• Lenient gun control leads to greater homicide rates.
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[QUOTE=Robbi;38402960]A simple steel tube with a hole in the end, gunpowder and an iron ball is not hard to make, it won't jam either.[/QUOTE] How are you going to rob somebody with something that needs a lighter?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402957]Except one made using machine tools by a professional doesn't tend to be unreliable.[/QUOTE] Because all those guns were made by professionals with machine tools? I also point towards the homemade weapons in Afghanistan. "How are you going to rob somebody with something that needs a lighter?" People get robbed with fists all the time how will this be any different?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402968]How are you going to rob somebody with something that needs a lighter?[/QUOTE] Point it at them and flick open the lighter and threaten them. It's not rocket science. [editline]10th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402957]Except one made using machine tools by a professional doesn't tend to be unreliable.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass]And yet there's 10 year olds making AK47s in Pakistan.[/url]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402968]How are you going to rob somebody with something that needs a lighter?[/QUOTE] point it at them and tell them to give you their money? [editline]10th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38402982] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass]And yet there's 10 year olds making AK47s in Pakistan.[/url][/QUOTE] your article is about the region [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_Copy[/url]
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402957]Except one made using machine tools by a professional doesn't tend to be unreliable.[/QUOTE] Any high school student whose school has a machine shop, which is a lot of them, who also has internet access, can get the plans to make a fully functioning and reliable automatic firearm in that machine shop from off the internet, and it's not difficult either. If they have even a basic knowledge of how the machines in the shop work, they can make a gun.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38402819]Once Sobotnik shows us his hidden cove of sources for his assertions that all gun owners are criminals in waiting, among his other nonsensical assertions.[/QUOTE] That's Sobotnik's problem and while unrelated to my demand he is a very naughty boy for not giving them and so is Zillamaster
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38402968]How are you going to rob somebody with something that needs a lighter?[/QUOTE] Not rob someone but you can make it to murder someone.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38403029]That's Sobotnik's problem and while unrelated to my demand he is a very naughty boy for not giving them and so is Zillamaster[/QUOTE] I misread my source, which is [url=https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt]Here[/url] [QUOTE]A study of personal robberies revealed that escalation from threat to attack is less likely if the robber is armed with a gun than if he or she is unarmed.7 A similar pattern was found in assaults.8 Perhaps the reason is that robbers armed with guns are less nervous, or victims confronted with guns are too frightened to resist, or both. Either effect could reduce the risk of escalation from threat to attack.[/QUOTE] I apologize
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38403060]I misread my source, which is [url=https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt]Here[/url] I apologize[/QUOTE] Thank you, the whole line of debate that was going seemed too fantastical for me.
Guns really aren't as effective at preventing crime as thought however. People seemingly buy them out of fear in order to protect themselves from nonexistent threats (its more likely to die in a car crash driving to the gun store than it is to be murdered by a stranger breaking into your home).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403771]Guns really aren't as effective at preventing crime as thought however. People seemingly buy them out of fear in order to protect themselves from nonexistent threats (its more likely to die in a car crash driving to the gun store than it is to be murdered by a stranger breaking into your home).[/QUOTE] so what you're saying is that cars cause more death than guns? ban cars.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38403837]so what you're saying is that cars cause more death than guns? ban cars.[/QUOTE] Now now, let's be "sensible"
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38403837]so what you're saying is that cars cause more death than guns? ban cars.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that people tend to buy guns out of fear from non-existent threats. They feel inadequate so they compensate with weaponry.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403853] They feel inadequate so they compensate with weaponry.[/QUOTE] Now you're just being offensive. For the last fucking time, bring up a goddamned source on this. A source on [I]anything[/I] you've said. You have yet to present one, so you have yet to present a single argument.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38403868]Now you're just being offensive. For the last fucking time, bring up a goddamned source on this. A source on [I]anything[/I] you've said. You have yet to present one, so you have yet to present a single argument.[/QUOTE] Well actually you're afraid of being bested so you have to resort to covering your ears instead of listening to the reason of what I'm saying. I provided my sources well in advance at the start, arguing that more guns = more homicides.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403916]Well actually you're afraid of being bested [/QUOTE] Oh really now? You have to resort to an ad hominem? Well done.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403853]No, I'm saying that people tend to buy guns out of fear from non-existent threats. They feel inadequate so they compensate with weaponry.[/QUOTE] more crimes are committed with cars than there are with guns. hell I did 45 in a 35 just today, but I've never shot at any innocent bystanders. ban cars.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38403945]more crimes are committed with cars than there are with guns. hell I did 45 in a 35 just today, but I've never shot at any innocent bystanders.[/QUOTE] I would be guessing that more crimes are committed using guns rather than cars however.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403953]I would be guessing that more crimes are committed using guns rather than cars however.[/QUOTE] well then you're an idiot and you've never handled a gun or driven a car.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403953]I would be guessing that more crimes are committed using guns rather than cars however.[/QUOTE] You sure about that?
