[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16048001]
It's illegal for a civilian to manufacture a machine gun, this includes converting any gun to full auto. You need to be a Class 2 builder with a shitload of paper work done before you can even think about it.
You can own a machine gun manufactured and registered before May, 1986 but no new machine guns can be registered or manufactured for civilian use.[/QUOTE]
There's loopholes. Like buying a registered full auto sear for an AK47.
Which is what I was referring to.
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16048062]You are aware that these things go through Congress all the time right? There may be an influx in them because the nutjobs are thinking Obama and Congress will back them but they never go through because Congress really doesn't want to get tangled up in this shit again like they did with the last AWB.[/QUOTE]
Half the bills passing through the houses currently are barely even inspected before being voted on.
It's very possible something could sneak by.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048083]There's loopholes. Like buying a registered full auto sear for an AK47.
Which is what I was referring to.[/QUOTE]
That sear was registered before 1986 and counts as a machine gun just as much as an entire AK does, so it's the same thing really, and it costs about the same amount of money. It's not really a loophole.
I've never even seen any registered sears for AK's for sale before, the only ones I've seen are for HK guns.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048083]Half the bills passing through the houses currently are barely even inspected before being voted on.
It's very possible something could sneak by.[/QUOTE]
Possible, but highly unlikely.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048083]Half the bills passing through the houses currently are barely even inspected before being voted on.
It's very possible something could sneak by.[/QUOTE]
:tinfoil:
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048083]Half the bills passing through the houses currently are barely even inspected before being voted on.
It's very possible something could sneak by.[/QUOTE]
:ughh:
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16045514]I wouldn't waste money on collector's items.
They're just going lose value where as things like AR15s and any practical weapons will skyrocket when they end up banned soon.
Buy collector's items after the bans.[/QUOTE]
wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong milsurp always increases in value 100% of the time
I don't know what a good price for an SVT-40 is, but I hear they're hard to find in the US and are getting more expensive as time goes on (hell, all milsurp is), so I'd buy what you want NOW while it's relatively cheap.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048429]wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong milsurp always increases in value 100% of the time
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How about mosins? They've been around for ever, and they still only run $50-75.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048429]wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong milsurp always increases in value 100% of the time
I don't know what a good price for an SVT-40 is, but I hear they're hard to find in the US and are getting more expensive as time goes on (hell, all milsurp is), so I'd buy what you want NOW while it's relatively cheap.[/QUOTE]
$900 is a good price for an all matching gun without a plum bolt, if it has a plum (red) bolt then $700-$800 is a better price.
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[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048454]How about mosins? They've been around for ever, and they still only run $50-75.[/QUOTE]
Because they're still flooding the country.
ugh christ drmortician are you serious
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[QUOTE=DrMortician;16048454]How about mosins? They've been around for ever, and they still only run $50-75.[/QUOTE]
you're wrong as fuck a 91/30 can run for 100$ at LEAST now, and m44s are topping out at around 150$
Basically :dogout: you're spreading misinformation and stupid conspiracies itt, milsurp is only going to get more expensive as time goes on; anyone that is remotely interested in milsurp should at LEAST buy a RC K98, K31, and an Enfield (if you can find one for a cheap enough price) before they shoot up. Back in January or so, aimsurplus has a batch of Enfields for 150 dollars. Now, I can't find any GOOD ones for sub-$300. I only wish I had gotten into guns back when Nagants were $50 and K31s were $100.
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16048472]$900 is a good price for an all matching gun without a plum bolt, if it has a plum (red) bolt then $700-$800 is a better price.
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Because they're still flooding the country.[/QUOTE]
Does it have something to do with what the bolt is made out of? I assume they get plum colored due to oxidation.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048513]Does it have something to do with what the bolt is made out of? I assume they get plum colored due to oxidation.[/QUOTE]
Guns with Plum bolts are arsenal refinished, and probably re-serial numbered because they're rebuilt at the arsenal. When they refinish them they reblue the entire gun, something with the bluing process causes the chrome/nickel or whatever plated bolt to turn red.
Personally I think it looks badass as hell.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16048650]Guns with Plum bolts are arsenal refinished, and probably re-serial numbered because they're rebuilt at the arsenal. When they refinish them they reblue the entire gun, something with the bluing process causes the chrome/nickel or whatever plated bolt to turn red.
Personally I think it looks badass as hell.[/QUOTE]
In the case of the Russians, they rearsenaled EVERYTHING, so what's it matter? (I know it's more collectible if it hasn't been refinished but I'm just saying)
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048513]you're wrong as fuck a 91/30 can run for 100$ at LEAST now, and m44s are topping out at around 150$
Basically :dogout: you're spreading misinformation and stupid conspiracies itt, milsurp is only going to get more expensive as time goes on; anyone that is remotely interested in milsurp should at LEAST buy a RC K98, K31, and an Enfield (if you can find one for a cheap enough price) before they shoot up. Back in January or so, aimsurplus has a batch of Enfields for 150 dollars. Now, I can't find any GOOD ones for sub-$300. I only wish I had gotten into guns back when Nagants were $50 and K31s were $100.[/QUOTE]
Eh, you can still get 91/30s for $80 at JGSales and a few other places. Haven't seen an M44 for sale in a while though.
