[QUOTE=Justin Case;48106571]The female officer sounds so choked up when she radios it in :([/QUOTE]
To be fair she did just shoot a man, probably for the first time. In that situation it's not uncommon for people to become overwhelmed by emotions, all in all she handled herself professionally, a lot of people put in the same scenario throw up convulsively.
[QUOTE=Notanything;48104737]Is there any chance of body cameras becoming more mainstream, and perhaps mandatory? Body cameras seem to be very useful, and well worth the investment. As this footage shows, it would probably even prevent a few headaches whenever cops have to use lethal force.[/QUOTE]
There was actually a cop convention in the same building I was taking classes in earlier this Summer and at least for a few days they were discussing the use of body cameras.
Also I'm glad someone else earlier pointed out how Green pushed the knife away on the table. A untrained person might have missed that in that situation, but it goes far to show that he knows what he's doing.
[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;48103169]Really cool that we can watch both officers' body cams.
It's good that US cops have body cams, in my country the cop probably will get fired and thrown to jail for up to ten years (without body cams)[/QUOTE]
And really some cops might not even want to have to shoot their gun. Taking a person's life, even in self defense can eat at a person.
[QUOTE=Asgard;48112286]This was already mentioned in the thread, why don't you try reading before spewing shit.
She pulled her taser because the suspect reached into his pocket. She clearly said that he shouldn't try anything. When it turned out he pulled a gun instead she holstered her taser and grabbed her gun.[/QUOTE]
I can read just fine unless I'm missing something at late 0:54 the beginning of 0:55 she calls GUN nothing in her hands mid 0:55 she drops into a firing stance and pulls her tazer late 0:56 tazer comes up mid 0:57 she drops the tazer and presumably re-holsters/draw's service weapon late 0:59 gun comes up early 1:00 to late 1:00 3 shots from officer griffin. So unless I'm missing something major she knew the suspect had a gun before she drew her tazer
It's almost as if she had a split second to make a decision during which the threat switch from "he's doing something odd I'm going to taze him" to "it's a gun". She probably drew the taser as a reflex because she already had her hand on it at that point. What is your point?
are y'all watching the same video as I am?
my point is and has always been tactically in a suspect with a gun situation officer griffin made a tactical snafu. and no it wasn't from a "threat switch" before she draws at 0:55 while still yelling GUN GUN GUN she has her strong hand everywhere but on her tazer or service weapon. Hell before 0:55 while still yelling gun she pushes the suspect with her strong hand. I get it heat of the moment but still had sgt green not been there A. drawing a tazer and presumably firing it with the threat aimed in your general direction not the smartest idea and B. taking 5 seconds to remedy your snafu and draw your service weapon = one possibly dead cop
I'll agree it was a good shoot and body cameras proved that but much like watching football tape it also allows us and the officers to see what could of been done better and that could of been done better
So your point is that she made a mistake in the heat of the action? Yeah, we know.
[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;48115835]are y'all watching the same video as I am?
my point is and has always been tactically in a suspect with a gun situation officer griffin made a tactical snafu. and no it wasn't from a "threat switch" before she draws at 0:55 while still yelling GUN GUN GUN she has her strong hand everywhere but on her tazer or service weapon. Hell before 0:55 while still yelling gun she pushes the suspect with her strong hand. I get it heat of the moment but still had sgt green not been there A. drawing a tazer and presumably firing it with the threat aimed in your general direction not the smartest idea and B. taking 5 seconds to remedy your snafu and draw your service weapon = one possibly dead cop
I'll agree it was a good shoot and body cameras proved that but much like watching football tape it also allows us and the officers to see what [B]could of[/B] been done better and that could of been done better[/QUOTE]
*could've
[QUOTE=BlackBirdNL;48102855]People don't think, they panic.
