How much physical data makes up a person and teleportation - General

[QUOTE=Master117;15998258]I think it's more complicated than this. I think once you get to the level of consciousness and what makes you, [I]you[/I], there comes more of a theological discussion as in a soul or something. I mean, it does not make sense logically that you can disassemble someone atomically and reconstruct them and expect them to be the same consciously. They may look, act, and behave as if they were the same person that was sent through, but would they actually be that same person? Would [I]you[/I] be controlling this new copy, or would [I]you[/I] cease to exist and have this duplicate living out your life as you, but not [I]you.[/I] Would [I]you[/I] know? So many theological and philosophical questions. I have come to the conclusion that this form of teleportation as explain and discussed in my original post might not be impossible, but if the technology ever exists to achieve it, it would be incredibly impractical based on these conclusions. Not to mention the other abilities of the machine; i.e. instant cloning, instant product duplication (granted you have the raw materials), and so on. It would essentially double as a copy machine and printer on steroids. It could also have the potential to cure disease ("snip" out rouge DNA such as cancer, viral, or other genetic mutations), a youth machine ("print out" a younger 'shell' while keeping the mind intact"). There would be so many other uses from this flavor of teleportation machine. I think the most practical way of teleportation would be faster than light travel or some other means to propel a user or object either through the fabric of space time (hole teleportation, literally punching a hole in the universe and traveling outside its bounds) or glide along the fabric in such a way to minimize travel distance (goes more along with M-theory and string theory). It is really all mind blowing science. It may be complete bogus science now, but one day, maybe not in any of our life times, it will become a reality. Hell, maybe it is a reality. Maybe some advanced civilization out there already figured this out and it's marketed as a children's toy (lol, Fisher Price: My First Teleportor).[/QUOTE] No one would notice a difference, they will always see the same person with the same personality, like you said. I'ts kind of sad, really. If teleportation were to be a common way to travel, then nearly everyone would be "consciousless" robots with uber advanced AI. Or something.

IDIOTS Have you learned nothing from Half Life 2?!

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;15998582]No one would notice a difference, they will always see the same person with the same personality, like you said. I'ts kind of sad, really. If teleportation were to be a common way to travel, then nearly everyone would be "consciousless" robots with uber advanced AI. Or something.[/QUOTE] Well, I am not saying it would take the consciousness away per say, however I am saying it's taking [I]your[/I] consciousness away and forming a new one that would be exactly the same on the quantum level, and yet not the same one.

Just because the human race cannot prove something does not mean it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;15997992]Thank you. Essentially it leads to storage capacity doubling. In the last 3 years, I can safely say that storage has quadrupled.[/QUOTE] Moore's law does not lead to storage capacity doubling like uber noob said so why repeat it? The law for for storage is Kryder's Law.

What about using the 4th dimension to teleport? Imagine we live in a 2D world, like if it were a piece of paper, there's only height and width. We could use the 3rd dimension (depth) to bend the paper so we could instantly go from one point to another. We could theoretically do the same in our 3D world: bend our world through the 4th dimension to teleport somewhere else. We just gotta find out how...

[QUOTE=Maxx;16000496]What about using the 4th dimension to teleport? Imagine we live in a 2D world, like if it were a piece of paper, there's only height and width. We could use the 3rd dimension (depth) to bend the paper so we could instantly go from one point to another. We could theoretically do the same in our 3D world: bend our world through the 4th dimension to teleport somewhere else. We just gotta find out how...[/QUOTE] That's actually pretty good.

[QUOTE=Master117;15998258] I mean, it does not make sense logically that you can disassemble someone atomically and reconstruct them and expect them to be the same consciously. They may look, act, and behave as if they were the same person that was sent through, but would they actually be that same person? Would [I]you[/I] be controlling this new copy, or would [I]you[/I] cease to exist and have this duplicate living out your life as you, but not [I]you.[/I] Would [I]you[/I] know? So many theological and philosophical questions. [/QUOTE] Wow, I have never, ever thought about it that way. You are correct. [B]You[/B] would cease to exist, but your copy would take over without ever noticing or thinking about it. Scary thought.

@op Well the brain has a couple petabytes of data. Dna doesn't have much data but you would need a hell of a decoder to bring out you back out.

[QUOTE=ArcNova;15992149]But here is the difference. Moon exists, teleportation does not.[/QUOTE] rockets didnt exist back then

Even if quantum entanglement-based teleportation is finished within my lifetime I will certainly never consider using it myself and will be warn everyone I can against its use it on human beings. Quantum teleportation for humans is creepy. It would destroy the object originally being teleported, and reconstruct it on the other end. The copied person would feel as though they were the original and act just like them. They would, in fact, BE them. The problem is that the original person died the moment they were teleported. To friends and family, there would be no discernible difference. The copy would be the exact same person, but the person they knew also died in the process. I think this is what The Prestige tried to warn us about.

