How much physical data makes up a person and teleportation - General

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;15996399]Well with my thread I made a while ago about having brains permanantly in containers linked up to humanoid drones they control, all one would have to do is change the link of the drone to a new one in another location. Thus, teleportation.[/QUOTE] that's just exchanging information, we already have this re: the internet

[QUOTE=ArcNova;15992111]We already knew it was possible because animals could do it. I've never seen anything teleport.[/QUOTE] We can already teleport incredibly tiny things, like an atom or two.

[QUOTE=smurfy;15996470]We can already teleport incredibly tiny things, like an atom or two.[/QUOTE] Indeed soon we can go as far as a penny by soon i mean 1000+/- years.

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993397]The evidence is obvious and takes no 'degree' to notice. Lets take every proposed method. You cannot deconstruct an object's atoms, move, then reconstruct them at a different point, without them being mixed up or altered in some way, not to mention killing the person being teleported. I can't believe I'm explaining this. You cannot teleport someone by time travelling to another spot because in order to time travel you'd need to go faster than the speed of light, which is also impossible. And you cannot teleport by using a Delorian. Okay?[/QUOTE] Entangled particles are thought to both change state AT THE EXACT SAME TIME no matter how far apart they are. And entangled photons have been teleported if I recall correctly.

[QUOTE=Master117;15992031]I The next question would be what happens to the person who is scanned. You have to "get rid" of the original or all you'd be doing on the other side is creating a copy, which would mean two separate entities. Not very practical, although kind of cool.[/QUOTE] Instant cloning would be much cooler than teleporting

Just a thought, wouldn't the nerver impulses mid-journey through your brain be thrown off track if they were suddenly copied, I mean, if they're going in one direction how can you copy the trajectory of that impulse?

People keep forgeting that alot of shit including teliportation is Theoreticly possible, which is the subject, not weither it will ever be made. even though there is a good chance at some point. hell, even time travel is theoreticly possible, just go ask steven hawkings.

Well, they say neutrinos produced by the Sun are capable of mind-boggling things, such as above-lightspeed travel, existing more than once and sporadic teleportation. All I can say is, what the hell.

[QUOTE=ArcNova;15992171]Okay, go research me up some [i]facts[/i] about teleportation then[/QUOTE] ArcNova has a point. Just about everything we have done successfully through all of time has been already preformed in the natural world. This gave us a start on where to look, and at least told us that it was doable. Eg: Birds and airplanes: The first airplanes tried were Ornothopters Therefore we have no basis on where to start with teleportation or even if it is possible

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993102]It get us EVERYWHERE! Because we're not wasting time researching impossibilities.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ are you an idiot. Look at like this, even if we never get it, we will undoubtedly discover something very awesome and useful in the process. I fail to see how this is a bad use of resources. And what if we do get it because I bet it's possible in some form? Then you'll look like a bigger idiot. You can say we have "evidence" it doesn't work all you want, 200 years ago, they had "evidence" of tons of shit, yet it still came true. I personally, highly doubt that teleportation is the least bit plausible, but there is NO sense in ruling it out.

[QUOTE=Spork-Juct;15992537]But what happens if someone else uses a teleport and the 2 "streams" accidentally cross? [/QUOTE] [img]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/01/BartSimpson1.gif[/img]

actully on second thought i think it was einstin who had a theory to time travel xD steven hawkings said that the absense of time toriests disproves time travel.

One thing against the second idea: [QUOTE=Master117;15992031]The first one is obvious: how would we "scan" the atomic state of an object or person? By that I mean capture the [I]exact[/I] point of space each atom is relative to the other atoms. [/quote] This is forbidden by quantum mechanics (how you later wrote by your own). If you measure the position really good, you get a worse momentum-resolution and vise versa (Heisenberg's Uncertainly Principle). Also measuring means actually changing the atomic state. [QUOTE=Master117;15992031]The question would be how much data would this take? I mean, hell, for a 70kg human, there would be approximately 7*10^27 (7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) atoms, let alone the number of electrons we now must track if it was physically and mathematically possible. [/quote] This would need a bigger computer than observable universe just to store the data. [QUOTE=Master117;15992031]Then how would you send this data? You would need a whole lot of bandwidth and a [I]very[/I] reliable system, along with some serious error correction.[/quote] Yes, quite impossible for now and in far future to handle this amount of data. [QUOTE=Master117;15992031]The next question would be what happens to the person who is scanned. You have to "get rid" of the original or all you'd be doing on the other side is creating a copy, which would mean two separate entities. Not very practical, although kind of cool.[/quote] This is more or less an ethical problem. But current achievements in teleportation (by entangled quantum particles) works that way: Particle A gives all it's information in null-time to particle B. A is now in any other state but B is an exact copy of A. So the one and only way of "teleportation" I can think about becoming practicable (with the right kind of technology) is to move space-time around a person. ("Warp" or wormholes)

[QUOTE=aVoN;15997410]One thing against the second idea: This would need a bigger computer than observable universe just to store the data. [/quote] Do you know how much we can store on the surface of the earth? I don't know either, but it's a shitload. Now if we pile up hard disks, then we get a fuckton load. Like, half a googolbyte of diskspace.

