[QUOTE=RichyZ;49763562]elaborate[/QUOTE]
I hope they do still try and pay even a twitter messages attention when lets say, someone who is Hispanic is dealing with something like police brutality
[QUOTE=J!NX;49763559]I guess that is true at least. But what happens when someone else needs their help?[/QUOTE]
During the Freddie Grey Baltimore riots they (BLM) protected stores owned by black people as the asian, white and hispanic owned stores were looted.
During a Ferguson protest a young black girl was shot by some protesters. BLM kept silent and didn't make a big deal out of it. When whites, asians or hispanics are brutalized or killed by the police we see nothing from BLM.
The tunnel vision harms their cause more than anything.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49763552]focusing on one group is how you get shit done, police brutality reform would positively affect everyone anyway[/QUOTE]
A specific issue focus is far more effective than a specific race focus. Say, for example, focusing on every instance of police brutality.
Everyone is just using "racist" as a buzzword in this thread. Please define what is racist. Is it racist to understand the idea that the races can be different or 'better/worse' in certain ways.
There is a lot of evidence in favor of this idea, and yet you all think its evil to even consider it. I'm sorry but evolution allows for genetic variation in humans deeper than skin color. Queue everyone jumping on me as evil for even considering this.
IQ is tied deeply to your genetics, and race is entirely genetics. Double twin studies which have been conducted countless times and show this conclusively, and show just how tied to your genes IQ is.
[url]http://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html[/url]
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49762183]Since when did Facepunch turn into Stormfront[/QUOTE]
"I disagree with you"
"you're a nazi"
[QUOTE=std DONOR;49764218]Is it racist to understand the idea that the races can be different or 'better/worse' in certain ways.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[editline]18th February 2016[/editline]
If you think your racism is good, or justified, or backed up by science, then that's another conversation. But yes, it is racist.
[video=youtube;piwaBO6U43U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piwaBO6U43U[/video]
This guy explains where I stand on BLM pretty well. Racism against black people is still a problem that gets black people killed but not nearly on the scale that BLM seems to believe. They are transferring attention from huge factors like education, gang culture and family to racism which seems to be a much smaller factor.
[editline]18th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=std DONOR;49764218]Everyone is just using "racist" as a buzzword in this thread. Please define what is racist. Is it racist to understand the idea that the races can be different or 'better/worse' in certain ways.
There is a lot of evidence in favor of this idea, and yet you all think its evil to even consider it. I'm sorry but evolution allows for genetic variation in humans deeper than skin color. Queue everyone jumping on me as evil for even considering this.
IQ is tied deeply to your genetics, and race is entirely genetics. Double twin studies which have been conducted countless times and show this conclusively, and show just how tied to your genes IQ is.
[url]http://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Whether there are races or not in our specie is a very controversial discussion among biologists. There are certainly phenotypes regularly prevalent in black people that aren't prevalent in white people (skincolor, disease risk, bonestructure etc.) and vice versa. The question is are there enough to define races? There isn't one true clear scientific definition of what a race is and therefore there isn't consensus on the subject. What there is consensus on however is that taxonomic division of our specie is of no value to us because even if there are different races we shouldn't treat each other differently.
Some people will argue that admitting that there are races technically makes you racist, but you are only the "bad" kind of racist if you think of races in terms of better and worse and/or think that we should treat each other differently because of it.
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49762983]OK let me rephrase myself, the literal phrase all lives matter isn't racist in and of itself. It's the way it is used to undermine and sometimes villainize BLM by saying "Oh you people are racist and elitist, I think ALL lives matter." Which is stupid, BLM isn't about "black supremacy", it's about equality.
Saying All Lives Matter is akin to saying "Oh, me? I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian, I don't believe women are superior to men."[/QUOTE]
Using the Feminist/Egalitarian analogy is fucking dumb.
BY DEFINITION OF EGALITARIAN:
[quote]of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.[/quote]
THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL
meaning
REGARDLESS OF FUCKING RACE OR GENDER
Now, Feminism on the other hand:
[quote]the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.[/quote]
Which has already been achieved and is now a rotting horse that continues to be beaten, when the feminist movement started it was for white women to have equal political and social status to WHITE MEN. Now it tries to stay relevant by saying 'oh! we stand for EVERYONE! but we aren't egalitarian you sexist shitlords!'
Which has been achieved, because women are earning the same as men, and actually earning more in their late 20's/early 30's and people like to cry about the wage gap myth and not consider the hours worked, professions and occupations that a gender is more likely to enter, and overtime worked. Women can hold political office, and even run for president. Women can become CEO's or working on board of directors. More women are graduating college then men and eventually will hold more white collar jobs then men. Women are becoming primary breadwinners.
The BLM movement is nothing at all like the feminist topic.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49765266]
Which has been achieved[/QUOTE]
It hasn't, sorry c:
Prove to me that women are officially, undoubtedly, nowhere can we see bias 100% the same as men, and that men also don't have to be forced into roles of the family or society that they don't feel comfortable in.
Try it. Fucking try it.
[I]You can't.[/I]
Feminism isn't entirely about money or position. There are still roles in society for both men and women that are forcefully created and sometimes violently enforced.
"b-buh egali--" stop. Find me an egalitarian movement that has done [I]shit[/I] in the past 10 years.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49765401]It hasn't, sorry c:
Prove to me that women are officially, undoubtedly, nowhere can we see bias 100% the same as men, and that men also don't have to be forced into roles of the family or society that they don't feel comfortable in.
Try it. Fucking try it.
