[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16024308]I saw an FAL at my local gunstore for a thousand bucks. Good deal? Of course I have nowhere near the amount of money to buy it, but I'm just curious. It had an ice feel to it, and was quit bulky. How hard is it to find ammunition?[/QUOTE]
It fires 7.62x51, AKA .308, so very easy.
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[QUOTE=PenisColada;16024364]Dude, do an article on some famous/awesome 19th century guns
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like a volcanic or henry or winchester or a revolver or something[/QUOTE]
Um, look on the first page.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16023000]It's been on the to-do list since the beginning but I've kept putting it off. I'll definitely get around to it eventually though.[/QUOTE]
Have you considered dedicating some write ups to some prolific rounds?
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16024308]I saw an FAL at my local gunstore for a thousand bucks. Good deal? Of course I have nowhere near the amount of money to buy it, but I'm just curious. It had an ice feel to it, and was quit bulky. How hard is it to find ammunition?[/QUOTE]
It all depends on the manufacturer, if it's a Century Arms gun, the answer is a definite no, that is a terrible price, if it's DSA Arms, however, then it's a pretty good, if not average deal.
Hmm. So how can I tell the difference?
Bean-O, I remember you... I think
Anyways. I would like to know: there is any effective, lower recoil gatling gun that can be carried/used by a human?
Btw, talk about the recoil system of the Kriss and the Taurus pistols if possible
No. Read the Weeaboo Weaponry thread.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16026945]Hmm. So how can I tell the difference?[/QUOTE]
Somewhere on the receiver the manufacturer's name is stamped on it.
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[QUOTE=Joxalot;16026952]Bean-O, I remember you... I think
Anyways. I would like to know: there is any effective, lower recoil gatling gun that can be carried/used by a human?
Btw, talk about the recoil system of the Kriss and the Taurus pistols if possible[/QUOTE]
The Kriss is laughable, unreliable, heavy and gimmicky, and most people regard Taurus as junk or just not very good.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16027035]
The Kriss is laughable, unreliable, heavy and gimmicky, and most people regard Taurus as junk or just not very good.[/QUOTE]
Taurus...
Ahahahaa. Just this week a friend brought a new millenium pistol.
He can't get it to cycle a round without jamming. I had much the same experience with my PT24/7.
My father's taurus .38 revolver can't handle +P loads and has paper thing cylinder walls.
Taurus is junk STAY AWAY.
BUT THEY MAKE THE RAGING BULL THE BEST GUN EVAR BESIDES THE DEAGLE
:downs:
[QUOTE=Prismatex;16027434]BUT THEY MAKE THE RAGING BULL THE BEST GUN EVAR BESIDES THE DEAGLE
:downs:[/QUOTE]
You gotta admit, that thing does look pretty badass.
Yet it's shit.
Yeah, at least we have the Raging Bull
Taurus is like the fast food of the firearm world. They are cheap and there are worse guns but you should still stay away.
... And the Judge...
Make a post about Taurus' revolvers
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[QUOTE=Bean-O;16027685]Taurus is like the fast food of the firearm world. They are cheap and there are worse guns but you should still stay away.[/QUOTE]
Aplying to the pistols or the whole weapons?
[QUOTE=Joxalot;16027914]... And the Judge...
Make a post about Taurus' revolvers
[editline]10:47PM[/editline]
Aplying to the pistols or the whole weapons?[/QUOTE]
You realize when taurus made their raging bull, they couldn't manage to find good enough steel to make a 6 shot cylinder so they made a bojank 5 shot cylinder.
While ruger can manage a 6 shot in .454 for less money.
The judge is also a worthless piece of shit targeted at rednecks who think birdshot is a viable self defense option. It has trouble penetrating a water jug.
But you can load it with shotgun shells
[QUOTE=Joxalot;16028290]But you can load it with shotgun shells[/QUOTE]
Well no shit sherlock.
That's why I commented on the birdshot.