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;38403979]You sure about that?[/QUOTE] I am confident that guns usually tend to kill more than cars, given that they are designed for that.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403853]No, I'm saying that people tend to buy guns out of fear from non-existent threats. They feel inadequate so they compensate with weaponry.[/QUOTE] Some, but not all. Sometimes it isn't feeling inadequate so much as feeling unsafe, and to be perfectly honest I can't find fault in that. Why should I care if someone buys a double-barrel to keep under their bed as long as they aren't hurting anyone with it? It makes them feel safer - hell, it may actually make them safer - without anyone being injured or placed in danger.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403953]I would be guessing that more crimes are committed using guns rather than cars however.[/QUOTE] Speeding is a crime. Running a red light is a crime. Hit and runs are a crime. Drunk driving is a crime. Texting while driving is a crime. Not wearing your seat-belt as the driver is a crime. Ignoring street signs is a crime. Not pulling over for the police is a crime. Failure to have a driver's license whilst driving is a crime. Having your back lights out is a crime. Failure to have all passenger secured in the back seat is a crime. I could go on and on.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403998]I am confident that guns usually tend to kill more than cars, given that they are designed for that.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/05/bruce-krafft/comparing-car-and-gun-fatalities-is-misleading-and-irrelevant/[/url] you're simply wrong
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403998]I am confident that guns usually tend to kill more than cars, given that they are designed for that.[/QUOTE] Well first you said crime, now you say kill, you [B]still [/B]sure about that?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38404044][url]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/05/bruce-krafft/comparing-car-and-gun-fatalities-is-misleading-and-irrelevant/[/url] you're simply wrong[/QUOTE] The source is slightly biased. [quote]Let’s sum up, shall we? Setting aside the fact that the freedom to own and carry a firearm is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.[/quote] Like, this isn't even an argument, it's full of nonsense and based off nothing. The source also doesn't mention any change in firearm ownership, and what's more it actually removes Deaths by suicide in order to shoehorn the data into his argument. The writer is even paranoid and thinks the guy who wrote the article is out to get him (probably because he's a criminal and paranoid).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404148](probably because he's a criminal and paranoid).[/QUOTE] ... Really? [I]Really?[/I] How do you know? Can you smell criminals through text on the internet or something? [B]Edit[/B] Are you trying to bait us into flaming you? Because you're sure as hell getting close.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404148]The source is slightly biased. Like, this isn't even an argument, it's full of nonsense and based off nothing. The source also doesn't mention any change in firearm ownership, and what's more it actually removes Deaths by suicide in order to shoehorn the data into his argument. The writer is even paranoid and thinks the guy who wrote the article is out to get him (probably because he's a criminal and paranoid).[/QUOTE] it links to unbiased sources with the same data. You can't discount a source because it has "gun" in the name Changes in firearm ownership isn't relevant to the topic at hand. If you honestly believe that suicide is dependent on firearms then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. Suicide isn't relevant at all to the topic of gun control, especially in the case that you've made referring specifically to homicide.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38403998]I am confident that guns usually tend to kill more than cars, given that they are designed for that.[/QUOTE] There were 33,808 car related deaths in the US in 2009, there were 11,493 firearms related homicides in the US in 2009. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year[/url] [url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm[/url] Cars tend to kill more than guns, whether intended or not. Ban cars or regulate them properly.
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