How much physical data makes up a person and teleportation - General

[QUOTE=ArcNova;15992111]We already knew it was possible because animals could do it. I've never seen anything teleport.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you never watched Heroes? [editline]11:37PM[/editline] or Star Trek for that matter [editline]11:37PM[/editline] or Jumper

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993102]It get us EVERYWHERE! Because we're not wasting time [B]researching impossibilities.[/B][/QUOTE] all research is valuable. Extremely exaggerated example: "i'm gonna jump off this cliff to see if humans can fly!" Because of him we know we can't fly.

[QUOTE=TheFallOTroy;15993493]I'm guessing you never watched Heroes? [editline]11:37PM[/editline] or Star Trek for that matter [editline]11:37PM[/editline] or Jumper[/QUOTE] Fiction doesn't count. You're a horrible troll.

[img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/6308/6308.jpg[/img] Hang on boys, i wanna show you somethin.

[QUOTE=Doriol;15993492]They didn't think you could split atoms, either. Also, way to be a condescending asshole.[/QUOTE] True, but they didn't have evidence that it was impossible! and, sorry for coming across that way. Im not a dick, really.

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993558]True, but they didn't have evidence that it was impossible![/QUOTE] I'm sure they did have "evidence" that it wasn't possible. I'm sure people had "evidence" that the earth is flat. You don't have evidence that teleportation is impossible. You don't have evidence of anything. You're not a physicist.

[QUOTE=dryer-lint;15992133]Aliens of course. :downs: [editline]10:02PM[/editline] More like 88 petabytes.[/QUOTE] 16 Yottabytes

[QUOTE=Doriol;15993568]I'm sure they did have "evidence" that it wasn't possible. I'm sure people had "evidence" that the earth is flat. You don't have evidence that teleportation is impossible. You don't have evidence of anything. You're not a physicist.[/QUOTE] This is getting tiresome. You don't need to be a physicist to realise that teleportation cannot happen. I mean you can say "We don't know, maybe in the future people will look back at this as we do on the whole 'earth being flat' scenario." But we do know, because of the sheer level of dificulty involved in the process. Sure, there was difficulty in landing on the moon, but its nothing compared to successfully transporting an object through space in an instant.

I think "teleportation" is possible however it would be extremely complicated. You would probably need to convert mass to energy then find a way to transport that energy without losing any or much of it and then convert the energy back into mass. If you sent an apple through that you would get a deformed apple on the other side 99% of the time though. I came up with that and im a total dumbass. I do know that mass can be converted to energy and vice versa though so in theory it would work.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3576594.stm[/url] Not sure on the truth of it, but it's better than having no source at all.

In theory you'd have to find something that can go faster than the speed of light and if even if you could find a way to do that without tearing a hole in the Earth and killing every living thing, explain to me how you're going to utilize that power. I'll believe Steven Hawking's research according to his book over some no-named scientist any day, especially ones that are still in university and in their early twenties.

[QUOTE=Sloped;15993826][url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3576594.stm[/url] Not sure on the truth of it, but it's better than having no source at all.[/QUOTE] Except light particles arn't matter.

