[QUOTE=Swilly;49909728]It breaks the rule of two almost instantly.[/QUOTE]
Good thing he's not a Sith.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;49909733]What kind of name is Snoke anyway
they couldn't come up with ANYTHING that actually sounded threatening?[/QUOTE]
its easy to yell for future dramatic trailer shots
[I]Snoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookeeeeee[/I]
[QUOTE=bdd458;49909887]Good thing he's not a Sith.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if he was something like, say, Palpatine's master that he failed to kill seeing as part of his face is scarred and he definitely seems very old in his own right.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;49903615]They spend the entire movie establishing that Chewie's bowcaster fucks people up real good.
It hits a Stormtrooper in the breadbasket and sends him FLYING into a wall, shattering his armor.
Ren had nothing but robes and took a shot right in the kidney, then caught up to our two fleeing protagonists on foot, and fought two opponents (one of whom was a trained former Stormtrooper, the other is a skilled melee fighter who survived in solitude on a hostile desert world with no weapon other than a stick who also is Force adept) to a stand-still.
He didn't get beaten by her, the ground opened up and let her get away after she got a decent, non-fatal shot in.
This whole time, he's reeling from the fact that [sp]he just killed his dad[/sp], his bosses are totally judging him, and his new toy is under attack.
There was a lot going on and it's totally reasonable that he didn't completely stomp everyone.
Chalking the fact that he fails to "stronk womyn" is just a result of not really paying attention to what's happening in the scene.
Might as well say A New Hope ruined Darth Vader because Han buzzes him in the Falcon and sends him spinning off into space; no reason a Sith lord who's such a talented pilot should be bested that easily, right?[/QUOTE]
Well I mean, to be fair him being such a talented pilot was mostly a thing that appeared in the prequels. He seems better than the random stormtroopers but they don't make a big deal out of it in ANH, and the rest of the original trilogy he doesn't really pilot anything.
When Darth Vader fights Ben, he kills him. When Darth Vader fights Luke, he completely dominates the fight and ends up cutting off Luke's hand. That's how you make an effective villain, actually have him beat the shit out of the protagonists initially, build them up to be a legitimate threat.
Conversely, in VI, Ren gets beaten the shit out of by the protagonists, while Snoke isn't built up for anything because he barely exists. It's ironically pretty similar to what the first prequel movie did with Darth Maul and Palpatine.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;49909733]What kind of name is Snoke anyway
they couldn't come up with ANYTHING that actually sounded threatening?[/QUOTE]
Should've asked George Lucas to come up with a name. That always went well.
There are definitely a lot of things that could have been done better in TFA beside the whole "It's ANH 2.0" (Mostly with Rey and Kylo). For now I'm ignoring the similarities because I understand their goal of introducing SW to new generations. I seriously hope next episode they'll go a bit more wild.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49911212]Should've asked George Lucas to come up with a name. That always went well.[/QUOTE]
Honesty, Smoke doesn't sound much better than "Darth Icky".
I did not care for the film the first time I watched it, As someone with no real nostalgic connection to star wars, all the pauses for the callbacks to the originals started to make me roll my eyes.
The first two were ok, [sp] The M. Falcon joke had set up, and Harrison Ford being in it is pretty cool[/sp] but after that it became overkill.
I think by far the worst one was [sp]This was the Death Star, and this is the BIGGER Death star.[/sp]
My feelings during the movie was that I felt like I was always just waiting for it to start, and it never really did.
It was very actiony, and good action too, but the plot and character development was pretty lacking.
I mean I like the characters, especially Fin, but they really didn't get enough time to grow on me.
I saw it mentioned here earlier that someone said
[sp]Rey is a Marry sue for fighting Ren. Which I don't believe.
But she is a Mary sue in her piloting skills, I mean she just scavenged parts off a planet her entire life.
Yet she can somehow fly a ship made to be flown by two people on her first try without any real trouble?
And then she fixes and issue and upstages that same ships original Pilot? Now THATS some Mary sue writing.[/sp]
I've seen the film again since then, and it was more enjoyable on the second watch, but all things considered,
I'd say TFA isn't a very good entry point to the series, you definitely need knowledge of at least IV- VI to enjoy it.
but on a completely different topic can anyone explain to me why
[sp]C3P0 gets a red arm, they have him point out the red arm, and then it goes away in the final shot of him in the movie?[/sp]
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;49909689]Because those movies stood on their own. They were the first ones out. All Vader need to be was tall and imposing. All the Emperor needed to be was evil and twisted. We instantly know all we need to know about them.
Like the crawl in IV says there's Empire and Rebels. The next shot shows us the small blockade runner and the giant imposing Star Destoryer. We instantly know who is who without being told directly. And when we see Vader we know who he is too without being told directly. He's some special agent in the Empire and is big and scary. We're on the same page as Leia really; we know he's a big asshole. So they didn't go unexplained, just minimal explicit explanation + visual story telling.
