lool we finally have body cams and that's what everybody's been asking for and now the argument is "but did he shoot him enough??"
Cops were actually lucky. One, I have no idea why the male cop thought it was okay to turn his back to the suspect when they were leaving the restaurant, the perp could have easily put a few in his back if he had a real gun. Two, the female cop grabbed her taser first then had to re-holster then draw her sidearm then fire. Luckily the male was quick with his reflexes, but a lot could have went wrong and they are lucky it didn't.
The female officer sounds so choked up when she radios it in :(
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48104486]they're meant to disorientate criminals and blind them with rapid bright lights[/QUOTE]
idk why you are all rating this funny, this is literally the purpose of weapon mounted strobe lights
CNN BREAKING: STRAIGHT WHITE COPS KILL LATINO FOR PLAYING WITH TOY GUN!
Kinda funny how these things got implemented because of outcry about so-called "Bad shootings" and it seems like now, the vast majority of news coming out involving them usually clears the cops of any supposed wrong doing instead of the other way around, much to the dismay of the people who pushed them so hard, I'm sure.
[QUOTE=Justin Case;48106571]The female officer sounds so choked up when she radios it in :([/QUOTE]
Don't blame her. That shit would leave most people shaken up and she still managed to keep a cool head all things considered.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48106771]Kinda funny how these things got implemented because of outcry about so-called "Bad shootings" and it seems like now, the vast majority of news coming out involving them usually clears the cops of any supposed wrong doing instead of the other way around, much to the dismay of the people who pushed them so hard, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's dismay as much as closure.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48106771]Kinda funny how these things got implemented because of outcry about so-called "Bad shootings" and it seems like now, the vast majority of news coming out involving them usually clears the cops of any supposed wrong doing instead of the other way around, much to the dismay of the people who pushed them so hard, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
I, for one, am very glad that this is happening. I've always believed that most police shootings are justified, and I hate it when people shit on police for doing their jobs. Bodycams are the best way to show the public that police don't just draw their guns and shoot people willy nilly: when it happens there's usually a very good reason for it.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103238]Man they shot off a lot of rounds even after he was already down.
Then again they're not SWAT or military so they probably aren't expected to be as coordinated or efficient.
Still though. That's a shitty situation to be in all around like you can literally break the whole thing down second by second.[/QUOTE]
aside from the obvious "shoot till he's not moving anymore", shooting to wound and shooting to maim is needlessly cruel. Better off just pumping the guy full of lead till he's dead.
This video is bizarre, it doesn't look like what media has trained us to think of as real so it's not even disturbing as it should be.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48106771]Kinda funny how these things got implemented because of outcry about so-called "Bad shootings" and it seems like now, the vast majority of news coming out involving them usually clears the cops of any supposed wrong doing instead of the other way around, much to the dismay of the people who pushed them so hard, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
maybe because the "bad" shootings are now harder to pull off when they know that everything is being recorded? Not to be super anti cop but yeah, body cameras protect innocent people from police brutality as well as help to justify proper force, works both ways
Guy drew a gun first, and then the officers responded to the threat of their life appropriately, by shooting the person who pulled a gun on them. They secured the gun and then called for backup/help.
They did exactly what they were supposed to do.
as long as they don't turn off the cameras or something, which is something I was concerned about when it came to body cams
Asshole's only courtesy was pulling the gun outside where there was much less collateral; call it collective fortune he ended up getting tossed onto the lawn & not towards the windows.
Scary shit in every way, and it still seemed like they were too slow to put him down.
If it was a regular drunkard with a real gun it probably would have ended the same, but if the guy was actually practiced? He definitely would've let least one round slip..
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;48102855]People don't think, they panic.
As for the video, those were a lot of shots. We're taught to shoot till effective, not when someones already on the ground. Probably the adrenaline but still, you don't want to kill the guy.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the PD. In the USA, Academies teach officers that once you've decided a life is in danger and you have to use your gun, then you don't puss about, you fucking use it until the situation is under control. None of this draw, fire two shots, then stop to see if he's giving up. You shoot until it's done. The decision was already made that you have to use lethal force, so you get lethal. And that's that. You want to use more force than necessary to stop a life and death situation rather than not enough
Aren't Walmart employees instructed to leave shoplifters/criminals alone and call the cops or security? They were following him and if it was a real gun they could of been killed.
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;48102855]People don't think, they panic.
As for the video, those were a lot of shots. We're taught to shoot till effective, not when someones already on the ground. Probably the adrenaline but still, you don't want to kill the guy.[/QUOTE]
anyone with half a brain should understand that if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill them
unless there are any wild hypothetical scenarios someone can come up, don't shoot anything ever unless you intend and are willing to destroy it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfUBZptZ9Q[/media]
Side by side
Glad that the footage is so clear and that it saved the cops in this scenario, they we're really quick with reaction time and did a great job. No idea what the guy was thinking, even if it was a water gun or something how stupid could you be? Probably, indeed wanted to be shot by a cop or something.
