I need to watch this again, I forgot how much I enjoyed it.
I fucking love this film! I think he did kill all those people, but his condition blurs the events? It's all very confusing, yet SO good.
Book blurs the lines more, also a helluva lot more graphic. Fuck.
Both pretty damn good.
I made the mistake of reading the book before watching the film, the film is no where near as good as the book. The book takes everything to such an extent it makes it feel much more like satire and everything fits together perfectly.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;25582727]i never had class, maybe you should post what you thought of a film in a thread once and then leave instead of posting how much you hated every film in every thread and try to convince everyone else it was bad. that might seem hypocritical of me but when i hate a film i say i hated it, explain why, and then leave.[/QUOTE]
youre right! you never did have class. been posting on this forums on and off since like 2005. how could i forget?
[editline]23rd October 2010[/editline]
i guess the reason that i dont like this is because i hate the "sympathetic serial killer" trope. thats all im gonna say! bye! ~n <333
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25590092]
i guess the reason that i dont like this is because i hate the "sympathetic serial killer" trope. thats all im gonna say! bye! ~n <333[/QUOTE]
He was never really that sympathetic.
if hes the main character he is, regardless
[editline]23rd October 2010[/editline]
that's why in silence of the lambs we have clarice to frame the narrative for us. we say "oh, hannibal lecter is a bad guy, but at least hes not the narrator"
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25590986]if hes the main character he is, regardless
[editline]23rd October 2010[/editline]
that's why in silence of the lambs we have clarice to frame the narrative for us. we say "oh, hannibal lecter is a bad guy, but at least hes not the narrator"[/QUOTE]
No, I can think of several books and movies whose main characters aren't meant to be portrayed as sympathetic.
If you don't like moral ambiguity in a main character that's fine. But it doesn't make a movie bad.
moral ambiguity? hes a total dick! moral ambiguity means hes a dick for the right reasons. like mr. freeze!
must not have been very good books.
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25607124]moral ambiguity? hes a total dick! moral ambiguity means hes a dick for the right reasons. like mr. freeze!
must not have been very good books.[/QUOTE]
Too bad, the book still doesn't endorse his actions. Your criticism really has no merit.
And to name some other media that have horrible people as main characters:
There will be blood
Watchmen
Road of the Patriarch.
Macbeth
A Clockwork Orange
Frankenstein
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25590092]youre right! you never did have class. been posting on this forums on and off since like 2005. how could i forget?
[editline]23rd October 2010[/editline]
i guess the reason that i dont like this is because i hate the "sympathetic serial killer" trope. thats all im gonna say! bye! ~n <333[/QUOTE]
quit posting now nobody cares what you think
[QUOTE=Melkor;25607221]Too bad, the book still doesn't endorse his actions. Your criticism really has no merit.
And to name some other media that have horrible people as main characters:
There will be blood
Watchmen
Road of the Patriarch.
Macbeth
A Clockwork Orange
Frankenstein[/QUOTE]
i can ounter all of those (except road of the patriarch and a clockwork orange)!
in the other four, sure, the main characters are dicks, but they set themselves up for a big fall at the end. correct me if im wrong, ive never seen this movie, but does patrick bateman die or get his comeuppance at the end?
if youre going to have a bad guy main character, he has to either a) redeem himself or b) die.
there will be blood? daniel is pretty much dead at the end. he doesnt actually die, but hes close.
watchmen? if were saying the main character is rorschach, which is what i assume youre saying, he dies at the end.
macbeth? first of all, hes not the bad guy, the bad guy is lady macbeth, who turns him into a bad guy. and either way, he dies at the end.
frankenstein? you guessed it! victor dies at the end.
in all of these cases, we, the audience, is meant to say "wow i hate this guy". that doesnt seem to be the case in american psycho
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;25607243]quit posting now nobody cares what you think[/QUOTE]
ow, my free speech!
seriously though, i remember you being a cool guy once?
stop shitting up threads if you didn't like the movie. post what you think once and then leave. final warning
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
and stop thinking a movie has to follow a FORMULA
they DON'T, thinking it has to go a specific way is very narrow minded and STUPID
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
"american psycho did something different to what movies should do therefore it sucks" listen to yourself sunshine and stop with these FUCKING RETARDED arguments
movies have plots and characters, thats a formula, right?
plots have followed formulae since the first stories, dude.
okay im done for real. peace out
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25608025]i can ounter all of those (except road of the patriarch and a clockwork orange)!
