• Lenient gun control leads to greater homicide rates.
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404686]If the constitution said incest or child pornography was a fundamental right there would be nutjobs like the guns rights people out there to defend it.[/QUOTE] Did you just compare ownership of a gun to incest?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404707]Well there is no good argument for retaining it.[/QUOTE] Wrong again. We've got 7 pages of good argument for retaining it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404707]Well there is no good argument for retaining it.[/QUOTE] Conversely there's no good argument for its removal. Funny how that works.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404707]Well there is no good argument for retaining it.[/QUOTE] Home defense, Hunting, Hobby shooting, Sport/target shooting. Theres 4 reasons right there. Whats your reasoning for removing it?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38404714]Wrong again. We've got 7 pages of good argument for retaining it.[/QUOTE] Avatar fits as a purpose of demonstrating circular logic [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]
If there are enough people buying guns to commit crimes with that gun control becomes a viable option, there's no point. A mentality like that being so widespread will continue to ruin life in other ways.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;38404727]Avatar fits as a purpose of demonstrating circular logic[/QUOTE] What the [I]fuck[/I] do avatars have to do with anything?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38404720]Home defense, Hunting, Hobby shooting, Sport/target shooting. Theres 4 reasons right there. Whats your reasoning for removing it?[/QUOTE] Which combined isn't as important as the right to free speech. Gun ownership is a privilege.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38404713]Did you just compare ownership of a gun to incest?[/QUOTE] Why do you think incest is wrong?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404742]Which combined isn't as important as the right to free speech. Gun ownership is a privilege.[/QUOTE] Gun ownership is an inalienable right.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404738]What the [I]fuck[/I] do avatars have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] Circular logic?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404742]Which combined isn't as important as the right to free speech. Gun ownership is a privilege.[/QUOTE] Wrong, it's called a right for a reason. I know that the UK doesn't have a constitution, or you don't know what one is, but it's quite obvious that it's under the "bill of rights", meaning that *gasp* [B]It's a right[/B]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404738]What the [I]fuck[/I] do avatars have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] He wants to have a conjugal visit with Rainbow Dash.
Will this tread just be locked already damnit! There is no more debating. The gun supporters are giving point with sources and sobotnic is having his head up his ass by throwing out childish responses with no sources or references. FUCK.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404684]You are misunderstanding me. It shouldn't be on the list at all.[/QUOTE] Can you tell us exactly why that is? Can you then provide substantial evidence and other relevant data to back it?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404742]Which combined isn't as important as the right to free speech. Gun ownership is a privilege.[/QUOTE] Whether or not gun ownership is more important than freedom of speech is entirely opinion based, and it's irrelevant to what we're [b]supposed[/b] to be discussing here. Theres no logical reason to ban any type of firearms.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;38404766]Will this tread just be locked already damnit! There is no more debating. The gun supporters are giving point with sources and sobotnic is having his head up his ass by throwing out childish responses with no sources or references. FUCK.[/QUOTE] I have given my sources, just that they have been unaccepted due to the possibility they could be right.
[QUOTE=blorgyboy;38404776]Can you tell us exactly why that is? Can you then provide substantial evidence and other relevant data to back it?[/QUOTE] Don't even try, we've been asking for sources and statistics for pages now and he hasn't posted [i]one[/i]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404745]Why do you think incest is wrong?[/QUOTE] I mean, aside from the fact that offspring between siblings is at great risk for mutations, incest is perfectly fine, you're right.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404783]I have given my sources, just that they have been unaccepted due to the possibility they could be right.[/QUOTE] Did you read any of the sources that were posted, or are you just too tired? Probably the latter.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404783]I have given my sources, just that they have been unaccepted due to the possibility they could be right.[/QUOTE] And why does it seem like someone on the other side of the argument has done [B]the exact same thing?[/B]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404783]I have given my sources, just that they have been unaccepted due to the possibility they could be right.[/QUOTE] Your sources were a couple book reviews and a blog post with partial data and no control group.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38404789]I mean, aside from the fact that offspring between siblings is at great risk for mutations, incest is perfectly fine, you're right.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Other than the fact that the primary function of guns is to kill then they're perfectly fine.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404815]Exactly. Other than the fact that the primary function of guns is to kill then they're perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] Primary function of a knife is to cut, whether it be beef, or to slice through your arteries and cause you to bleed to death. Ban knives 2012.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404815]Exactly. Other than the fact that the primary function of guns is to kill then they're perfectly fine.[/QUOTE] Actually, the primary function of guns is to send a high-velocity projectile on a linear path. Whether or not the projectile is harmful to the object it strikes is a very important distinction.
[QUOTE=Ridge;38404810]Your sources were a couple book reviews and a blog post with partial data and no control group.[/QUOTE] The others cited was a falsified study and a crazy guy decrying the huffington post.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404872]The others cited was a falsified study and a crazy guy decrying the huffington post.[/QUOTE] Too bad the huffington post is a biased crock of shit. [B]Edit [/B]On-par with fox
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38404872]The others cited was a falsified study and a crazy guy decrying the huffington post.[/QUOTE] And why was this man crazy?
[url=http://www.ministerhomeaffairs.gov.au/Mediareleases/Pages/2012/First%20quarter/4-March-2012---Crime-falling-across-Australia.aspx]There has been a 27 per cent drop in the number of homicides between 1996 and 2010, with a drop of 11 per cent between 2009 and 2010;[/url] In 1996 Australia passed perhaps the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;38404899][url=http://www.ministerhomeaffairs.gov.au/Mediareleases/Pages/2012/First%20quarter/4-March-2012---Crime-falling-across-Australia.aspx]There has been a 27 per cent drop in the number of homicides between 1996 and 2010, with a drop of 11 per cent between 2009 and 2010;[/url] In 1996 Australia passed perhaps the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.[/QUOTE] And the criminals who are serious about killing people still probably have illegal guns :)
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