• Lenient gun control leads to greater homicide rates.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404392]Except his argument is heavily slanted, poor, biased, and misinterprets the original writer. He's a conspiracy loony.[/QUOTE] Speaking of biased, heavily slanted and loony, do you have any of your sources yet?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404392]Except his argument is heavily slanted, poor, biased, and misinterprets the original writer. He's a conspiracy loony.[/QUOTE] Same could be said of you in this thread alone.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404392]Except his argument is heavily slanted, poor, biased, and misinterprets the original writer. He's a conspiracy loony.[/QUOTE] So you immediately discredit a source on the other side of your argument, because A) they're on the other side of your argument, B), you don't like what he said even though he provides proof, C) he "missed the point" of your side? And how are you [I]not[/I] a conspiracy loony?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;38404420]I would also like to point out that killing someone with a knife leaves no shell casings, and has no loud "bang" to suppress, making it somewhat easier to actually get away with knifing somone. Ban knives 2012.[/QUOTE] Much easier to permanently maim someone with a knife too.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38404430]So you immediately discredit a source on the other side of your argument, because A) they're on the other side of your argument, B), you don't like what he said even though he provides proof, C) he "missed the point" of your side?[/QUOTE] No, if you took a moment to read the source you would see how paranoid it is. Like, even gun control groups spend way less money on their campaigns than gun nuts do.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404392]Except his argument is heavily slanted, poor, biased, and misinterprets the original writer. He's a conspiracy loony.[/QUOTE] jesus fuck man can't you read? his numbers are correct [h2]C - O - R - R - E - C - T[/h2]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404448]No, if you took a moment to read the source you would see how paranoid it is. Like, even gun control groups spend way less money on their campaigns than gun nuts do.[/QUOTE] Someone wanting to preserve their right to own a gun does not make them a gun nut, FYI.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404448]No, if you took a moment to read the source you would see how paranoid it is. Like, even gun control groups spend way less money on their campaigns than gun nuts do.[/QUOTE] Have [I]you[/I] read the source? I certainly have. There's nothing paranoid about it. Can you point out to me where it's paranoid? You might have missed it, but it seems to be quoting stupid shit people like you say and putting actual truth to it.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404463]Someone wanting to preserve their right to own a gun does not make them a gun nut, FYI.[/QUOTE] Except the privilege to own a firearm is a useless and unfounded one that has lost its relevance in the modern world.
Sobotnik, my original source may have been wrong, but at least I posted one.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404448]Like, even gun control groups spend way less money on their campaigns than gun nuts do.[/QUOTE] That's probably because people realized they were wrong and stopped sending them money. This, for example, is the Brady Campaign's finances: [IMG]http://www.pagunblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/BCampaignRevExp.gif[/IMG] They have gotten $350,000 in donations in the past [b]10 years[/b] [url]http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000024445&cycle=A[/url]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404481]Except the privilege to own a firearm is a useless and unfounded one that has lost its relevance in the modern world.[/QUOTE] It is fucking founded, holy shit. Read the constitution some time. And don't pull some stupid "has no relevance to the modern world" bullshit, the constitution is the law of the land, and there has to be a [I]massive[/I], country-wide agreement to change something. The last time the constitution had something prohibited was the 18th amendment, and a certain man named "Al-Capone" came out of it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404392]Except his argument is heavily slanted, poor, biased, and misinterprets the original writer. He's a conspiracy loony.[/QUOTE] Except his arguments make sense, sight sources, use logic and statistics. The same can not be said about your arguments. It's been a while since you've posted a source or some statistics and you're the one here claiming all gun owners are potential murderers and that we're all criminals. Not only are you blatantly wrong but you're outright insulting us. Get your shit together man, theres no way you're this dense.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404481]Except the privilege to own a firearm is a useless and unfounded one that has lost its relevance in the modern world.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's just go back to hunting with bows. If a guy breaks into your house I guess you'll have to rig a weapon out of your socks or something. Hey, woah, I think some people might actually [I]enjoy[/I] shooting guns! Let's just get rid of their hobby because there's no reason to own a gun.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404481]Except the privilege to own a firearm is a useless and unfounded one that has lost its relevance in the modern world.[/QUOTE] This pretty much. People think gun ownership is a universal right because a 200 year old document says so. Those people are just as bad, if not worse than bible humpers.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;38404505]Believe it or not there are some people who rely on hunting for sustenance.[/QUOTE] Any source on this? I've never heard of anyone that doesn't hunt as a past-time, just people who use it to supplement
