[QUOTE=whitespace;21718879]Songs with no standard structure are awesome if done right. Probably 50% of the artists I listen don't use standard structure.
Is Progressive the term for "no-specific-structure" by the way?
Edit:
Just read about it, it's part of Progressive music.[/QUOTE]
progressive has two meanings one meaning different and "progressing" music and the other is prog which pretty much means it sounds how yes/genesis did in the 70s.
Okay, so I'm not going to retype my big old post that I did (my Internet died right when I hit post, and I lost the post), so I'm just going to sum up what that post said:
I've never been given an explicit definition of "progressive" music. Saying that the music "progresses" doesn't tell me jack shit.
On the most basic level, all music progresses. For every second that passes, new audio information is emitted; a progression of audio emission over time.
If by "progressing," it is meant that the music progresses through a story, then doesn't that make [b]any[/b] metal album tied together with some sort of central concept "progressive"?
If by "progressing," it is meant that the band's music evolves over time, then wouldn't that technically mean that "progressive" is [b]not[/b] a genre, because it's not so much a technique as it is a [b]record[/b] of a band's technique?
All I want is a clear, explicit definition of "progressive." :colbert:
Progressive usually means music of a genre (or subgenre) that EXTREMELY stretches the limits of it in terms of technicality both in virtuosity and the structures of the songs themselves.
Examples of Prog within genres:
Toxik is known as one of the few Prog Thrash Metal bands
Atheist was the first Prog death metal band
Check out anything by them and you can fairly quickly tell that they are stretching the boundaries of their genre, the same way Floyd, King Crimson, and Rush did with Hard Rock in the 70s.
A really easy way to decide if a band is prog or not is to see if they have ever covered a song by any 70s prog band, like Rush, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes, etc.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;21709782]The lyrics automatically make it terrible. Where they're coming from musically is automatically stupid as well. Christian musicians = Great! Christian Rock Bands = Terrible!
Underoath has NO musical talent, neither does August Burns Red. I'd like to see either of those bands showing ANY virtuosity. They simply don't have any. These are the type of guys that grew up playing Korn songs.[/QUOTE]
It's funny, you call of this "pop-metal", yet A Day to Remember has even admitted that they mix pop and metal. DevilDriver is fucking ruined by the fact that their vocalist can't scream for shit, and his low's are really generic. And Shadows Fall sound a lot like metallica, just a tad heavier.
Underoath on the other hand, has a drummer/singer combo who actually is good. Along with a screamer and singer, the actually harmonize, which is uncommon. Since the drummer has no double bass pedal, there's hardly and low chord chugging. Their guitarists and bassist actually fit along with each other, perfectly.
August Burns Red is opposite of Underoath, but still have far more talent than the bands you (hopefully joking) stated. Their drummer is up there with the more talented drummers in metal. The guitars' riffs blend well with chords. The vocalist isn't the main item, but he provides the perfect blend of depth in the song.
Lyrics don't represent the whole song. If you think that, then you seriously have a warped view on how music goes.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;21721287]It's funny, you call of this "pop-metal", yet A Day to Remember has even admitted that they mix pop and metal. DevilDriver is fucking ruined by the fact that their vocalist can't scream for shit, and his low's are really generic. And Shadows Fall sound a lot like metallica, just a tad heavier.
Underoath on the other hand, has a drummer/singer combo who actually is good. Along with a screamer and singer, the actually harmonize, which is uncommon. Since the drummer has no double bass pedal, there's hardly and low chord chugging. Their guitarists and bassist actually fit along with each other, perfectly.
August Burns Red is opposite of Underoath, but still have far more talent than the bands you (hopefully joking) stated. Their drummer is up there with the more talented drummers in metal. The guitars' riffs blend well with chords. The vocalist isn't the main item, but he provides the perfect blend of depth in the song.