The only thing worth running in it is .45LC. And there's MUCH better revolvers chambered in that at a better price point.
[url]http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm[/url]
All about the Taurus Judge.
Yeah, it says pretty much what the above poster said. It sucks with any kind of shot/slug.
68)RK 62.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/assault/valmet_62.jpg[/img]
Finland has had a very long history of "borrowing" and improving firearms from its Russian neighbors. In fact Finnish variants of Mosin Nagants for instance, are greatly prized by shooters and collectors alike for their excellent quality.
When the time came to adopt an assault rifle in the 1960s the choice was obvious.
At that time, even with incidents such as the winter war relations between the two neighbors were favorable and a number of original milled-receiver AK-47 rifles were submitted for trials. What was ultimately adopted however does variate slightly from the original formula.
Rather than having the under-folding stock the RK-62 (as it was later designated) has a tube.This is somewhat sturdier and at the same time lighter. A wooden stocked variant was issued as well, but it didn't see that much service. The grips were also redesigned. They were made of plastic to reduce weight and the ergonomics are somewhat improved as well. Another tweak was the gas system which is a bit more refined. More importantly the rear sight assembly was moved to the end of the receiver and replaced with a peephole or aperture sight, rather than a notch. This approach more closely resembles the M1 Garand and AR-15 series.
More importantly the worksmanship of each individual weapon is top-notch. The contract to manufacture this gun went out to Valmet and Sako which are renown for supreme quality. This, coupled with the reworked gas system and improved sights means that the RK-62 is not just significantly more expensive than the bog-standard AK, it is also significantly more accurate. In fact some have reported 1-MOA groups at 100 yards which is completely unheard of in any other AK variant chambered in the old 7.62x39mm round.
That is one of the quirks of the RK. It doesn't use 5.56 NATO or 5.45, so it still has a range limited to about 300-400 yards on a good day which the Finns believe to be quite adequate. There are, however export versions in the newer caliber. 5.56 versions were offered for export sales in the 1970s as the Valmet M76. Buyers were at first somewhat skeptical. But today Quatar and Indonesia use them. Various Valmets in both 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 occasionally pop up in conflict zones such as anti-terrorist operations in south-east asia but the high price tag makes many potential customers a tad reluctant.
The most famous variant however is the IMI Galil, which is a direct descendant of the series and has, in fact proven to be even more successful. Recently Finland adopted the RK-95 to serve alongside the older models. It has a stamped receiver to save weight and a side-folding stock borrowed from the Galil. On top of that LMG variants were made in 7.62x39mm for Finnish service and 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for export.
That isn't to say that this is exclusively a military weapon.
Almost from the beginning civilian versions were manufactured alongside their military counterparts in the same factory with the same care and standard of quality. As well as the 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 versions the LMG variants were sold in semi-automatic-only configurations as well. They were widely marketed within the United States. This created one of the more interesting bits of trivia in movie history. Did you know that pretty much every Hollywood movie that has AK-47s in it up until the late 1980s used almost nothing but Valmets? They were constantly used as analogs for Ivan's favorite assault rifle. The LMG variant was also used as a stand-in for the RPK. This is because back then the various Russian-made versions were simply not available on the US market.
So there you have it.
A long military history which continues today, almost 400k rifles in existence, a descendant which is more prolific than the original, plenty of civilian and export versions and a ton of screen-time in old action movies. Perhaps still kind of shaky as far as prolific firearms go, but it deserves a mention nonetheless.
Nice article!
[QUOTE=Prismatex;16028538][url]http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm[/url]
All about the Taurus Judge.
Yeah, it says pretty much what the above poster said. It sucks with any kind of shot/slug.[/QUOTE]
Yea, it's cool none the less and would be a fun gun to shoot.
But as for a "weapon" it's pathetic.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16009908]67)Hi-Point 995 Carbine
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Hp995carbine2.jpg[/img]
While there is much speculation and debate among gun owners about the merits of Hi-Point's pistols there is little debate that their first product, the 995 carbine is an excellent design for its intended purpose.