No.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16008826]Even if quantum entanglement-based teleportation is finished within my lifetime I will certainly never consider using it myself and will be warn everyone I can against its use it on human beings. Quantum teleportation for humans is creepy. It would destroy the object originally being teleported, and reconstruct it on the other end. The copied person would feel as though they were the original and act just like them. They would, in fact, BE them. The problem is that the original person died the moment they were teleported. To friends and family, there would be no discernible difference. The copy would be the exact same person, but the person they knew also died in the process. I think this what [b]The Prestige[/b] tried to warn us about.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I thought of when I entered this thread.

If an empty 1 gig flashdrive wighs 2 grams, how much does it weigh when it's filled? Go by the fact: EVERYTHING has a weight.

[QUOTE=The Blue Spy;16009468]If an empty 1 gig flashdrive wighs 2 grams, how much does it weigh when it's filled? Go by the fact: EVERYTHING has a weight.[/QUOTE] Is that sarcasm? EDIT: Scratch that, I confused mass with weight. My bad.

I can't find the original quote, but I read once that a guy from the U.S. patent office stated that every major invention has been made and nothing else big will ever be created. That quote was said in the 1800's. For the idiots in this thread who don't believe that it's possible, think again. There are things that will come to be years from now that we never dreamed of.

[QUOTE=Victor Leferve;15993248] I have evidence of teleportation being illogical.[/QUOTE] Your logic is flawed. You're not an all knowing being. You used evidence that is available to you [B]At the time[/B]. Just like them. At the time, they thought the earth was flat. Evidence: Go outside, and look onto the horizon. It's [I]Straight.[/I] Today, you think that teleportation is illogical. Evidence: Multiple [U]theories[/U] by physicists. You just wait a millennium, for all you know your 'evidence' will be proven wrong too.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;16009992]Today, you think that teleportation is illogical. Evidence: Multiple [U]theories[/U] by mathematicians. You just wait a millennium, for all you know your 'evidence' will be proven wrong too.[/QUOTE] Uhh, no. First of all, the ones coming up with the theories are generally physicists, not mathematicians. Second, these theories are actually telling us that teleportation is possible, just incredibly difficult to do with the massive amounts of particles in something like a human.

^^ My apologies [QUOTE=Angua;15996588]Indeed soon we can go as far as a penny by soon i mean 1000+/- years.[/QUOTE] I doubt that's how it will work. We either can, or we can't do it. Or when we finally can do it, what we can teleport will increase dramatically. The amount we can teleport won't increase at a rate of 1gram/millennium. Chances are it will be like computers, a major spike in technology in only a few decades. Is 'teleport' a word? Firefox doesn't recognize it...

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;16010081]^^ My apologies I doubt that's how it will work. We either can, or we can't do it.[/QUOTE] That we [i]can[/i] do it doesn't mean we presently have the technology to.

Not my point.

I'm pretty sure teleportation in the sense that you take a set of existing atoms, and transport those exact atoms to another location in space without using physical means is pretty much impossible. The "teleportation" developments and theories shown in this thread isn't like that at all, what that stuff is talking about is basically taking existing atoms, and destroying/transferring the exact properties of that atom to another (already existing) atom of the same type. Technically you could say you transported atoms from one spot to another but really the atoms never moved, only the "information" did. Which, like the articles suggested, makes for great use in stuff like computers.

I personally think that teleporters would actually become an outmoded form of transportation before we actually end up building them. I fully expect our physical bodies would be a quaint, fleshy reminder to our cybernetic great-grandchildren, who are just brains in vats.

[QUOTE=Cathbadh;16010488]I personally think that teleporters would actually become an outmoded form of transportation before we actually end up building them. I fully expect our physical bodies would be a quaint, fleshy reminder to our cybernetic great-grandchildren, who are just brains in vats.[/QUOTE] Very good point. Maybe we already have the teleporter, (wireless internet) just not the means to extract the data.

[QUOTE=ArcNova;15992149]But here is the difference. Moon exists, teleportation does not.[/QUOTE] You're obviously wrong, If you could do telekinesis, pyrokinesis, or what ever more there is. It's possible, to some of us, nothing is impossible.

If you could teleport stuff, couldn't you duplicate it as well? So you could duplicate fuel, and food and shit, then we wouldnt need to worry about stuff running out

[QUOTE=Jimbojib;16000609]That's actually pretty good.[/QUOTE] Aka Wormholes.

It would probably be easier to create a destructive teleporter but then again that wouldn't be a teleporter.

[QUOTE=aVoN;15997410]One thing against the second idea: This is forbidden by quantum mechanics (how you later wrote by your own). If you measure the position really good, you get a worse momentum-resolution and vise versa (Heisenberg's Uncertainly Principle). Also measuring means actually changing the atomic state. This would need a bigger computer than observable universe just to store the data. Yes, quite impossible for now and in far future to handle this amount of data. This is more or less an ethical problem. But current achievements in teleportation (by entangled quantum particles) works that way: Particle A gives all it's information in null-time to particle B. A is now in any other state but B is an exact copy of A. So the one and only way of "teleportation" I can think about becoming practicable (with the right kind of technology) is to move space-time around a person. ("Warp" or wormholes)[/QUOTE] I'm gonna quote this so that it'll be on this page and people will stop saying shit that aVoN has cleared up!

I saw on TV that with the fastest internet connection we currently have it would take over 150 Million years to transmit a person. It's quicker to fucking walk there.