Lyrics don't represent the whole song. If you think that, then you seriously have a warped view on how music goes.[/QUOTE]
Dez from DevilDriver can scream just fine... What are you on about? He goes for a mid scream that fits metalcore most of the time, but he can scream just fine.
Protest The Hero is one my favorite bands, Kezia was fucking amazing.
The one thing I cannot stand is Avenged Sevenfold. I just hate everything about that band.
[QUOTE=Water|Marine;21721465]Protest The Hero is one my favorite bands, Kezia was fucking amazing.
The one thing I cannot stand is Avenged Sevenfold. I just hate everything about that band.[/QUOTE]
Fucking agreed.
I smiled for a second when I heard The Rev died. Then I realised how terrible a person that makes me :saddowns:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21721450]Dez from DevilDriver can scream just fine... What are you on about? He goes for a mid scream that fits metalcore most of the time, but he can scream just fine.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I like Dez's vocals.
But then, I love [i]The Fury of Our Maker's Hand[/i] in its entirety.
Fuck it, I just love groove metal. :v:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t1hNYN7R0Y[/media]
0:17 and 0:40 :rock:
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;21722081]Personally, I like Dez's vocals.
But then, I love [i]The Fury of Our Maker's Hand[/i] in its entirety.
Fuck it, I just love groove metal. :v:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t1hNYN7R0Y[/media]
0:17 and 0:40 :rock:[/QUOTE]
I agree. I generally like most things about DevilDriver, they're a pretty good form of metalcore I'd say.
Okay, well, here's another thing that I've never really found a difference in.
What exactly defines the difference between metalcore and other forms of heavy metal, like, for example, melodic death metal.
For example, we have these metalcore bands:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1CFV3RLLNw[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEr1g82X3o[/media]
That, in my opinion, sound far more like melodic death metal than generic metalcore (BFMV, KSE, Atreyu, etc)
And then we have these melodic death metal bands:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxJiKXrGbo[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBoQ1icWuhc&feature=related[/media]
Which, in my opinion, sound far closer to "metalcore" than melodic death metal.
And let's not forget the bands that have "metalcore" and other genres in their names, like Sylosis:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKQYQ9sNWiE[/media]
Which I hear called anything [b]but[/b] metalcore (melodic death metal, melodic thrash metal, "modern" thrash metal, etc) which sounds more metalcore than anything else I posted in this thread.
Where exactly is the line drawn? :confused:
[editline]fish[/editline]
I didn't include them, but bands that fall under the "metalcore that sounds closer to MDM" include Sonic Syndicate and Threat Signal (which, while I don't particularly like either, I would technically consider MDM rather than metalcore).
Converge is the shit, I always thought they were hardcore though. Seeing them next week :D
I love how NONE of the bands in the OP are even metalcore.
[editline]08:49PM[/editline]
LOVE:
ABACABB
THE ACACIA STRAIN
After the Burial
The Agonist
Arsonists get all the Girls
As Blood Runs Black
Asking Alexandria
Atilla
August Burns Red
Behemoth
Beneath the Massacre
Black Dhalia Murder
BORN OF OSIRIS
Broadcast the Nightmare
Carnifex
Cholera
The Crimson Armada
Darkest Hour
A Day to Remember
TDWP
The Demonstration
Dying Fetus
Emmure
Emmarosa
THE FACELESS
HERE COMES THE KRAKEN
I see stars
Impending Doom
JOB FOR COWBOY
Knights of the Abyss
Lamb of God
Miss May I
Mychildren Mybride
OCEANO
PARKWAY DRIVE
Salt the Wound
Sea of Treachery
Seneca
Settle the Sky
SUICIDE SILENCE
Texas in July
THY ART IS MURDER
WAR FROM A HARLOTS MOUTH
WHITECHAPEL
WINDS OF PLAGUE
HATE!