But with Snoke we have 60 years of history within this universe that his presence fucks up. With Vader/Emperor we didn't so their back stories didn't matter. But Luke bringing balance to the force at the end of VI is apparently overridden with no explanation. If it was just Ren that went rouge and fucked it all up that would've explained it; but nothing explains Snoke. And again the characters in the universe know the explanation. But there's not anything for the audience (visual or directly) to explain anything.
Snoke warrants an explanation where the Emperor and Vader didn't. There's a big hole in the script.
Fair point about me ranting about what they could do with Snoke's explanation, but in my defense this was widley talked about / speculated about before release. There were several leaks that pointed to his identity as well.
Also other thing I forgot about (its been 3 months, give me a break) was how Rey and Han finished each others sentences. It works maybe once? But the three or four times they did it felt forced. Its like a gag or a joke that wasn't that funny the first time but happens a few more times in rapid succession. It doesn't feel right or natural. And its an [I]extremely [/I]lazy way of showing that Rey and Han get along / have a connection.[/QUOTE]
this is just you making crazy ass assumptions though? who says it overrides luke's work? what kind of logic are you going by? i cannot begin to comprehend how you'd get to the conclusion that one bad guy existing means luke didn't do shit
[QUOTE=Oizen;49911304][sp]Rey is a Marry sue for fighting Ren. Which I don't believe.
But she is a Mary sue in her piloting skills, I mean she just scavenged parts off a planet her entire life.
Yet she can somehow fly a ship made to be flown by two people on her first try without any real trouble?
And then she fixes and issue and upstages that same ships original Pilot? Now THATS some Mary sue writing.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]she was familiar with the falcon from living on the planet where it had been and working on it, so she knew how to reverse the modifications that had been made to it since Han lost it. She knows how to pilot from being around ships so much and learning about how they work. They could have had some shitty expository dialogue to explain this but then people would be complaining about that. She's a pilot, she says she's a pilot, that's all it takes. She doesn't even get the hang of the falcon until after she's crashed into things.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Oizen;49911304]but on a completely different topic can anyone explain to me why
[sp]C3P0 gets a red arm, they have him point out the red arm, and then it goes away in the final shot of him in the movie?[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think it was nothing more than a funny line about C3PO thinking his red arm might have made him unrecognisable.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;49909733]What kind of name is Snoke anyway
they couldn't come up with ANYTHING that actually sounded threatening?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I'd take snoke over sheev any day of the week.
Seriously fucking Sheev? Thats the name you're gonna give palpatine? Sheev?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49911516]Honestly I'd take snoke over sheev any day of the week.
Seriously fucking Sheev? Thats the name you're gonna give palpatine? Sheev?[/QUOTE]
It should have been Steve.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49911516]Honestly I'd take snoke over sheev any day of the week.
Seriously fucking Sheev? Thats the name you're gonna give palpatine? Sheev?[/QUOTE]
He's pretty much always referred to as Palpatine or Darth Sidious though. I can't remember him even being called Sheev at any point in the movies.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;49912204]He's pretty much always referred to as Palpatine or Darth Sidious though. I can't remember him even being called Sheev at any point in the movies.[/QUOTE]
That's because his name was released in "Tarkin", a novel.
[QUOTE=Damjen;49912257]That's because his name was released in "Tarkin", a novel.[/QUOTE]
It was Sheev far far before that. Like at least sonce Episode 1's visual dictonary.
[QUOTE=bdd458;49912468]It was Sheev far far before that. Like at least sonce Episode 1's visual dictonary.[/QUOTE]
This is factually incorrect. Disney named Sheev. It's part of the new canon.
The biggest gripe I have with the final fight wasn't [sp]Ray beating the shit out of Ren, though that whole turnaround was pretty silly.[/sp] The big issue I had was how Ren [sp]took a fucking Bowcaster bolt to the kidney and carried on like it was a regular crossbow bolt.[/sp]
We've seen previously in the movie and the rest of canon what [sp]Bowcasters[/sp] do to people. It's basically like if you take the crossbow from Half-Life 2 and turn it into a plasma gun. People who get hit with it are knocked straight off their feet and blown a yard or so backwards. So why, when [sp]Ren gets hit by a bolt BY SURPRISE, is he not heaved ass-over-teakettle into the chasm?[/sp]
If [sp]Ren[/sp] had been knocked off and forced to climb back up, it would have rather handily explained why it took so long for him to catch up to Ray and Finn, and why he'd be so exhausted. What we got instead was [sp]Ren standing there and sobbing like a teenager while he gave his enemies a few minutes' head start.[/sp]
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