In simple terms the 995 is an advent of the federal assault weapons ban which was enacted in the 1990's. It lacks many of the various features associated with all the "scary" rifles and comes with a 10 round magazine. In operation it is a 9x19mm semi-automatic rifle with a simple blowback-operated mechanism. Not exactly rocket science.
The real genius is in the way Hi-Point did it.
Since the 995 represents a concept meant to fill the void caused by the then-banned UZI and MAC rifles they could have made it very expensive. But instead of trying to make a whole lot of money for every gun they sell, they adopted a different strategy. Just have a very simple inexpensive gun that works great, cut every possible corner in the production stage and sell it for the lowest price possible while still earning a profit.
But they didn't stop there.
Hi-Point offered and continues to offer a life-time warranty for every gun they make. That means that if you have one and it's b0rked, you send it in for repairs and they'll fix it up for you free of charge. Even if you're not the original owner. This way they tackled some of the skepticism they would expect to be levied against such an inexpensive (and let's admit it, very ugly) weapon.
Predictably this was a recipe for success.
While it was still very ugly, it offered a decent 9mm rifle for often under 200$. There aren't many .22lr rifles that are that cheap. People really liked this thing too. It was swiftly reported to be highly reliable, many claim to have fired thousands of rounds through it with no malfunctions. Many also claim that for a 9mm rifle it is reasonably accurate as well. Overall an excellent range toy or a plinker if you have tons of 9mm ammo sitting around. It also presents an interesting concept for self-defense. Since it fires the 9mm it doesn't penetrate too many layers of drywall or bark like a rifle, but it is still very easy to control. At the same time it has significantly more range than a handgun which is ideal if you have a spacious property. The menacing and ugly appearance also scores a few points in the intimidation department. Overall 200$ for all this and a bag of chips swiftly earned the 995 a healthy following. It sold almost 30,000 rifles in 1998 alone.
But it gets better.
Hi-Point later announced a version chambered in .40 S&W called the 4095. It too sold very well. A series of handguns followed soon after and it was found that although Hi-Point never mentioned it in their marketing the magazines between the .40 caliber pistol and rifle are interchangeable. While the 9mm pistol can take the rifle's magazines but not vice-versa.
In all both guns represent a wonderful bargain and are still widely available to various civilian shooters today. They are prized by their customers for the low price, the wonderful reliability, the unbeatable warranty and as a result of these merits an aftermarket has formed to cater to the numerous 995 and 4095 owners. A company called ATI manufactures replacement stocks that make the gun resemble the Beretta Storm. With the death of the assault weapons ban 15 round magazines have also become available, although Hi-Point still only sells 10-rounders.
On the other side of the coin it was never marketed to either military or law enforcement which would have relatively little use for such a weapon. It has also been seen as a target for occasional firearm legislation due to its appearance which is often mistaken for an assault rifle and due to its prolific nature. There was also much outrage when one was used in the infamous Columbine shooting.
In simple terms it is a cheap, ugly although relatively good knockabout plinker. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn't a world-beater and it isn't a name associated with many romantic notions. But there's no denying that it's a success.[/QUOTE]
no no no this is all wrong anything made by hi point is a piece of shit
I'd like to see an article about the best sniping gun in the world, please.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16029055]68)RK 62.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/assault/valmet_62.jpg[/img]
Finland has had a very long history of "borrowing" and improving firearms from its Russian neighbors. In fact Finnish variants of Mosin Nagants for instance, are greatly prized by shooters and collectors alike for their excellent quality.
When the time came to adopt an assault rifle in the 1960s the choice was obvious.
At that time, even with incidents such as the winter war relations between the two neighbors were favorable and a number of original milled-receiver AK-47 rifles were submitted for trials. What was ultimately adopted however does variate slightly from the original formula.
