Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

Sounds good.

Yes please.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16031725]I've been thinking about getting one of these for a while. Maybe put on some new furniture and spruce the thing up a bit to make it look halfway decent :P[/QUOTE] don't get this instead [url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/23517[/url] if you want a pistol caliber carbine hi points universally suck don't ever think twice about getting one

At the same gunstore I also saw an SVT-40 for about 900 bucks. Equally good deal?

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16041895]At the same gunstore I also saw an SVT-40 for about 900 bucks. Equally good deal?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't waste money on collector's items. They're just going lose value where as things like AR15s and any practical weapons will skyrocket when they end up banned soon. Buy collector's items after the bans.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16045514]I wouldn't waste money on collector's items. They're just going lose value where as things like AR15s and any practical weapons will skyrocket when they end up banned soon. Buy collector's items after the bans.[/QUOTE] Who says that there's going to be a ban on weapons?

Obama has said he wants to do so and his "something or other guy that has some mad influence" was the dude who was super gungho on banning rifles, but at this point they have much more worthy things to do.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16041895]At the same gunstore I also saw an SVT-40 for about 900 bucks. Equally good deal?[/QUOTE] 900 bucks? Depends on the condition. If it is beaten up I wouldn't pay that much. They usually go for around 600-1100$ Also: 69)SVT-40 (Samozaradnaya Vintovka Tokoreva/Selfloading Rifle Tokarev model of 1940) [img]http://world.guns.ru/rifle/svt40r.jpg[/img] People tend to think that Soviet troops were ill-equipped for the second world war. While this is true thanks to the frequent shortages that can't be said of the weapons available to them. Quality control may have been imperfect but just about everything they used was effective. One such weapon is the SVT-40. Many people don't know that like the Americans, Russia too was developing semi-automatic infantry rifles in the 1930's. During this time Torarev (the designer of the TT-33) and Simonov (who would later go on to make the SKS) were both trying to make such a rifle. Tokarev was attempting to use a simple recoil system which he could never get to function properly while Simonov made the AVS-36 which used a gas system and was adopted soon after trials. But the AVS was critically flawed and unreliable, so a contract was put out for anyone to make a better rifle. This time Tokarev went for a gas system and came up with the SVT-38 which was adopted and soon after some tweaking put into production as the SVT-40. The rifle itself is pretty strait-forward. It fires 7.62x54mmR ammunition out of a 10 round removable magazine. It uses a gas system which greatly resembles that of the FN-49. Again, it isn't known if the development of either rifle was influenced by the other. But the internals closely resemble that of the 49 and by proxy the FN FAL. The reactions of various soldiers tended to be mixed. While it offered a substantially higher rate of fire than the Mosin Nagant the SVT-40 wasn't as accurate. Thus, while about 50,000 sniper variants were made it wasn't as popular for that role as the Mosin Nagant. Riflemen too had a somewhat mixed reaction. They were very quick to dub it "over-complicated", "inaccurate" and "unreliable". However these distinctions were the result of poor training on the part of the user. Not so much the fault of the rifle which was in practice about as good as the M1 Garand, even slightly better when you consider the magazine. Indeed elite troops who carried SVT-40s such as the Sea Infantry (the soviet equivalent to Marines) greatly prized such a weapon and took full advantage of it. It also proved popular with those who captured it. SVT-38s were captured in large numbers during the Winter War and used to much greater effect than their original owners could manage. This was helped by the fact that Finland at the time was already using the 7.62x54mmR round. Later on it became greatly sought-after by German troops who would base some of their own (and much less successful) semi-automatic rifles off of this design. Indeed many were captured and re-issued in their original caliber. Sometimes even re-captured by the Soviets. Occasionally one will pop up at an auction that has several re-arsenaling stamps on it, indicating that it has been captured, re-captured and reissued by both sides numerous times during its relatively brief service history. While it was only used around WW2 it was used in huge numbers. In all more than 1.5 million were manufactured and used. An impressive sum by any standard. In fact the plan was to have about 1/3 of all riflemen carry it, although this proved somewhat optimistic and the supply often lagged behind. This is because of all the SVT-40s merits it isn't as simple to mass-produce as other war-time soviet firearms. The usefulness and greater simplicity of the PPSH-41 meant that often times arsenals would rather fill out an order of PPSH SMGs twice the size of an order of SVT-40s. This is what ultimately cut the life of this weapon short. After the war production ground to a halt and most SVTs were stuffed into arsenals never to be seen again. Well, that's not entirely true. A number were sold off to various client states. For instance several thousand found their way to Cuba, just in time for the revolution. Thousands more were sold within Russia to hunters over the years since the powerful ammunition is ideal for hunting game. Many were imported to the United States where they remain sought after by collectors to this day. It also remains popular with shooters due to the inexpensive nature of the ammunition, although SVTs are nowhere near as prolific as other rifles such as the Mosin Nagant and therefore demand a significantly higher price.