in the other four, sure, the main characters are dicks, but they set themselves up for a big fall at the end. correct me if im wrong, ive never seen this movie, but does patrick bateman die or get his comeuppance at the end?
if youre going to have a bad guy main character, he has to either a) redeem himself or b) die.
there will be blood? daniel is pretty much dead at the end. he doesnt actually die, but hes close.
watchmen? if were saying the main character is rorschach, which is what i assume youre saying, he dies at the end.
macbeth? first of all, hes not the bad guy, the bad guy is lady macbeth, who turns him into a bad guy. and either way, he dies at the end.
frankenstein? you guessed it! victor dies at the end.
in all of these cases, we, the audience, is meant to say "wow i hate this guy". that doesnt seem to be the case in american psycho
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
ow, my free speech!
seriously though, i remember you being a cool guy once?[/QUOTE]
And in A Clockwork Orange Alex doesn't die, instead he gets a government job. Not that it matters though, since your standards are so god damned arbitrary. Who cares if the asshole dies at the end? So long as the movie doesn't endorse them. It's almost like you can't separate your emotional reaction to the movie with your objective view of it as an art form.
so in a clockwork orange he stops doing detestable things, though, right?
there ya go. a bad guy should stop being bad or well lose our faith in mankind. i guess ill stop posting though, its brought us all nothing but trouble!
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25608700]so in a clockwork orange he stops doing detestable things, though, right?
there ya go. a bad guy should stop being bad or well lose our faith in mankind. i guess ill stop posting though, its brought us all nothing but trouble![/QUOTE]
He stops doing it because ultraviolence no longer gives him the same thrill as it used to, not because he suddenly grows a conscience.
i thought they brainwashed him
Patrick Bateman reference in Dexter season 1
[QUOTE=professor cool.;25609030]i thought they brainwashed him[/QUOTE]
And then they "unbrainwashed" him, and gave him a government job so that in return he wouldn't be portrayed as a poster child for the victims of Fascism.
i see.
thought you said you were done
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
since since you didn't, at the end of A Clockwork Orange, his 'brainwashing' proves to have failed, and Alex is once again inclined to do bad things. Then it ends. He is still bad, and he doesn't get his comeuppance, he gets rewarded and returns to evil.
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
you lose, stop seeing movies as having to follow a specific formula or certain way, just because things have done so for a long time doesn't mean it's right or they should. people have stoned and lynched people who are different from them since the dawn of mankind, that doesn't mean it should continue happening. a specific formula may work to make something successful but it doesn't necessarily work to make a film good, a film doesn't need to abide by those rules to be good, it's called ingenuity and breaking the mold, revolutionary film making if you will. you go around hating on things that break the mold, not because you genuinely disliked them, but because you're almost forcing yourself to dislike them because they don't follow your preconceived requirements of a film story. there's an ingrained idea in your head of how a film should be. you're not the be all and end all of filmmaking, just because someone told you these things who are in a position of authority, doesn't make them right. pull your finger out.
:regd08:
lol.
shitposter arguing with super mod.
quality
you like phil collins?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;25607243]quit posting now nobody cares what you think[/QUOTE]
That's what ignore lists are for.
[QUOTE=Handsome Pete;25583011][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwicLgOGJOI#t=1m26s"]Hey, Paul![/url][/QUOTE]
Oh man he ruined that nice hardwood floor!
[QUOTE=Rusty100;25609383]thought you said you were done
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
since since you didn't, at the end of A Clockwork Orange, his 'brainwashing' proves to have failed, and Alex is once again inclined to do bad things. Then it ends. He is still bad, and he doesn't get his comeuppance, he gets rewarded and returns to evil.
[editline]24th October 2010[/editline]
you lose, stop seeing movies as having to follow a specific formula or certain way, just because things have done so for a long time doesn't mean it's right or they should. people have stoned and lynched people who are different from them since the dawn of mankind, that doesn't mean it should continue happening. a specific formula may work to make something successful but it doesn't necessarily work to make a film good, a film doesn't need to abide by those rules to be good, it's called ingenuity and breaking the mold, revolutionary film making if you will. you go around hating on things that break the mold, not because you genuinely disliked them, but because you're almost forcing yourself to dislike them because they don't follow your preconceived requirements of a film story. there's an ingrained idea in your head of how a film should be. you're not the be all and end all of filmmaking, just because someone told you these things who are in a position of authority, doesn't make them right. pull your finger out.[/QUOTE]
okay okay okay i got it ill stop posting here i mean it. jeez.
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