Atreyu
AFI
All that Remains
Avenged Sevenfold
Bullet for my Valentine
Bring me the Horizon
DRAGONFORCE LOLOLOL
Five finger death punch
HIM
THREE DAYS GRACE
NICKELBACK
DISTURBED
ALL THAT OTHER MAINSTREAM BULLSHIT!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21721450]Dez from DevilDriver can scream just fine... What are you on about? He goes for a mid scream that fits metalcore most of the time, but he can scream just fine.[/QUOTE]
He sounds like he just puts a slight scratch on a voice, and bellows out words. It kind of sounds like slipknot in some ways.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;21726868]He sounds like he just puts a slight scratch on a voice, and bellows out words. It kind of sounds like slipknot in some ways.[/QUOTE]
That's fine though, if it's not what you like, cool though. I find few screamers not enjoyable as long as they give full performances and don't just half ass it. As a death metal vocalist myself, I know how it can be to put them down fully energetically and lamely.
[QUOTE=Candels;21724743]I love how NONE of the bands in the OP are even metalcore.
[editline]08:49PM[/editline]
LOVE:
ABACABB
THE ACACIA STRAIN
After the Burial
The Agonist
Arsonists get all the Girls
As Blood Runs Black
Asking Alexandria
Atilla
August Burns Red
Behemoth
Beneath the Massacre
Black Dhalia Murder
BORN OF OSIRIS
Broadcast the Nightmare
Carnifex
Cholera
The Crimson Armada
Darkest Hour
A Day to Remember
TDWP
The Demonstration
Dying Fetus
Emmure
Emmarosa
THE FACELESS
HERE COMES THE KRAKEN
I see stars
Impending Doom
JOB FOR COWBOY
Knights of the Abyss
Lamb of God
Miss May I
Mychildren Mybride
OCEANO
PARKWAY DRIVE
Salt the Wound
Sea of Treachery
Seneca
Settle the Sky
SUICIDE SILENCE
Texas in July
THY ART IS MURDER
WAR FROM A HARLOTS MOUTH
WHITECHAPEL
WINDS OF PLAGUE
HATE!
Atreyu
AFI
All that Remains
Avenged Sevenfold
Bullet for my Valentine
Bring me the Horizon
DRAGONFORCE LOLOLOL
Five finger death punch
HIM
THREE DAYS GRACE
NICKELBACK
DISTURBED
ALL THAT OTHER MAINSTREAM BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]
Disturbed is nu metal, Dragonforce is power metal, and you have no idea what you're talking about
[editline]06:09AM[/editline]
And I believe Dying Fetus is death metal
[QUOTE=mynames2long;21729690]Disturbed is nu metal, Dragonforce is power metal, and you have no idea what you're talking about
[editline]06:09AM[/editline]
And I believe Dying Fetus is death metal[/QUOTE]
I know, I was going through Cores/metal that I favored in general. I don't care much about genre specification, it's not that important enough for me to wig out over it like you.
I used to like metalcore and hardcore and all that kind of stuff
now I like post hardcore, I think it's awesome
[editline]04:45PM[/editline]
[quote=candels;21724743]i love how none of the bands in the op are even metalcore.
[editline]08:49pm[/editline]
love:
Abacabb
the acacia strain
after the burial
the agonist
arsonists get all the girls
as blood runs black
asking alexandria
atilla
august burns red
behemoth
beneath the massacre
black dhalia murder
born of osiris
broadcast the nightmare
carnifex
cholera
the crimson armada
darkest hour
a day to remember
tdwp
the demonstration
dying fetus
emmure
emmarosa
[B]the faceless[/B]
here comes the kraken
i see stars
impending doom
job for cowboy
knights of the abyss
lamb of god
miss may i
mychildren mybride
oceano
parkway drive
salt the wound
sea of treachery
seneca
settle the sky
suicide silence
texas in july
thy art is murder
war from a harlots mouth
whitechapel
winds of plague
hate!
Atreyu
afi
all that remains
avenged sevenfold
bullet for my valentine
bring me the horizon
dragonforce lololol
five finger death punch
him
three days grace
nickelback
disturbed
all that other mainstream bullshit![/quote]
you think the faceless are metalcore?
