How are tobacco companies still in business? - General

[QUOTE=The Aussie;42006248]Smoke E-cigs dude, all the glorious (And harmless!) nicotine you can want, and none of the side effects of inhaling burning smoke. Fun fact, it's the smoke and like, 30 carcinogenic chemicals produced during the burning that get you, not the nicotine.[/QUOTE] As good as it sounds, e-cigs don't sound very appealing to me (I have yet to see somebody who actually uses it). Dropping the amount of smokes per day already was hard and I have become more of a casual smoker. One reason I dropped it is because of course it's good for my health and the other reason because of the money. Now it's more or less because I like smoking one, not really because I'm stressed or of any emotion I feel that can be healed by smoking. I wouldn't call it addiction anymore since I haven't had the feeling I need one if I didn't smoke for a day or more.

[QUOTE=SwizzChees;42006375]As good as it sounds, e-cigs don't sound very appealing to me (I have yet to see somebody who actually uses it). Dropping the amount of smokes per day already was hard and I have become more of a casual smoker. One reason I dropped it is because of course it's good for my health and the other reason because of the money. Now it's more or less because I like smoking one, not really because I'm stressed or of any emotion I feel that can be healed by smoking. I wouldn't call it addiction anymore since I haven't had the feeling I need one if I didn't smoke for a day or more.[/QUOTE] I spent $50 on a little ego c-twist vape setup and i've saved so much fucking money and I feel better, since the last 3 months I cut down to a pack a week, and now ultimately I haven't had a cigarette in 3 weeks. plus, you don't stink, you can do it in the privacy of your room, and you can be blowin' mad smoke rings that taste like blueberry all day dude worth it

I still earn enough money with my job to be able to afford the smokes. If I keep on reducing the way I do now I'll ultimately stop at some point too. But for now I really just enjoy lightning a cigarette. And yes it stinks, but my surroundings isn't really bothered by that in the situations I smoke. Also the taste really doesn't bother me too much. When I'm in privacy of my room I'd rather smoke weed then cigs tbh. Stinks aswell but who cares when I'm for my own.

They are probably making a killing right now with Indonesia. I mean even a child could buy a cigarette. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiyWK3fzTpA[/media]

[QUOTE=J!NX;42003796]Money. Mass addiction. Also look at prohibition of the 30's.[/QUOTE] The prohibition actually worked.

[QUOTE=Killuah;42006507]The prohibition actually worked.[/QUOTE] no it fucking didn't, lmao, how could you possibly say that? it created some of the worst crime we've seen in history. Alcohol fueled murder. Alcohol was still sold in mass, so much so that it's basically impossible to keep up. just drinking it is illegal, meaning innocent men get arrested just because they decided to fucking relax. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone[/url] [url]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_didn't_Prohibition_work[/url] [QUOTE]Why didn't Prohibition work? In: Prohibition [Edit categories] Answer: Answer There are several reasons why Prohibition did not work, however I think the basic reason is that people of that time believed in personal choice. The government could not dictate ones private life as long as it did not hurt another. In other words, we would not stand for it. Answer Good post above but wanted to add that Prohibition just made more crime on top of gang related murders, prostitution and drugs. The Mob got into it and bootleggers (crimes according to the FBI). As the above poster explained people felt their personal choices were taken away and they were and they are still being taken away to this day so we always have to fight for our rights. Sorry another addition Prohibition went against daily customs and habits of many American citizens, as mentioned above but there were many reasons for it failure. 1. The point above 2. The bootlegging industry that gangsters entered into became heavily profitable, making crime more popular 3. The lack of enforcement, at the beginning of Prohibition there were 1500 Prohibition agents recruited for the whole of America despite the fact that just New York 30,000 speakeasies (illegal bars) alone. 4. The lack of public support dwindled as people saw the failure of enforcement as it soon became against the norm not to drink and break the law. 5. The huge corruption had a massive impact on Prohibition failure as even whole sections of the different enforcement agency were receiving bribes. Al Capone, famous gangster, once said he had 'half the Chicago police force' in his pocket. Gangsters would corrupt judges and juries enabling them to bypass the Law even if they were taken to court.[/QUOTE] just imagine banned a product you cannot just stop using. Alcohol is easy to kick. Cigarettes can take an entire lifetime. It is the most addicting drug in the world. [B]Banning alcohol was a really fucking [U][I]stupid [/I][/U]movie.[/B]