Rather than having the under-folding stock the RK-62 (as it was later designated) has a tube.This is somewhat sturdier and at the same time lighter. A wooden stocked variant was issued as well, but it didn't see that much service. The grips were also redesigned. They were made of plastic to reduce weight and the ergonomics are somewhat improved as well. Another tweak was the gas system which is a bit more refined. More importantly the rear sight assembly was moved to the end of the receiver and replaced with a peephole or aperture sight, rather than a notch. This approach more closely resembles the M1 Garand and AR-15 series.
More importantly the worksmanship of each individual weapon is top-notch. The contract to manufacture this gun went out to Valmet and Sako which are renown for supreme quality. This, coupled with the reworked gas system and improved sights means that the RK-62 is not just significantly more expensive than the bog-standard AK, it is also significantly more accurate. In fact some have reported 1-MOA groups at 100 yards which is completely unheard of in any other AK variant chambered in the old 7.62x39mm round.
That is one of the quirks of the RK. It doesn't use 5.56 NATO or 5.45, so it still has a range limited to about 300-400 yards on a good day which the Finns believe to be quite adequate. There are, however export versions in the newer caliber. 5.56 versions were offered for export sales in the 1970s as the Valmet M76. Buyers were at first somewhat skeptical. But today Quatar and Indonesia use them. Various Valmets in both 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 occasionally pop up in conflict zones such as anti-terrorist operations in south-east asia but the high price tag makes many potential customers a tad reluctant.
The most famous variant however is the IMI Galil, which is a direct descendant of the series and has, in fact proven to be even more successful. Recently Finland adopted the RK-95 to serve alongside the older models. It has a stamped receiver to save weight and a side-folding stock borrowed from the Galil. On top of that LMG variants were made in 7.62x39mm for Finnish service and 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for export.
That isn't to say that this is exclusively a military weapon.
Almost from the beginning civilian versions were manufactured alongside their military counterparts in the same factory with the same care and standard of quality. As well as the 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 versions the LMG variants were sold in semi-automatic-only configurations as well. They were widely marketed within the United States. This created one of the more interesting bits of trivia in movie history. Did you know that pretty much every Hollywood movie that has AK-47s in it up until the late 1980s used almost nothing but Valmets? They were constantly used as analogs for Ivan's favorite assault rifle. The LMG variant was also used as a stand-in for the RPK. This is because back then the various Russian-made versions were simply not available on the US market.
So there you have it.
A long military history which continues today, almost 400k rifles in existence, a descendant which is more prolific than the original, plenty of civilian and export versions and a ton of screen-time in old action movies. Perhaps still kind of shaky as far as prolific firearms go, but it deserves a mention nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Finally! :D
Nice article too.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16024308]I saw an FAL at my local gunstore for a thousand bucks. Good deal? Of course I have nowhere near the amount of money to buy it, but I'm just curious. It had a nice feel to it, and was quite bulky. How hard is it to find ammunition?[/QUOTE]
if you have not got enough money to buy a FAL you have not got enough money to buy ammo for it, think of it that way
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16029809]if you have not got enough money to buy a FAL you have not got enough money to buy ammo for it, think of it that way[/QUOTE]
I lol'd. This is true, but anyway, most decent FAL knockoffs will run you about $1000, though if you are are willing to dish out more dosh, a DSA FAL will be markedly better.
Also keep in mind as to whether the FAL you're buying is ideally chambered in .308 or 7.62x51mm. You can probably fire both safely, but check the headspace anyway. Different commercial loads might not be so kind to your weapon.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16009908]67)Hi-Point 995 Carbine
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Hp995carbine2.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking about getting one of these for a while. Maybe put on some new furniture and spruce the thing up a bit to make it look halfway decent :P
I think they look kinda cool personally, the gun is very ergonomic.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;16024393]Um, look on the first page.[/QUOTE]
yeah but how bout some 19th century revolvers
do something on pinfire revolvers, they were like the cheap saturday night specials of their time
You guys want me to do the SVT-40 next?
[img]http://media.fukung.net/images/16617/1235400729896.gif[/img]
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