Hahah
Oh god I just went through that list. I hope you're not serious
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;21730221]you think the faceless are metalcore?
Hahah
Oh god I just went through that list. I hope you're not serious[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Candels;21729893]I know, I was going through Cores/metal that I favored in general. I don't care much about genre specification, it's not that important enough for me to wig out over it like you.[/QUOTE]
There.
And Candels, All That Remains have some really good music. Don't be hating them.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21722475]I agree. I generally like most things about DevilDriver, they're a pretty good form of metalcore I'd say.[/QUOTE]
They're not really metalcore
[QUOTE=Candels;21724743]I love how NONE of the bands in the OP are even metalcore.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Candels;21729893]I know, I was going through Cores/metal that I favored in general. I don't care much about genre specification, it's not that important enough for me to wig out over it like you.[/QUOTE]
Way to contradict yourself
[QUOTE=Candels;21724743]I love how NONE of the bands in the OP are even metalcore.
[editline]08:49PM[/editline]
LOVE:
ABACABB
THE ACACIA STRAIN
After the Burial
The Agonist
Arsonists get all the Girls
As Blood Runs Black
Asking Alexandria
Atilla
August Burns Red
Behemoth
Beneath the Massacre
Black Dhalia Murder
BORN OF OSIRIS
Broadcast the Nightmare
Carnifex
Cholera
The Crimson Armada
Darkest Hour
A Day to Remember
TDWP
The Demonstration
Dying Fetus
Emmure
Emmarosa
THE FACELESS
HERE COMES THE KRAKEN
I see stars
Impending Doom
JOB FOR COWBOY
Knights of the Abyss
Lamb of God
Miss May I
Mychildren Mybride
OCEANO
PARKWAY DRIVE
Salt the Wound
Sea of Treachery
Seneca
Settle the Sky
SUICIDE SILENCE
Texas in July
THY ART IS MURDER
WAR FROM A HARLOTS MOUTH
WHITECHAPEL
WINDS OF PLAGUE
HATE!
Atreyu
AFI
All that Remains
Avenged Sevenfold
Bullet for my Valentine
Bring me the Horizon
DRAGONFORCE LOLOLOL
Five finger death punch
HIM
THREE DAYS GRACE
NICKELBACK
DISTURBED
ALL THAT OTHER MAINSTREAM BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]
Half of those aren't even metalcore of any kind. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
[editline]11:12AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Candels;21729893]I know, I was going through Cores/metal that I favored in general. I don't care much about genre specification, it's not that important enough for me to wig out over it like you.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but still tell me how in ANY WAY Behemoth are metalcore
Awesome band though
Hahaha, oh my god that's so funny
I mean usually I'm not a genre nazi but fuck
gonna go thru a run through here
After the Burial - experimental metalcore
As Blood Runs Black - deathcore
August Burns Red - actually metalcore
A Day to Remember - post hardcore
TDWP - scenecore (lol)
Emarosa - post hardcore
THE FACELESS - deathcore
I see stars - post hardcore
JOB FOR COWBOY - deathcore
Lamb of God - groove metal
OCEANO - deathcore
PARKWAY DRIVE - hardcore
SUICIDE SILENCE -deathcore
THY ART IS MURDER - deathcore (I think)
WHITECHAPEL - deathcore
Alright, some are probably wrong but at least I don't think they're all metalcore
[editline]08:23PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Candels;21729893]I know, I was going through Cores/metal that I favored in general. I don't care much about genre specification, it's not that important enough for me to wig out over it like you.[/QUOTE]
No you're right, it's not important. The music is
The problem is, you're completely wrong.