[QUOTE=Jack Dynamite;42003790]I've been wondering, with all the anti-smoking campaigns and education and rules, I'm doubting tobacco companies are getting many new customers; with smokers dying off/kicking the habit, they should be losing some old customers. I know they probably sell internationally but within the US or even the whole western market, how are they still big, especially with cigarettes getting more and more expensive?[/QUOTE] i smoke like a train fuck off here in kentucky there's like literally 0 stigma to smoking because it was (is? i don't fuckin' know) basically the only crop anyone would buy from someone from kentucky vendors barely id (unless you start getting close to a city) and fourteen year olds stand outside of public libraries passing cheap menthols back and forth without anyone batting an eye

[QUOTE=The Aussie;42006248]Smoke E-cigs dude, all the glorious (And harmless!) nicotine you can want, and none of the side effects of inhaling burning smoke. Fun fact, it's the smoke and like, 30 carcinogenic chemicals produced during the burning that get you, not the nicotine.[/QUOTE] My friend has an e-cig but he had redbull flavour and it was so fucking shit

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42006651]My friend has an e-cig but he had redbull flavour and it was so fucking shit[/QUOTE] Get some better fucking flavors then. I don't personally smoke e cigs, but i know there are like, 1,000 flavors. I don't smoke cigarettes at all, but i wouldn't mind picking up an e-cig. EDIT: No nicotine e-cigs, for the flavor.

i smoke cigarettes less, now that i go out and smoke hookah every couple weeks more flavor, less chemical additives

Waterpipe is very harmful from what i heard. Careful with that assumption. [editline]29th August 2013[/editline] wiki says in the first paragraphs: [QUOTE]A 2005 WHO report[3] states that smoking using a waterpipe poses a serious potential health hazard and is not a safe alternative to cigarette smoking. The average hookah session typically lasts more than 40 minutes, and consists of 50 to 200 inhalations that each range from 0.15 to 0.50 liters of smoke.[52][53] In an hour-long smoking session of hookah, users consume about 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke of a cigarette. [/QUOTE]

I personally hate the fact I smoke, still cannot stop.

[QUOTE=whatthe;42007015]I personally hate the fact I smoke, still cannot stop.[/QUOTE] Seriously, switch to e-cigs. The initial investment will easily be balanced out within a few weeks of not buying cigarettes. 99% safe, 100% cheaper, 100% better.

[QUOTE=SwizzChees;42006977]Waterpipe is very harmful from what i heard. Careful with that assumption. [editline]29th August 2013[/editline] wiki says in the first paragraphs:[/QUOTE] there's no harmless way to smoke tobacco, but hookah smoke is safer than cigarette smoke [quote][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah#Health_effects"]A 2008 aetiological study on hookah smoking and cancer led by a group of Pakistani researchers[58] found that overall serum CEA levels (as a biological marker for cancer) in exclusive hookah smokers, who had been using weight equivalents of up to 60 cigarettes of tobacco in daily sessions for decades, were higher than in non-smokers but substantially lower than those recorded in cigarette smokers considering the same amount of tobacco.[/URL][/quote]

[QUOTE=The Aussie;42006756]Get some better fucking flavors then. I don't personally smoke e cigs, but i know there are like, 1,000 flavors. I don't smoke cigarettes at all, but i wouldn't mind picking up an e-cig. EDIT: No nicotine e-cigs, for the flavor.[/QUOTE] nah he's got better, he had cola then he had a more tobacco like flavour, i would pick one up but they're about $70 and I really don't want one right now

today I think the new customers are more informed than ever about the dangers, also you forget foreign countries smoke worse than the u.s. ever did. almost all the foreign students at my college are smoking, its gotten to the point that my campus decided to put in smoking areas and try to go smoke free