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404507]It is fucking founded, holy shit. Read the constitution some time. And don't pull some stupid "has no relevance to the modern world" bullshit, the constitution is the law of the land, and there has to be a [I]massive[/I], country-wide agreement to change something.[/QUOTE] I have read the constitution. Saying that gun privileges should be protected just because its on some old document without good reason is unfounded.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404507]It is fucking founded, holy shit. Read the constitution some time. And don't pull some stupid "has no relevance to the modern world" bullshit, the constitution is the law of the land, and there has to be a [I]massive[/I], country-wide agreement to change something. The last time the constitution had something prohibited was the 18th amendment, and a certain man named "Al-Capone" came out of it.[/QUOTE] Was a very short lived amendment too.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404530] People think gun ownership is a universal right because a 200 year old document says so.[/QUOTE] Sorry to break it to you, buddy, but it does say so, and it is a right. [editline]11th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404543]I have read the constitution. Saying that gun privileges should be protected just because its on some old document without good reason is unfounded.[/QUOTE] All of your "arguments" are unfounded piles of steaming shit from your mouth because you have refused to back them up.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404543]I have read the constitution. Saying that gun privileges should be protected just because its on some old document without good reason is unfounded.[/QUOTE] People don't need to be able to speak their mind or vote, either. They're on that same old scrap of paper.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404543]I have read the constitution. Saying that gun privileges should be protected just because its on some old document without good reason is unfounded.[/QUOTE] The reasoning behind that is that the government should fear it's people, not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404507]It is fucking founded, holy shit. Read the constitution some time. [/quote] See creationists Just because something was written a really long time ago doesn't make it right. You're going to need to do better than that. [quote] The last time the constitution had something prohibited was the 18th amendment, and a certain man named "Al-Capone" came out of it.[/QUOTE] You don't need to amend the constitution to prohibit something. That's what laws are for. Prohibition of marijuana isn't in the constitution.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;38404534]Any source on this? I've never heard of anyone that doesn't hunt as a past-time, just people who use it to supplement[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/king-salmon-clamp-down-binds-southcentral-alaska-fishermen] Not really hunting so much as fishing,[/url] but most people who hunt usually do it to fill the freezer or to help quell local populations.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404565]See creationists Just because something was written a really long time ago doesn't make it right. You're going to need to do better than that. You don't need to amend the constitution to prohibit something. That's what laws are for. Prohibition of marijuana isn't in the constitution.[/QUOTE] But the right to have it wasn't either, that point is null. And I also love how you're bringing religion into this, a completely off-topic, irrelevant and honestly pointless argument in this discussion.
[QUOTE=Ridge;38404556]People don't need to be able to speak their mind or vote, either. They're on that same old scrap of paper.[/QUOTE] You're right. They don't.
[QUOTE=Ridge;38404556]People don't need to be able to speak their mind or vote, either. They're on that same old scrap of paper.[/QUOTE] Yes but its awful how you can actually compare the right to free speech to the privilege of gun ownership. I mean, that's just abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;38404534]Any source on this? I've never heard of anyone that doesn't hunt as a past-time, just people who use it to supplement[/QUOTE] Lots of people up in the mountains do it. I did it for about 6 months once, but I got tired of prancing around game wardens.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404586]But the right to have it wasn't either, that point is null. And I also love how you're bringing religion into this, a completely off-topic, irrelevant and honestly pointless argument in this discussion.[/QUOTE] Uhhh yeah because the gun rights people worship the Constitution in the same way Christians worship the Bible. They don't question it, and it's completely without flaw for the rest of time.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404596]Yes but its awful how you can actually compare the right to free speech to the privilege of gun ownership. I mean, that's just abhorrent.[/QUOTE] Are you even American? It is our right to do both, the constitution explicitly says we have the right to both.
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