Nice article!

Do the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895, I got to fire the carbine variant last Sunday and I have to say it is a very interesting (and expensive) weapon to fire!

[QUOTE=redonkulous;16045815]Obama has said he wants to do so and his "something or other guy that has some mad influence" was the dude who was super gungho on banning rifles, but at this point they have much more worthy things to do.[/QUOTE] They already tried but it got shot down in a big hurry. They were trying to say illegal weapons ending up in mexico warranted another assault weapons ban, which actually caused crime rates to climb during it's duration. (Assault weapons ban just covers visual features on guns, it doesn't ban any functional part of the weapon. So basically it's a ban on cosmetics and entirely retarded.) They're stupid and will ban guns just to spite people if given an inch, in other words. I figure we'll see a ban in the next 6 months to a year.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16039818]don't get this instead [url]http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/23517[/url] if you want a pistol caliber carbine hi points universally suck don't ever think twice about getting one[/QUOTE] ~$750 for a pistol caliber carbine? No thanks. Hi-Point's carbines have a good reputation. Their pistols are shit, but their carbines are decent.

[QUOTE=LOLturtle;16047479]~$750 for a pistol caliber carbine? No thanks. Hi-Point's carbines have a good reputation. Their pistols are shit, but their carbines are decent.[/QUOTE] If you're going to pay that kind of money you may as well get a 5.56 gun.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16047569]If you're going to pay that kind of money you may as well get a 5.56 gun.[/QUOTE] You could find an AK or a saiga cheaper yet. I just did a conversion on a saiga to return it back to being more like a normal AK and it was fairly easy. I got the gun originally for $219, and it cost me $140 for the parts to convert it. Of course good luck finding it that cheap now; it's still cheaper than that carbine. Americanized saiga: [img]http://www.keepshooting.com/productimages/firearms/shotguns/saiga12gaugeshotgunbig.jpg[/img] My saiga after I converted it: [img]http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7586/gunsf.jpg[/img] It's a hell of a lot better than that damn carbine. You'll also learn some things about the workings of an AK's fire control group that may come in handy should the government ever disappear. Also, you'll never realize how badly fucked up the americanized saiga is until you feel the balance, weight, and trigger of a proper one.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16047615]My saiga after I converted it: [img]http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7586/gunsf.jpg[/img][/quote] Tacticool on that AR-15. [quote]It's a hell of a lot better than that damn carbine. You'll also learn some things about the workings of an AK's fire control group that may come in handy [B]should the government ever disappear.[/B] Also, you'll never realize how badly fucked up the americanized saiga is until you feel the balance, weight, and trigger of a proper one.[/QUOTE] Survivalist?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV0;16047677]Tacticool on that AR-15. [/QUOTE] What's tacticool about it? There's no rails, there's no lights, there's no do-dads. I've got an aimpoint comp M2 on it, and that's it. It's barely even 8 pounds loaded with 30 rounds.

Looked somewhat tacticool upon first glance. Looking back, never mind.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV0;16047677] Survivalist?[/QUOTE] More like, if I tell you in a public forum I'll go to jail but I'm sure google can point you in the right direction.

Oh, you plan on killing the President?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV0;16047756]Oh, you plan on killing the President?[/QUOTE] No, more like... BRAATTATATATATATATA Damn I wish my gun was made before 1986...