As for the video, those were a lot of shots. We're taught to shoot till effective, not when someones already on the ground. Probably the adrenaline but still, you don't want to kill the guy.[/QUOTE]
You're right about shoot to stop threat, but I can't see the guy's hands until after they stop shooting when he hits the ground. If the gun's still in his hand, he's still a threat.
Same line of thinking about handcuffing someone you've shot that's on the ground.
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;48115835]are y'all watching the same video as I am?
my point is and has always been tactically in a suspect with a gun situation officer griffin made a tactical snafu. and no it wasn't from a "threat switch" before she draws at 0:55 while still yelling GUN GUN GUN she has her strong hand everywhere but on her tazer or service weapon. Hell before 0:55 while still yelling gun she pushes the suspect with her strong hand. I get it heat of the moment but still had sgt green not been there A. drawing a tazer and presumably firing it with the threat aimed in your general direction not the smartest idea and B. taking 5 seconds to remedy your snafu and draw your service weapon = one possibly dead cop
I'll agree it was a good shoot and body cameras proved that but much like watching football tape it also allows us and the officers to see what could of been done better and that could of been done better[/QUOTE]
All your training degrades when you're in a life or death situation. She survived and so did her partner, and that's mission accomplished. Monday morning quarterbacking it won't change what happened.
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;48110455]anyone with half a brain should understand that if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill them
unless there are any wild hypothetical scenarios someone can come up, don't shoot anything ever unless you intend and are willing to destroy it.[/QUOTE]
No, you shoot until the threat on your life stops. All weapons police carry are defensive weapons and shooting someone solely to end their life is an offensive action. If you testify in court or to an internal review board that you shot someone "to kill them," you're going to wind up in prison.
The force of shooting someone is likely to cause great bodily injury or death, yes, but the end goal is to stop them from doing the same to you or others, not to execute them. The persons performing the threat surviving and facing court is just as acceptable of an outcome in a lethal force scenario as them bleeding out before the ambulance gets there.
Please, please don't try to tell people this when you don't understand how use of force works.
Died in the Applebee's parking lot, what a way to go.
[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;48115835]are y'all watching the same video as I am?
my point is and has always been tactically in a suspect with a gun situation officer griffin made a tactical snafu. and no it wasn't from a "threat switch" before she draws at 0:55 while still yelling GUN GUN GUN she has her strong hand everywhere but on her tazer or service weapon. Hell before 0:55 while still yelling gun she pushes the suspect with her strong hand. I get it heat of the moment but still had sgt green not been there A. drawing a tazer and presumably firing it with the threat aimed in your general direction not the smartest idea and B. taking 5 seconds to remedy your snafu and draw your service weapon = one possibly dead cop
I'll agree it was a good shoot and body cameras proved that but much like watching football tape it also allows us and the officers to see what could of been done better and that could of been done better[/QUOTE]
Tasers aren't for people pulling guns on you.
[QUOTE=ep9832;48117147]Died in the Applebee's parking lot, what a way to go.[/QUOTE]
With a Walking Dead hat to boot.
I've never seen those before. They aren't wearing a body camera. It's like a headset that has a camera on it. You can see it when the officer looks back at the other and that is also why everytime they turn their head the entire camera turns with them.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;48117822]I've never seen those before. They aren't wearing a body camera. It's like a headset that has a camera on it. You can see it when the officer looks back at the other and that is also why everytime they turn their head the entire camera turns with them.[/QUOTE]
It's built into their glasses.
I wish I knew what make and model it was, all the cameraglasses I've seen are either cheap chinese nobranders or bluetooth-mp3-autofellatio devices with tons of shit I don't need.
Right now I'm using the 10-8 BC-1 and it's pretty great, but the software is ass and it has a nasty habit of dropping out of video standby without telling you
[url]http://www.10-8video.com/products/body-camera/[/url]
I don't see how you guys don't think the cops didn't act accordingly?
No police organisation anywhere in the world will tell you to shoot to wound, that's not what they do. When an officer draws their weapon there's only one way the situation is going to end and that's with the suspect dying.