What a total idiot, and what a great thing that these body cams saved the cops here.
Good reaction time, if it was a real gun and would've done the same the suspect wouldn't stand a chance!
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=StrykerE;48110463][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfUBZptZ9Q[/media]
Side by side[/QUOTE]
Really makes you realize how good they reacted and how quick. The gun was just taken out of his pants and within 2 seconds (0:54) they push him away and take action. Wonderful job, great handling.
Can someone explain why they proceeded to shoot him till death when he was tazed and already shot at least 4 times while falling on the ground?
Not trying to start about "TRIGGER HAPPY COPS, FUCK DA POLICE", genuinely curious. Adrenaline and fear?
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48111202]Can someone explain why they proceeded to shoot him till death when he was tazed and already shot at least 4 times while falling on the ground?
Not trying to start about "TRIGGER HAPPY COPS, FUCK DA POLICE", genuinely curious. Adrenaline and fear?[/QUOTE]
He was still moving. You don't stop shooting until the threat is neutralized.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48111202]Can someone explain why they proceeded to shoot him till death when he was tazed and already shot at least 4 times while falling on the ground?
Not trying to start about "TRIGGER HAPPY COPS, FUCK DA POLICE", genuinely curious. Adrenaline and fear?[/QUOTE]
It's been explained at least 4-5 times in thread. Once you draw your weapon and open fire you shoot til the target is neutralized. None of that "oh why didn't you shoot him in the leg" shit that people keep spewing (some are jokes but some people are serious about it).
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;48111281]It's been explained at least 4-5 times in thread. Once you draw your weapon and open fire you shoot til the target is neutralized. None of that "oh why didn't you shoot him in the leg" shit that people keep spewing (some are jokes but some people are serious about it).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, okay, fair enough, I was just confused that Officer Griffin proceeded to shoot a corpse, basically.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48111386]Yeah, okay, fair enough, I was just confused that Officer Griffin proceeded to shoot a corpse, basically.[/QUOTE]
In that split second moment when she realized she needed to draw her gun, before he was on the ground she had commited to firing. When it's your life or your partners potentially about to be ended you don't hesitate or have time to stop and assess the situation. You act on instinct and training.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48103238]Man they shot off a lot of rounds even after he was already down.
Then again they're not SWAT or military so they probably aren't expected to be as coordinated or efficient.
Still though. That's a shitty situation to be in all around like you can literally break the whole thing down second by second.[/QUOTE]
In any job where you're dealing with fire-arms one of the first thing's they teach you is don't point a gun and or pull the trigger at someone or something unless you have the intention to kill said thing. Gun's aren't toys and humans aren't invincible, being shot pretty much anywhere in the body can prove to be fatal if you're unlucky. When you start shooting at someone specifically you shoot to kill if you got a edge over them. It's only for stuff in the military like checkpoint duty where you fire a warning shot near them.
It's a split second decision you make in the moment, and the outcome means death for one of you. If you don't kill them before they kill you, and then approach them thinking they are dead there's no stopping them from getting up and trying to kill you again.
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
It's a shame what happened, but it definitely wasn't unprovoked.
While the male officer reacted quickly the female officer other than calling GUN GUN GUN fucked up she pulls out her tazer realizes her mistake re-holsters it and then pulls her service weapon had the Sgt. not been there and not reacted as quickly as he did and had the target had a real gun officer griffin may very well of ended up pushing up daisies
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48111202]Can someone explain why they proceeded to shoot him till death when he was tazed and already shot at least 4 times while falling on the ground?
Not trying to start about "TRIGGER HAPPY COPS, FUCK DA POLICE", genuinely curious. Adrenaline and fear?[/QUOTE]
Something I learned in Afghanistan is that even if a talib is on the ground wounded, it doesn't take him a long time to grab a grenade or something and pull the pin.
I'd imagine the same logic applies here.
[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;48111598]While the male officer reacted quickly the female officer other than calling GUN GUN GUN fucked up she pulls out her tazer realizes her mistake re-holsters it and then pulls her service weapon had the Sgt. not been there and not reacted as quickly as he did and had the target had a real gun officer griffin may very well of ended up pushing up daisies[/QUOTE]
This was already mentioned in the thread, why don't you try reading before spewing shit.
She pulled her taser because the suspect reached into his pocket. She clearly said that he shouldn't try anything. When it turned out he pulled a gun instead she holstered her taser and grabbed her gun.
b-but its an invasion of my privacy and rights
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
It's incredible that people can actually be against bodycams
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