Like, amazingly and incredibly wrong
What you're saying pretty much is that The Beatles
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;21731536]Hahaha, oh my god that's so funny
I mean usually I'm not a genre nazi but fuck
gonna go thru a run through here
After the Burial - experimental metalcore
As Blood Runs Black - deathcore
August Burns Red - actually metalcore
A Day to Remember - post hardcore
TDWP - scenecore (lol)
Emarosa - post hardcore
THE FACELESS - deathcore
I see stars - post hardcore
JOB FOR COWBOY - deathcore
Lamb of God - groove metal
OCEANO - deathcore
PARKWAY DRIVE - hardcore
SUICIDE SILENCE -deathcore
THY ART IS MURDER - deathcore (I think)
WHITECHAPEL - deathcore
Alright, some are probably wrong but at least I don't think they're all metalcore
[editline]08:23PM[/editline]
No you're right, it's not important. The music is
The problem is, you're completely wrong.
Like, amazingly and incredibly wrong
What you're saying pretty much is that The Beatles[/QUOTE]
Do you have to be such a dick about it? Are you the music nazi who no one likes so you find solace in the fact that you're "right", sitting there in the corner with your :smug: face?
[QUOTE=Candels;21724743]I love how NONE of the bands in the OP are even metalcore.
[editline]08:49PM[/editline]
LOVE:
ABACABB
THE ACACIA STRAIN
After the Burial
The Agonist
Arsonists get all the Girls
As Blood Runs Black
Asking Alexandria
Atilla
August Burns Red
Behemoth
Beneath the Massacre
Black Dhalia Murder
BORN OF OSIRIS
Broadcast the Nightmare
Carnifex
Cholera
The Crimson Armada
Darkest Hour
A Day to Remember
TDWP
The Demonstration
[b]Dying Fetus[/b]
Emmure
Emmarosa
[b]THE FACELESS[/b]
HERE COMES THE KRAKEN
I see stars
Impending Doom
JOB FOR COWBOY
Knights of the Abyss
Lamb of God
Miss May I
Mychildren Mybride
OCEANO
PARKWAY DRIVE
Salt the Wound
Sea of Treachery
Seneca
Settle the Sky
SUICIDE SILENCE
Texas in July
THY ART IS MURDER
WAR FROM A HARLOTS MOUTH
WHITECHAPEL
WINDS OF PLAGUE
HATE!
Atreyu
AFI
All that Remains
Avenged Sevenfold
Bullet for my Valentine
Bring me the Horizon
[b]DRAGONFORCE LOLOLOL[/b]
Five finger death punch
HIM
THREE DAYS GRACE
[b]NICKELBACK
DISTURBED
ALL THAT OTHER MAINSTREAM BULLSHIT![/b][/QUOTE]
Please take your musical retardation and leave this place.
[QUOTE=demisemiquaver;21731736]Do you have to be such a dick about it? Are you the music nazi who no one likes so you find solace in the fact that you're "right", sitting there in the corner with your :smug: face?[/QUOTE]
he's not being a dick that guy just doesn't seem to know his genres well at all
What the fuck are you all talking about? DevilDriver is not fucking metalcore! It's bloody groove metal ffs!
[QUOTE=Candels;21724743]HIM[/QUOTE]
Thats not even metal.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;21731901]he's not being a dick that guy just doesn't seem to know his genres well at all[/QUOTE]
Thank you
[editline]09:36PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=demisemiquaver;21731736]Do you have to be such a dick about it? Are you the music nazi who no one likes so you find solace in the fact that you're "right", sitting there in the corner with your :smug: face?[/QUOTE]
No, he's just labelled some of my favourite bands into something that they are most definately not.
I know the cores are generic, but even if they have a similar name eg core at the end they are in fact completely fucking different.
[editline]09:37PM[/editline]
But you're right, no it doesn't really matter if you get a small error in genre
This time however it's on a massive scale
Behemoth and Dying Fetus as metalcore
That's like saying The Beatles are heavy metal
^
let's just drop it.
He is wrong, but we don't need to drag on about it, nothing worse than elitists
Only modern metalcore-ish band I can stand is Trivium because I enjoyed their last album. But metallic hardcore is where it's at.
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