That's why drawing a firearm is ultimate last resort, in this video you can clearly see that the police would have 0 time to evaluate what that gun was, fake or not. They don't have time to ask or "assume". When someone pulls out something that looks like a gun, it is a gun and you treat it like a gun.
And therefore the cops in their minds were in serious danger, when a police officer feels their life is in serious danger it gives them the ability to draw their firearm to neutralise the threat at all cost.
If they shot him in the arm and tasered him, it still (in some cases) wouldn't be enough, that guy could have the ability to pick up his weapon and try again or try to attack the police officers. You have to make sure he is either dead or too seriously hurt to try again.
You can't expect the police to not take this shit seriously, that's absurd. The police acted responsibly and within their rights and I'm glad neither were punished.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48118298]No police organisation anywhere in the world will tell you to shoot to wound, that's not what they do. When an officer draws their weapon there's only one way the situation is going to end and that's with the suspect dying.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, but you are correct in that they're not trained to "shoot to wound." The shots they take intent to stop the threat immediately and absolutely, and the amount of damage that it will inflict is likely to cause, as stated by policy, "great bodily injury and/or death."
We're not talking nonlethal versus lethal, we're talking "shoot him in the arm!!!" versus "Shoot him until he's no longer an immediate danger to your or other's life/lives."
I really don't like mincing words, but it's the truth, and there's a big difference. I get what you're saying and appreciate you being aware of the general idea, though.
Not only is it really dark outside, the officers still stopped shooting the moment the gun was out of his hands. In that kind of situation they still were thinking clearly and not firing blindly. Thank god the body cams were there.
Also, this "shoot to kill" vs "shoot to w/e" thing is dumb. You shoot until you're safe. That's the bottom line.
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;48111281]It's been explained at least 4-5 times in thread. Once you draw your weapon and open fire you shoot til the target is neutralized. None of that "oh why didn't you shoot him in the leg" shit that people keep spewing (some are jokes but some people are serious about it).[/QUOTE]
just shoot the gun out of his hand! happens allllll the time in western films guys, not that hard! :smile:
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
its fucking depressing that people actually think like this too
thankfully I've not seen any posts even slightly close to that here and very rarely see it on facepunch
Sgt. Greens reaction and movement is pretty impressive, holy shit.
Reminds me of a dramatic incident happened not long ago to a cop in my country,
A dude was high on drugs he took a meat cleaver and slashed a cops foot until the cop was down on the ground, and then as he rushed towards the cop, the cop drew his gun and shot him in the chest while down on the ground.
The cop reacted very fast too, considering the cops in my country are not allowed to kill any suspects until they are [B]HARMED.[/B]
im idiot
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;48124336]lol that ~female~ police officer was so terrible, i could have done so much better
i would have performed my naruto gaitensi guido ninjutsu, instant teleported behind the shooter, slice him with my vintage katana in one clean cleave, tip my flame-printed fedora, reach into my cargo pants and leave a rose laying on his body, as i walk away with a smirk
then i say to the officer "nothing personnel kid, someday you might be close to being as good as me"[/QUOTE]
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
[QUOTE=BandClassHAH;48124370]Ironic shitposting is still shitposting[/QUOTE]
i thought it was funny but ill snip it then
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48111386]Yeah, okay, fair enough, I was just confused that Officer Griffin proceeded to shoot a corpse, basically.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a video game; some people can die from a single shot while some can take multiple. You don't stop firing until they are done for.
why does it matter how many bullets were fired? their intention was to kill him, and they did that. does it somehow make a difference if they used 2 shots or 20 shots to do so?
[QUOTE=kr1f333;48125436]why does it matter how many bullets were fired? their intention was to kill him, and they did that. does it somehow make a difference if they used 2 shots or 20 shots to do so?[/QUOTE]
One sounds more violent and messy, that's it, really.
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