[I]You can't.[/I]
Feminism isn't entirely about money or position. There are still roles in society for both men and women that are forcefully created and sometimes violently enforced.
"b-buh egali--" stop. Find me an egalitarian movement that has done [I]shit[/I] in the past 10 years.[/QUOTE]
What is 100% "the same"? You leave it so vague, you don't explain what your idea of "the same" is.
Women don't want to be forced into roles they don't want? What are these roles you speak of? The role of "the housewife"? The role that women can choose to not follow? What else is this "social role"? You expect me to answer something that you don't even ask or tell what it is? What do you fight for?
It is about position, that is where the roots originate. The same political position as men, being able to vote and having a voice in the government that rules over us. Economic position? Being able to lead a successful career and have a family or follow your own path regardless of what your social peers think?
[I]Because you can.[/I] The only one who holds you back in this day is [I]you[/I]. Violently enforced? Do you have any examples?
BLM is a movement about the hardships that the black community faces today, in Chicago or Baltimore with the continued hostility and mistrust between law enforcement. But there are also more factors at play here, which is explained in the Larry Elder interview video a poster generously provided. It cannot possibly be compared to the feminist movement.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49765266]Which has been achieved[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it has not. Specifically, not in the middle east and some eastern countries (though this is rapidly changing I hear, I don't keep up with the news over there so I'm not 100%). I shouldn't really have to tell you about the conditions for women in places like Saudi, so I'm just gonna assume you know what I'm talking about. My point being, feminism's goal is worldwide and far from being reached.
Even so, the west has some social issues, I find. It's not really apart of our culture anymore for women to be the designated housewife, but women are sort of taught to look pretty and act cute to make it easy in life. We've sure as [I]fuck[/I] gotten better than a few decades ago, but the issue I brought up is still worth taking into consideration, at least in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49765401]stuff[/QUOTE]
Advice; nobody's going to listen to you if you act hard and mean, especially on a forum. You'll only be turning away potential supporters.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;49765737]Unfortunately, it has not. Specifically, not in the middle east and some eastern countries (though this is rapidly changing I hear, I don't keep up with the news over there so I'm not 100%). I shouldn't really have to tell you about the conditions for women in places like Saudi, so I'm just gonna assume you know what I'm talking about. My point being, feminism's goal is worldwide and far from being reached.
Even so, the west has some social issues, I find. It's not really apart of our culture anymore for women to be the designated housewife, but women are sort of taught to look pretty and act cute to make it easy in life. We've sure as [I]fuck[/I] gotten better than a few decades ago, but the issue I brought up is still worth taking into consideration, at least in my opinion.
Advice; nobody's going to listen to you if you act hard and mean, especially on a forum. You'll only be turning away potential supporters.[/QUOTE]
No doubt, its goal has yet to reach all across the globe but in regards to the western world specifically it 99% has. Your point on women being taught to act cute to get through life is something that will fizzle out soon in our generation as people will soon stop looking for such traits I'm sure.
The middle east, nothing short of waiting a few centuries to catch up is all we can do for them.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49764257]"I disagree with you"
"you're a nazi"[/QUOTE]
"how dare you make these slanderous accusations of racism when I applaud and agree with actual white supremacists and their actual white supremacist beliefs."
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49767260]"how dare you make these slanderous accusations of racism when I applaud and agree with actual white supremacists and their actual white supremacist beliefs."[/QUOTE]
Is that what that person or people is/are doing though (the person, or people, ImpSnob and therefore proboards was responding to)? Weren't they making it clear that they were talking about this issue specifically (on BLM) and not white supremacy? What about the people who made different arguments on the matter and didn't agree with Jared Taylor but still disagreed with BLM based on the arguments they laid out in the thread, they were also clumsily brushed under the same rug.
Just calm the fuck down people, stop calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist or a SJW. It's confusing and these pejorative terms are fucking useless and do nothing but make you look like an asshole and an idiot who can't hold an argument without screaming obscenities at somebody like a 12-year old on Xbox live.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;49764446][video=youtube;piwaBO6U43U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piwaBO6U43U[/video]
This guy explains where I stand on BLM pretty well. Racism against black people is still a problem that gets black people killed but not nearly on the scale that BLM seems to believe. They are transferring attention from huge factors like education, gang culture and family to racism which seems to be a much smaller factor.
[/QUOTE]
This is what I have always maintained. Poverty is the source of crime, and a good education can lead out of poverty. This is fucking sociology 101, but the problem is allocating the correct funds to school and even THEN throwing money at a problem never did anything without a proper plan. Fucking hell this issue is so enormous.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49761904]
People refuse to acknowledge the far left, and people like Jared Taylor step in to fill in the void.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, quite a lot of people are acknowledging the far left if you ask me...
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;49763144]
All Lives Matter is like saying "Oh you crybabies, we ALL have problems!" When in reality, you don't all have problems. White people don't need to fear that they will be discriminated against by police, or anyone.[/QUOTE]
Yeah instead white people deal with a system that demerits them in favor of colored people with similar achievements/aptitude and a society that basically says that they are the problem whether they're actually racist or not
There's a difference between:
1) Person X is a racist, therefore they are not a good authority on racial issues.
and
2) Person X is a racist, therefore their arguments are wrong.
The first is legitimate, the second is not.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49767260]"how dare you make these slanderous accusations of racism when I applaud and agree with actual white supremacists and their actual white supremacist beliefs."[/QUOTE]
Yes, because agreeing with a person on one thing means you agree with them on everything.
[QUOTE]Yeah, the Autobahn was a great idea.[/QUOTE]
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