horrible facial animations, but the lips animations/syncs are pretty great.
Even has tongue movement.
[editline]3rd March 2017[/editline]
That is exactly what lip syncing is. The lips matching the words. Has nothing to do with the rest of the face.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying if I make a mouth open and close in time with words with no subtlety or effort, that's good lip syncing?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907773]So you're saying if I make a mouth open and close in time with words with no subtlety or effort, that's good lip syncing?[/QUOTE]
If a lip reader can make it out, I'd say it is good.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51907780]If a lip reader can make it out, I'd say it is good.[/QUOTE]
Well a lip reader would never be able to make out the "lip syncing" in HL2 or Conker's Bad Fur Day, or just about any game before ~2010 or so.
To help you out, "lip syncing" and "facial animation" are interchangeable terms.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907788]Well a lip reader would never be able to make out the "lip syncing" in HL2 or Conker's Bad Fur Day, or just about any game before ~2010 or so.[/QUOTE]
I don't think HL2's animations are all that good.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907692]Lip sync means matching animation to the words being said. You're being way, way too specific.[/QUOTE]
Let's get this point straight then. Even if the animation correctly matches the words spoken, yet one of the two lags behind the other, this is still considered [I]synced[/I] in your book?
Think about what you are suggesting. If I do foley art of a person stepping down a flight of metal stairs and the tinks sound perfectly appropriate but are half a second off, is this audio synced?
No way.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51907796]I don't think HL2's animations are all that good.[/QUOTE]
So you agree that making a mouth open and close in time with words isn't all that's involved with lip syncing then?
I think both of you are arguing about two different things.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51907800]Let's get this point straight then. Even if the animation correctly matches the words spoken, yet one of the two lags behind the other, this is still considered [I]synced[/I] in your book?
Think about what you are suggesting. If I do foley art of a person stepping down a flight of metal stairs and the tinks sound perfectly appropriate but are half a second off, is this audio synced?
No way.[/QUOTE]
If one lags behind the other, then the animation doesn't match the words being spoken, does it?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907788]Well a lip reader would never be able to make out the "lip syncing" in HL2 or Conker's Bad Fur Day, or just about any game before ~2010 or so.[/QUOTE]
Didn't even talk about lip syncing in Conker, I talked about the band to make a point on generally syncing audio to animation.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907788]To help you out, "lip syncing" and "facial animation" are interchangeable terms.[/QUOTE]
Hell no they aren't.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907805]So you agree that making a mouth open and close in time with words isn't all that's involved with lip syncing then?[/QUOTE]
Yes and no.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51907820]Yes.[/QUOTE]
That's my entire point.
I changed my answer.
Making sure the mouth/lips are opening and closing in time with the words is still lip syncing, it just isn't considered good lip syncing in this day and age.
In early 2000s or late 1999 it would have still been called lip syncing.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51907832]I changed my answer.
Making sure the mouth/lips are opening and closing in time with the words is still lip syncing, it just isn't considered good lip syncing in this day and age.
In early 2000s or late 1999 it would have been called lip syncing.[/QUOTE]
So when he says the game has bad lip syncing, you'd agree with my interpretation that he meant the quality/accuracy of the animations?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51907840]So when he says the game has bad lip syncing, you'd agree with my interpretation that he meant the quality/accuracy of the animations?[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you don't bother to read the elaborations I've given in every post.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51907847]Maybe if you don't bother to read the elaborations I've given in every post.[/QUOTE]
You didn't clarify what you meant until post 28 and even after that you continued to argue that lip sync had nothing to do with the quality of the animation. Obviously now I understand what you mean, but you can't seriously expect me to have understood that from how vague the original post was.
or... post 14, my second post
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1555197&p=51907241&viewfull=1#post51907241[/url]
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51907871]or... post 14, my second post
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1555197&p=51907241&viewfull=1#post51907241[/url][/QUOTE]
Hardly.
[QUOTE=Silverlan;51907163][T]http://sciolyte.com/sharex/chrome_2017-03-03_20-02-47.png[/T][/QUOTE]
Considering they actually facecapped Dormer that is batshit bad.
His facial animation looks more like a tech demo than an actual human being looking around.
Reminds me of this:
[video=youtube;HjHiC0mt4Ts]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHiC0mt4Ts[/video]
Here's an example of a talking cutscene with a lot less polished animation- sometimes it's really bad splining etc, but still:
[video]https://youtu.be/33HtFykAs6Y?t=680[/video]
(11:20 if it doesn't automatically go there, also just skip around to get a good idea of what i'm talking about)
Every action on each character's face has timing and most importantly, a purpose. Lipsync sometimes feels a bit off, but it still feels good. Also Brutal Legend's cutscene animations tend to isolate one object with motion while keeping everything still- it can look amateurish, but it actually retains a lot of visual clarity... unlike mocap data, which has really no rests or pauses. Imo it looks great, compared to these cutscenes.
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