[QUOTE=J!NX;42006599]no it fucking didn't, lmao, how could you possibly say that? it created some of the worst crime we've seen in history. Alcohol fueled murder. Alcohol was still sold in mass, so much so that it's basically impossible to keep up. just drinking it is illegal, meaning innocent men get arrested just because they decided to fucking relax. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone[/url] [url]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_didn't_Prohibition_work[/url] just imagine banned a product you cannot just stop using. Alcohol is easy to kick. Cigarettes can take an entire lifetime. It is the most addicting drug in the world. [B]Banning alcohol was a really fucking [U][I]stupid [/I][/U]movie.[/B][/QUOTE] I think you saw too many movies. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/[/url] [quote]National Prohibition succeeded both in lowering consumption and in retaining political support until the onset of the Great Depression altered voters’ priorities. Repeal resulted more from this contextual shift than from characteristics of the innovation itself.[/quote] [editline]29th August 2013[/editline] Also saying that Alcohol is easy to kick is a personal opinion (as well as the stuff you quoted)

I've been smoking weedspliffs for 'round 5 years now and I've never smoked or bought a pack of cigs in my life. I do know that the nicotine is fuckin my tolerance though, resulting in me wanting to blaze more. but never ever i will fucking light a fag just for the nicotine. oh yeah and cigs will never be illigal in the system we all live in cause it helps killing the world population. in the third world countries its even worse cause there they arent expensive at all, probably with even more toxic chemicals and shit. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_te6dLVeqa8[/media]

As long as I keep smoking blunts, tobacco will be around.

tobacco is really the most boring drug it's never worth it.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;42007266]Seriously, switch to e-cigs. The initial investment will easily be balanced out within a few weeks of not buying cigarettes. 99% safe, 100% cheaper, 100% better.[/QUOTE] I heard that e-cigs suck. A person I know said that after trying one out it made her want to have a real cigarette.

[QUOTE=Killuah;42008233]I think you saw too many movies. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/[/url] [editline]29th August 2013[/editline] Also saying that Alcohol is easy to kick is a personal opinion (as well as the stuff you quoted)[/QUOTE] Prohibition did shitty work. Obviously for most people it'll help with alcoholism, as they don't want to break the law, but it failed, really terribly. also, I've seen like, 1 movie about the 30's that I can recall [t]http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/mf2-01b1.gif[/t] [t]http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00492/crime_rate_2a.gif[/t] [t]http://kondratiefflongwave.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ushomicide20101.jpg[/t] Homicides during the 30's was pretty shitty too [QUOTE]Before Congress passed the National Prohibition Act in 1919, homicide rates in America were relatively low. In the 1910s, about 5 in 100,000 Americans fell victim to murder. At the height of Prohibition, the murder rate climbed nearly 60%. But after the 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition sixteen years later, the rate steadily declined back to pre-Prohibition levels. The War on Drugs, from the 1960s to the present, brought the homicide rate back up to about 10 per 100,000—almost twice the rate before Prohibition and the Drug War.[/QUOTE]

China.

I need something to string my weed out

[QUOTE=Jack Dynamite;42003790]all the anti-smoking campaigns and education and rules,[/QUOTE] lol That's not gonna stop the millions of other people who have already been using / never cared about tobacco.

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;42010705]I heard that e-cigs suck. A person I know said that after trying one out it made her want to have a real cigarette.[/QUOTE] They aren't for some people but for others they work wonders. I recently talked to one guy who had smoked for twenty five years, bought an ecig, and hasn't smoked a cigarette since 2010

population control.

Not to mention the fact that some tobacco companies own food production/distribution companies and many other companies in other industries.

also, remember that there are more types of tobaccos than the typical cigarettes, cigar and pipe tobacco companies are doing quite well and are even older.

I don't like smoking, but I do enjoy the smell of pipe tobacco.