[QUOTE=Master117;15992031]I'm talking to a friend about the possibilities of teleportation sometime in the far future, and I began wondering. There are a few different ways to go about teleportation, one is moving space/time around the person or object so relative to the object/person, it would take an instant to travel from point A to point B. The other option would be 'capturing' the atomic state of the object/individual, but this brings up a whole bunch of questions. The first one is obvious: how would we "scan" the atomic state of an object or person? By that I mean capture the [I]exact[/I] point of space each atom is relative to the other atoms. For biological matter such as a human, data for electrons would need to be recorded too (since many biological process depend on the movement of electrons, a la metabolism/Krebs cycle, flow of ions in the nervous system, etc) which is mathematically is impossible (Heisenberg), or at least currently. The question would be how much data would this take? I mean, hell, for a 70kg human, there would be approximately 7*10^27 (7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) atoms, let alone the number of electrons we now must track if it was physically and mathematically possible. Then how would you send this data? You would need a whole lot of bandwidth and a [I]very[/I] reliable system, along with some serious error correction. The next question would be what happens to the person who is scanned. You have to "get rid" of the original or all you'd be doing on the other side is creating a copy, which would mean two separate entities. Not very practical, although kind of cool. This would mean you would have to deconstruct the original, molecule by molecule. That would kind of hurt, and essentially "kill" you. It also brings up the question, what makes you 'you'? I ask that because if you don't destroy the original, you'd have the copy on the other side. This copy would be [I]exactly[/I] like you, down to the atomic and sub atomic level. It also brings up a theological question. Do we have a soul that is linked to us to make us who we are? The final question, although there are hundreds more, what happens on the other side? How would you 'resemble' a person from this data? How would you manipulate the raw materials waiting on the other side? What if the other side 'runs out' of this raw material? There are so many questions. [B]EDIT[/B] It has come to my attention that people currently in this thread are either stubborn or idiots. Just because something does not exist or [I]seems[/I] completely impossible does not make it completely impossible. Look at airplanes. About 300 years ago, you would be locked up if you said you could build a flying machine. 100 years ago, you would be considered batshit insane if you said we would go to the moon There are so many things that have been predicted and considered "abominations of science" or something like that but have come true. Computers? Hell, in 1940, no one would have fathomed we would be even having this discussion online, since even the most advanced computers ran on punch cards, making my wrist watch more powerful.[/QUOTE] Before I start I'd like to say that I'm with you on this one. It seems like every time I make a thread that is sort of scifi'sh it gets filled with people that just want to disagree. k. There's a movie called The Prestige. It is about two magicians and I'm not going to tell you the plot. But in the movie Nicola Tesla (yesterday was his birthday) made a machine that copied the user. It teleported the the copy/original nearby as well. Well the magician who got his hands on it had to kill the original every time, he would be the teleported, but sometimes he was the original... which meant he never knew if [I]he[/I] would live after the trick. Willy Wonka's idea of teleportation (why isn't the word teleport in the firefox wordbank?) is very interesting. He atomically dissembled a candy bar and sent it through the TV cable to viewers. This would work except for putting the candy back together would be a feat. We have to think of this as a biological thing rather than digital because we ARE biological not digital. Sure there could be a way to copy our anatomical set up but if anything that would be the easy part. The hard part is disassembling our bodies and then reassembling them safely. I just have NO idea how we would even begin to create a living humans from a big pile of atoms.

[QUOTE=gamefreekv2;15993937]Except light particles arn't matter.[/QUOTE] Probably the closest you're going to get.

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993450]Don't [b]have an opinion[/b][/QUOTE] Fixed :eng101: --- I'm merely stating an example that came to mind that illustrates how you're wrong.

[QUOTE=Master117;15992403]That is one of my questions. What makes us [I]us?[/I] How do you retain "consciousness?"[/QUOTE] As long as all the atoms that make up your brain stay the same way you shouldn't even notice a difference.

ITT: people that know nothing about quantum mechanics.

[QUOTE=KStyleAzure;15993172]If teleportation through copying each atom and whatever was real, think about this. Sure, let's say that there was something that could make an exact copy of your body. So you step into Point A, and it creates a carbon copy of you at Point B. But does this mean that you yourself are sent to Point A? No, it just means that there is now a copy of you, a copy that thinks that the teleportation proceeded successfully since the copy would obviously be in Point B. But what of the real one at Point A? Well, you can't have two of the same people, so one of them has to be eliminated. I'm pretty sure Star Trek explained it like this.[/QUOTE] I actually believe in one Star Trek episode the teleporation went alright but the original copy was never destroyed. I believe the destruction of the original is just part of the design of the teleporter and not something that happens automatically when you transport someone(in the star trek universe, who know how teleporation will work in our world, if ever possible). There was then two copies of the same person, from what I understand the Star Trek transporters are basically giant fax machines that erase the original and for whatever reason in that episode the fax machine fucked up.

[QUOTE=Doriol;15992972]We don't know that for sure. Just because it hasn't been proven doesn't mean it's an impossibility. :science:[/QUOTE] Yes the moon [I]might[/I] not exist. Lol I'm just joking, I read that wrong the first time and I thought you were crazy. [editline]11:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lum1naire;15993105]The idea itself seems far-fetched, and I can see how a lot of people think its insane. However like the OP stated we've thought that about a lot of things, and they've happened. I personally am in no place to talk when saying 'That's impossible' since one day, I could be proven wrong. Not to mention if we were to limit ourselves to words such as No and impossible, well we wouldn't be getting to far now would we? On a larger scale at least.[/QUOTE] What's with people and the WC3 avatars? [editline]11:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=KStyleAzure;15993172]If teleportation through copying each atom and whatever was real, think about this. Sure, let's say that there was something that could make an exact copy of your body. So you step into Point A, and it creates a carbon copy of you at Point B. But does this mean that you yourself are sent to Point A? No, it just means that there is now a copy of you, a copy that thinks that the teleportation proceeded successfully since the copy would obviously be in Point B. But what of the real one at Point A? Well, you can't have two of the same people, so one of them has to be eliminated. I'm pretty sure Star Trek explained it like this.[/QUOTE] What would be awful is both of them would swear they were the original. [editline]11:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TrueWolF;15993522][img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/6308/6308.jpg[/img] hold on guys, i wanna show you somefin.[/QUOTE] I lol'd [editline]11:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;15993929]In theory you'd have to find something that can go faster than the speed of light and if even if you could find a way to do that without tearing a hole in the Earth and killing every living thing, explain to me how you're going to utilize that power. I'll believe Steven Hawking's research according to his book over some no-named scientist any day, especially ones that are still in university and in their early twenties.[/QUOTE] Why would it have to travel faster than the speed of light? Light hasn't had anything to do with any of our theories or ideas at all yet. Plus you can't travel faster than the speed of light and if you did it wouldn't tear any holes in the earth or kill anyone, besides the person going that fast.