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15997645]Do you know how much we can store on the surface of the earth? I don't know either, but it's a shitload. Now if we pile up hard disks, then we get a fuckton load. Like, half a googolbyte of diskspace.[/QUOTE] Now let's re-read that long figure that represents the number of atoms in the human body.

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15997645]Do you know how much we can store on the surface of the earth? I don't know either, but it's a shitload. Now if we pile up hard disks, then we get a fuckton load. Like, half a googolbyte of diskspace.[/QUOTE] New storage technology that's coming out allows us to store up to 200 gb in about a credit card stack size of tech. In 18 months, this will have doubled again. And 18 months later, again. Every 18 months, current technological storage doubles progress. I forget the name of the law or principle.

I don't think it would work, because even if you don't have a soul, if there was a exact copy of you while you were alive, would you inhabit their consciousness. So essentially, you would die, but someone would take your place, that had your memories and couldn't say that you died in the process, because he had all your memories of before it happened and coming out. So if you were willing to let a copy of you survive and finish your life, while you die, then go for it. I think it would be more practical to find some sort of warp or faster-than-light travel.

[QUOTE=billeh!;15997821]Now let's re-read that long figure that represents the number of atoms in the human body.[/QUOTE] Yes, but.. In time we will have the power to hold that much(7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) in a hard disk or SDD or whatever, in time.

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15997917]Yes, but.. In time we will have the power to hold that much(7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) in a hard disk or SDD or whatever, in time.[/QUOTE] Anyways, even if we did (which is very far off), if what aVoN said is correct, it wouldn't matter anyways.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;15997850]New storage technology that's coming out allows us to store up to 200 gb in about a credit card stack size of tech. In 18 months, this will have doubled again. And 18 months later, again. Every 18 months, current technological storage doubles progress. I forget the name of the law or principle.[/QUOTE] You're talking about Moore's law, which is to do with the doubling of the number of transistors per unit area, not increasing storage capacity

[QUOTE=billeh!;15997937]Anyways, even if we did (which is very far off), if what aVoN said is correct, it wouldn't matter anyways.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't it matter?

Where is Canuhearme? when you need him.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;15997944]You're talking about Moore's law, which is to do with the doubling of the number of transistors per unit area, not increasing storage capacity[/QUOTE] Thank you. Essentially it leads to storage capacity doubling. In the last 3 years, I can safely say that storage has quadrupled.

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15997955]Why wouldn't it matter?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=aVoN;15997410]This is forbidden by quantum mechanics (how you later wrote by your own). If you measure the position really good, you get a worse momentum-resolution and vise versa (Heisenberg's Uncertainly Principle). Also measuring means actually changing the atomic state.[/QUOTE] Physics at this level get really weird.

First things first, we need an atomic copy machine. Like the one on Star Trek? that has meals inside. Like a microwave but it makes the food not just heat the food.

[QUOTE=ReznorT;15993570]16 Yottabytes[/QUOTE] Goddamn, imagine how much shit you'd have to install to fill up that hard drive?

There's a fractal for everything.

Yay, aVoN to the rescue!

I think that by the time teleportation is a finalized and safe process, such a huge amount of data wouldn't be a problem anymore.

[QUOTE=frontman001;15994038]As long as all the atoms that make up your brain stay the same way you shouldn't even notice a difference.[/QUOTE] I think it's more complicated than this. I think once you get to the level of consciousness and what makes you, [I]you[/I], there comes more of a theological discussion as in a soul or something. I mean, it does not make sense logically that you can disassemble someone atomically and reconstruct them and expect them to be the same consciously. They may look, act, and behave as if they were the same person that was sent through, but would they actually be that same person? Would [I]you[/I] be controlling this new copy, or would [I]you[/I] cease to exist and have this duplicate living out your life as you, but not [I]you.[/I] Would [I]you[/I] know? So many theological and philosophical questions. I have come to the conclusion that this form of teleportation as explain and discussed in my original post might not be impossible, but if the technology ever exists to achieve it, it would be incredibly impractical based on these conclusions. Not to mention the other abilities of the machine; i.e. instant cloning, instant product duplication (granted you have the raw materials), and so on. It would essentially double as a copy machine and printer on steroids. It could also have the potential to cure disease ("snip" out rouge DNA such as cancer, viral, or other genetic mutations), a youth machine ("print out" a younger 'shell' while keeping the mind intact"). There would be so many other uses from this flavor of teleportation machine. I think the most practical way of teleportation would be faster than light travel or some other means to propel a user or object either through the fabric of space time (hole teleportation, literally punching a hole in the universe and traveling outside its bounds) or glide along the fabric in such a way to minimize travel distance (goes more along with M-theory and string theory). It is really all mind blowing science. It may be complete bogus science now, but one day, maybe not in any of our life times, it will become a reality. Hell, maybe it is a reality. Maybe some advanced civilization out there already figured this out and it's marketed as a children's toy (lol, Fisher Price: My First Teleportor).