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[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048721]In the case of the Russians, they rearsenaled EVERYTHING, so what's it matter? (I know it's more collectible if it hasn't been refinished but I'm just saying)[/QUOTE]
Guns with the original Chrome bolt are just rarer, that's all.
To further make my point about the appreciation of milsurp prices, compare these links to arguably one of the best sources for surplus on the internet:
2000: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20001212171900/http://aimsurplus.com/[/url]
2001: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20010608104829/aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AIM_C_R_Rifles_6.html[/url] (the price of that Mas makes me cringe)
2002: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20020122184149/http://aimsurplus.com/[/url]
2003: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030801072847/www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html[/url]
2004-2006 had no working links,
2007: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20070710161243/www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html[/url]
No links for 2008 or early 2009.
But look at what they have in stock now:
[url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html[/url]
Some M1 carbines and a K11.
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[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16048723]Eh, you can still get 91/30s for $80 at JGSales and a few other places. Haven't seen an M44 for sale in a while though.
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Guns with the original Chrome bolt are just rarer, that's all.[/QUOTE]
Look at what they have in stock at JG though, notice the K31 prices.
JG might have Nagants left, but they are one of the last companies that does. They say imports of Nagants are dramatically slowing down. Regardless, the prices have absolutely appreciated and will continue to do so over time. If I wanted more milsurp while it was cheap, a Mosin would be at the bottom of my list, and a Swedish Mauser would be at the top.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048928]To further make my point about the appreciation of milsurp prices, compare these links to arguably one of the best sources for surplus on the internet:
2000: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20001212171900/http://aimsurplus.com/[/url]
2001: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20010608104829/aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AIM_C_R_Rifles_6.html[/url] (the price of that Mas makes me cringe)
2002: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20020122184149/http://aimsurplus.com/[/url]
2003: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20030801072847/www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Rifles.html[/url]
2004-2006 had no working links,
2007: [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20070710161243/www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html[/url]
No links for 2008 or early 2009.
But look at what they have in stock now:
[url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html[/url]
Some M1 carbines and a K11.
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Look at what they have in stock at JG though, notice the K31 prices.
JG might have Nagants left, but they are one of the last companies that does. They say imports of Nagants are dramatically slowing down. Regardless, the prices have absolutely appreciated and will continue to do so over time. If I wanted more milsurp while it was cheap, a Mosin would be at the bottom of my list, and a Swedish Mauser would be at the top.[/QUOTE]
I want to get one of those K11s but I'm broke, spent all my money on two Coharie Arms MP5-40 parts kits to build into semi auto guns.
That's funny, the M95s have gone down in price.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16048513]
you're wrong as fuck a 91/30 can run for 100$ at LEAST now, and m44s are topping out at around 150$
Basically :dogout: you're spreading misinformation and stupid conspiracies itt, milsurp is only going to get more expensive as time goes on; anyone that is remotely interested in milsurp should at LEAST buy a RC K98, K31, and an Enfield (if you can find one for a cheap enough price) before they shoot up. Back in January or so, aimsurplus has a batch of Enfields for 150 dollars. Now, I can't find any GOOD ones for sub-$300. I only wish I had gotten into guns back when Nagants were $50 and K31s were $100.
[/QUOTE]
They may go up.
But no where near as much as anything that ends up with the title of pre-ban.
I lived through the AWB, I saw the prices, I know.
With as crazy as everyone is now, if another ever pops up, an AK will run well over $3k. Hell that five seven I got back in november for $900 and they're now showing up in gunshops (if you can find one) for over $1200 before tax.
Back during the assault weapons ban, SKSs ran around $200-$250, now they run around $250-300, that's just inflation, that's not them actually going up in value. I got my saiga back in 2004 for $219 out the door and now they're around $800 for an unconverted one, $1200 for a converted one.
You tell me which is going up more in value, milsurp or practical weapons. You can bullshit all you want, but I'm watching the value of my stuff skyrocket out of control. Hell, I don't even need an assault weapons ban for my stuff to more than triple in value...
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16049386]They may go up.
But no where near as much as anything that ends up with the title of pre-ban.
I lived through the AWB, I saw the prices, I know.
With as crazy as everyone is now, if another ever pops up, an AK will run well over $3k. Hell that five seven I got back in november for $900 and they're now showing up in gunshops (if you can find one) for over $1200 before tax.
Back during the assault weapons ban, SKSs ran around $200-$250, now they run around $250-300, that's just inflation, that's not them actually going up in value. I got my saiga back in 2004 for $219 out the door and now they're around $800 for an unconverted one, $1200 for a converted one.