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16045514]I wouldn't waste money on collector's items. They're just going lose value where as things like AR15s and any practical weapons will skyrocket when they end up banned soon. Buy collector's items after the bans.[/QUOTE] It's the other way around ma boi, SVT-40s are going to be worth more in a couple years where as AR15s are most likely going to drop in price when everyone figures out they've had their head up their ass the entire time and Obama isn't going to do anything about their guns. [editline]08:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DrMortician;16047774]No, more like... BRAATTATATATATATATA Damn I wish my gun was made before 1986...[/QUOTE] Illegal machine guns obviously.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16047785]It's the other way around ma boi, SVT-40s are going to be worth more in a couple years where as AR15s are most likely going to drop in price when everyone figures out they've had their head up their ass the entire time and Obama isn't going to do anything about their guns.[/QUOTE] Play it naive if you want. [editline]10:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;16047785] Illegal machine guns obviously.[/QUOTE] I still need to look that up, I'm pretty sure there's a way to go about it legally. I know there is for a normal AK, but for the saiga, I'm not sure. It's not illegal to own a fully automatic weapon, there's just a bunch of rules regarding it, paper work, and a tax stamp. I do know you can apply to make the weapon a short barreled shotgun, and do the paperwork/pay the tax stamp then hack your barrel as far back as you want, perfectly legally.

-Disragard this post, forgot read the OP-

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16046597]Do the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895, I got to fire the carbine variant last Sunday and I have to say it is a very interesting (and expensive) weapon to fire![/QUOTE] This and this, it was used in both World Wars by the Austro-Hungarians, then the Hungarian army and the German Police. I've got one, very very cool rifle, especially considering it costs about as much as a Mosin Nagant.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16047813]Play it naive if you want.[/QUOTE] You only make yourself look stupid when you say things like that. [QUOTE=Resistance777;16047935]Uh, PKM? Made from the same guy who made the Ak47?[/QUOTE] #39.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16047813]Play it naive if you want.[/QUOTE] Unless the ban on importing them is ever lifted, SVT-40s are not going to go anywhere but up, and even if the ban is lifted they will only go down to about $450, which is what the Canadians pay for them, maybe less and then they'll just continue to go up in price. Surplus weapons don't go down in price unless a shitload of them begin to flood the country. Also, Obama isn't going to do anything, he can't, he doesn't have the support (Congress doesn't want a new AWB, believe it or not), and he doesn't even want to. [QUOTE=DrMortician;16047813]I still need to look that up, I'm pretty sure there's a way to go about it legally. I know there is for a normal AK, but for the saiga, I'm not sure. It's not illegal to own a fully automatic weapon, there's just a bunch of rules regarding it, paper work, and a tax stamp. I do know you can apply to make the weapon a short barreled shotgun, and do the paperwork/pay the tax stamp then hack your barrel as far back as you want, perfectly legally.[/QUOTE] It's illegal for a civilian to manufacture a machine gun, this includes converting any gun to full auto. You need to be a Class 2 builder with a shitload of paper work done before you can even think about it. You can own a machine gun manufactured and registered before May, 1986 but no new machine guns can be registered or manufactured for civilian use.

Loving the new updates on this thread Bean-O. My younger brother whose reading this thread wants you to do an article on the Smith & Wesson 500.:v:

[QUOTE=PrismatexV0;16047982]You only make yourself look stupid when you say things like that. [/QUOTE] Not really, have you been watching the bills going through the houses lately? Gun owners are dodging bullets (lol) just about every time a new bill comes up. Hell, just a couple months ago was going to require every single round bought to be registered and taxed, including any ammunition you create at home.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048026]Not really, have you been watching the bills going through the houses lately? Gun owners are dodging bullets (lol) just about every time a new bill comes up. Hell, just a couple months ago was going to require every single round bought to be registered and taxed, including any ammunition you create at home.[/QUOTE] You are aware that these things go through Congress all the time right? There may be an influx in them because the nutjobs are thinking Obama and Congress will back them but they never go through because Congress really doesn't want to get tangled up in this shit again like they did with the last AWB.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048026]Not really, have you been watching the bills going through the houses lately? Gun owners are dodging bullets (lol) just about every time a new bill comes up. Hell, just a couple months ago was going to require every single round bought to be registered and taxed, including any ammunition you create at home.[/QUOTE] And were any of these things passing?