[QUOTE=rckjmsbtch;15993820]I think "teleportation" is possible however it would be extremely complicated. You would probably need to convert mass to energy then find a way to transport that energy without losing any or much of it and then convert the energy back into mass. If you sent an apple through that you would get a deformed apple on the other side 99% of the time though. I came up with that and im a total dumbass. I do know that mass can be converted to energy and vice versa though so in theory it would work.[/QUOTE] Mass can be converted to energy (ie fire) but it cannot be returned to it's previous form of mass.

[QUOTE=3viLoc1Ty;15994261]Mass can be converted to energy (ie fire) but it cannot be returned to it's previous form of mass.[/QUOTE] Well not directly but eventually it can. I really can't think of an example though.

Why teleport when you can use portals? [IMG]http://yourfaceisanadvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/portal-gun.jpg[/IMG]

Well, I read OPs post but not the thread. Here it is, This topic has been discussed for easily 20+ years by the scientific community. There are 2 methods that I am aware of that reach the same result. 1. A "Scan/Print" method that OP mentioned in his post. It is essentially exactly the same as the name suggests. A "scanner" "Scans" the subject and "Prints" a copy (I'll go into this in a bit) on the other end. 2. There is also the theory that one can harness the power of a wormhole to travel to a distant destination. This may (At least in my mind,) allow one to travel without being "copied". Now, about the whole "copy" idea, it is basically saying that one would have to take the original, copy it on the other side, and "discard" the original. Now this is what gets some people's panties in a bunch. Basically, you are killed. BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, (heh, big butt) you theoretically should have a bit-for-bit, or atom-for-atom in this case, copy on the other end. This means you should not notice a difference. Should not, but considering how big of an impact even a slight imperfection in the transfer of your genectic makeup would have on your being, it is not currently feasibly possible to construct a method of transfer with this kind of efficiency. Here is where Wormhole teleportation comes into play. I wont go into the basics of wormholes as you could just as easily go and google it and find a explanation by someone who is most likely more intelligent than me. Sorry if you find this erroneous or difficult to understand as it is quite late and I haven't even seen a book for nearly 2 months due to summer break from school.

[QUOTE=Jeebz;15994471]Why teleport when you can use portals? [IMG]http://yourfaceisanadvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/portal-gun.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That, that is teleporting, I think.

Wel you would only have to remember how every single atom in the body connects to another, break it down and convert it into some other form of energy, possibly some form of radiation or an electrical field? Then reassemble it somewhere else, you wouldn't need to remember the coordinates of every single atom, they would probably reassemble themselves in the right order...probably. [img]http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/09/theflyopera.jpg[/img] Hey, you could break people down into the form of cereal bars then carry them around in cute little ceramic jars!

[QUOTE=frontman001;15994683]That, that is teleporting, I think.[/QUOTE] It is, wurmholez.

Some crazy scientists in switzerland managed to sen an atom through a wire.

[QUOTE=DrLuke;15994745]Some crazy scientists in switzerland managed to sen an atom through a wire.[/QUOTE] Some crazy scientists in soviet russia managed to sen a wire through an atom. I'm sorry. I had to do something idiotic to counter act all that smartness I spewed a few posts earlier.

[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;15994704]Wel you would only have to remember how every single atom in the body connects to another, break it down and convert it into some other form of energy, possibly some form of radiation or an electrical field? Then reassemble it somewhere else, you wouldn't need to remember the coordinates of every single atom, they would probably reassemble themselves in the right order...probably. [img]http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/09/theflyopera.jpg[/img] Hey, you could break people down into the form of cereal bars then carry them around in cute little ceramic jars![/QUOTE] What does the alien thing have to do with your post?

[QUOTE=frontman001;15994780]What does the alien thing have to do with your post?[/QUOTE] Are you serious? You can't be serious. You're not serious.