You tell me which is going up more in value, milsurp or practical weapons. You can bullshit all you want, but I'm watching the value of my stuff skyrocket out of control. Hell, I don't even need an assault weapons ban for my stuff to more than triple in value...[/QUOTE]
That's just price gouging, it'll go away eventually, however surplus guns will never go down in price, unless more come into the country of course, which probably isn't going to happen.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16049470]That's just price gouging, it'll go away eventually, however surplus guns will never go down in price, unless more come into the country of course, which probably isn't going to happen.[/QUOTE]
Significant ones, and matching numbers ones, yes. (But of course, they're already expensive)
The shit gunshops have a pile of sitting near the back of the store with discount tags, no.
And as long as people pay the price gouging prices, they won't go down. Looking at the current inventory of most stores and online, I don't see prices going down any time in the near future.
Hell, just for a stock for my ar15 I've been waiting nearly 3 months. (Which is why it still has the ugly black factory stock.)
The prices for military surplus always go up because once they clean out the last arsenal in the middle of nowhere there is no longer a bottomless supply of guns streaming into the country and the ones that already make it here start getting bought up, creating a shortage and driving the price up.
Basic economics really. The best time to buy is when they're still bringing them into the country from the arsenals.
Bean-O, what's the next article?
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(You know you want to say FN Minimi)
[QUOTE=PrismatexV0;16051014]Bean-O, what's the next article?
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(You know you want to say FN Minimi)[/QUOTE]
Sure, I'll do that next. I have been putting it off way too long.
Sweet! Also, are there any other very fieldtested anti-material rifles you can do an article on?
(High Caliber weapons :awesome: ('cept for the DIGULL))
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16018908]The 1928 has a button, the M1 has a screw or two that you have to remove.[/QUOTE]
Ah, it's just my stepdad has a BB Gun that you can detatch the Stock from with a button yet it's a stickmag ver with the drum mag barrel if that makes any sense
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BEAN-0 YOU FORGOT THE SPRINGFIeLD 03!
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Some gunwank cock on The Specialists RP said to me the Deagle's an "israli militry gun dey used it for 40 years u dushe" and that "ti's one step away from an assalaut rifle's powa"
[QUOTE=Bean-O;15809345]Maybe, but that would be in a specialized section. The biggest limiting factor is my lack of knowledge about them. I'm too much of a small arms kind of guy.
I put it in the weeaboo weaponry thread but in retrospect perhaps a bit unfairly. It is still an expensive, heavy and somewhat flimsy weapon, even if it is supremely accurate. At the same time it isn't rare. In fact there are more of them than some of the other weapons I already wrote about. I'm fence sitting about it for now.
There is also a similar situation with the chauchaut (that really horrible french LMG) because in spite of being the single worst weapon ever made it virtually created the LMG which in turn fathered the assault rifle.[/QUOTE]
Flimsy? How?
[QUOTE=ParsonNathaniel;16053543]Ah, it's just my stepdad has a BB Gun that you can detatch the Stock from with a button yet it's a stickmag ver with the drum mag barrel if that makes any sense
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BEAN-0 YOU FORGOT THE SPRINGFIeLD 03!
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Some gunwank cock on The Specialists RP said to me the Deagle's an "israli militry gun dey used it for 40 years u dushe" and that "ti's one step away from an assalaut rifle's powa"[/QUOTE]
RP. There's your problem. It's full of arrogant asswanks who can't tell tit from shoulder.
So wait.
The SVT there was in really good condition. It looked like it had polished metal, a shiny bolt, and a really nice stock. The magazine was very nice, and the texture was silky smooth.
I would really like to pick that rifle up now, but by the time I even reach $900, that thing will be outta there.
I still reckon you should do a bio on John Browing.
Maybe the AK-107/108 next. Pretty good rifle that's from the AK-100 series, only difference is it has a really nice new gas system that the other ones don't have that is basically a better version of the old BAR System from the 70s. Gives it better reliability even though it fires 300 rounds a minute faster than the other rifles in the AK-100 series.
[QUOTE=SBD;16055721]I still reckon you should do a bio on John Browing.[/QUOTE]
I agree, a few bios would be good.
John Browning, Sergei Simonov, Mikhail Kalashnikov, Bill Ruger, and David Marshall Williams come to mind immediately.
Uziel Gal and Eugene Stoner as well.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16049470]That's just price gouging, it'll go away eventually, however surplus guns will never go down in price, unless more come into the country of course, which probably isn't going to happen.[/QUOTE]
There really isn't very much milsurp beyond the 1950's that can be imported intact, because most of it is assault-type weapons which need to have their barrels/receivers cut. There are exceptions like the SKS, of course.
I hear that Russia has warehouses of RC lugers that can't be imported... (yes I know there are RC lugers here in the states I'm just saying)
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