Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=ParsonNathaniel;16053543]Ah, it's just my stepdad has a BB Gun that you can detatch the Stock from with a button yet it's a stickmag ver with the drum mag barrel if that makes any sense [editline]11:37AM[/editline] BEAN-0 YOU FORGOT THE SPRINGFIeLD 03! [editline]11:39AM[/editline] Some gunwank cock on The Specialists RP said to me the Deagle's an "israli militry gun dey used it for 40 years u dushe" and that "ti's one step away from an assalaut rifle's powa"[/QUOTE] [quote= Some guy I know's Nettby profile] the fact that you got REPLICA written down the side of your gun, and the fact that I got DESERT EAGLE .50 written down the side of mine should precipitate your balls into shrinking. "Now Fuck Off". [/quote] I just copy pasted Bean-O's Weeaboo article as a reply and he hasn't answered since :buddy: I love to make people look stupid when they're trying to act cool

Just a question, what is the general opinion on Sig Sauer firearms?

[QUOTE=40kplayer;16058577]Just a question, what is the general opinion on Sig Sauer firearms?[/QUOTE] Excellent but expensive.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;16055294]So wait. The SVT there was in really good condition. It looked like it had polished metal, a shiny bolt, and a really nice stock. The magazine was very nice, and the texture was silky smooth. I would really like to pick that rifle up now, but by the time I even reach $900, that thing will be outta there.[/QUOTE] $900 sounds like a good price then, but you can probably get one for cheaper.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16059805]Excellent but expensive.[/QUOTE] I found one in one of the gun stores in my area. It was something like $1,566. Also have you done the F2000? I don't think I saw it earlier or in the weaboo weaponry thread either.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;16061956]I found one in one of the gun stores in my area. It was something like $1,566. Also have you done the F2000? I don't think I saw it earlier or in the weaboo weaponry thread either.[/QUOTE] I seem to recall it being in the Weeaboo Weaponry thread. [editline]06:15PM[/editline] [quote=Bean-O]I think that one might be too early to tell. Much like the MP7 it hadn't become widespread yet because it's pretty new. [/quote] Regarding the F2000.

What about this firearm? [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Ruger-1022.jpg/800px-Ruger-1022.jpg[/img] Ruger 10/22

[QUOTE=STREWTH_99;16063143]What about this firearm? [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Ruger-1022.jpg/800px-Ruger-1022.jpg[/img] Ruger 10/22[/QUOTE] Check the front page.

Speaking about rimfire rugers, their pistols are fantastic, especially when you swap out the upper for a Tactical Solutions upper, drastic change in weight. And on top of that, they come threaded.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16063219]Check the front page.[/QUOTE] Fffff. forgot to check.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;15970090]There isn't a saiga-10.[/QUOTE] Ugh, why the hell did I say Saiga-10? Anyway, I meant Saiga-20. Wasn't thinking straight that day..

70)FN Minimi [img]http://world.guns.ru/machine/m249saw.jpg[/img] When intermediate calibers were first introduced they weren't exactly seen as ideal machine gun ammunition. Rather, due to the limited power and range support weapons chambered in the likes of 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm were dubbed LMGs. Even then, they were largely considered ill-suited for serious combat. If there is one gun that changed that view, it was the Minimi. Meaning "mini-machinegun", the Minimi was developed by FN in Belgium in the mid 1970's. The idea was to try and make the lightest belt-fed support weapon one can make. The natural conclusion was to use a lightweight intermediate caliber such as the 5.56x45mm, rather than the 7.62x51mm which sees much more use for this purpose. The Minimi itself borrows a lot from FN's MAG and, some argue is essentially a much smaller version of one, although a 7.62x51mm version was made. This was done to fill a US government contract in the 1970's for a new machine gun in 5.56 to compliment the M-16 series of rifles already in service. This program, seeking to develop a S.A.W. (Squad Automatic Weapon) saw little funding at first since high-ranking brass were reluctant to fund such an endeavor, thinking that such a weapon would be inaccurate and underpowered. Rather than using a cloth to link lengths of bullets together the Minimi uses a disintegrating belt borrowed from an M60 and scaled down for the smaller ammunition. This means that after you fire off a bunch of bullets you won't be dragging a piece of cloth behind you which can get snagged on something. Normally not much of a problem since machine guns don't get moved around that much, but since the Minimi weighs in at about 15 pounds it is much more nimble and therefore the expectation was that it would be moved from one firing position to the next rather quickly. You won't have a long belt of bullets dangling around either. While the most common length of ammunition is about 200 rounds there is a polymer or cloth pouch that attaches to the bottom of the gun which can hold 200 linked bullets. If all that doesn't float your boat, you can simply insert STANAG magazines. Another neat feature is that the gas system can be regulated between about 750 to 1000 rpm. Under normal conditions it's meant to be used at 750, but if the gas system is gunked up or the gun is being used in adverse environmental conditions the added rate of fire could actually prevent further fouling and jamming. So we have a light gun with a neat feed tray that takes either disintegrating belts or STANAG magazines and it comes in 5.56 so the rest of the squad can easily swap ammo with their machine gunner. Not surprisingly the biggest and perhaps most well-known user is the USA. It was adopted shortly after trials in 1982 as the M249. It beat out Colt's M16 HBAR and H&K's MK21 for this contract. Soon FN was mass-producing them to fill the order. In 1984 FN opened a plant within the US to mass produce this variant closer to the customer. The M249 differs from the original Minimi most notably with a heat shield above the barrel. It costs roughly 4,000$ per gun. Soldiers who have used it report that it is highly reliable and accurate, with an accurate range of about 1,000 yards if not more (with a prolonged burst, naturally). This is one reason why Counter-Strike is not to be trusted. The M249 is actually a very accurate and controllable weapon. Recent reports have indicated a large number of malfunctions of M249 machine guns in Iraq. But this is not due to any design flaw or improper maintenance. The guns currently in service have seen roughly 10 years of continuous service from the Gulf War to Just Cause, Mogadishu to Kosovo and Afghanistan/Iraq. It has proved itself an effective weapon in the hands of Americans, even if it wasn't meant to serve indefinitely. But Americans aren't the only ones to use them. Belgium still uses it as does France, the UK, Poland, Latvia, Indonesia, Chile, Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil and just about everyone else who can afford it. Countries such as Italy, Greece, Australia, Taiwan, Japan and Canada use locally produced copies. China also makes copies, but only for export sales. All of these countries and dozens more use them in vast numbers to compliment 5.56 caliber assault rifles in service. Naturally with all of these eager customers, there are a whole lot of variants out there. We have the original version, one in 7.62 NATO, the M249, solid stocks, folding skeleton stocks, some variants don't take STANAG magazines, others have different rails and sights. But overall the machine gun that all of these countries use is essentially the same. However, people still call it an LMG. So what has it changed? The Minimi has changed the perception of intermediate caliber belt-fed machine guns in general. They are no longer seen as less useful than their 7.62 caliber counterparts because they are lighter, nimbler and handier when part of a squad that uses assault rifles of the same caliber. There are newer designs. Isreal replaced their M249s with their own 5.56 SAW called the Negev. South Africa makes the Mini SS, a 5.56 variant of the SS-77. The success of the Minimi is also the reason why a number of countries make LMG variants of their assault rifles. Britain did it with the SA-80 (called the LSW) and Germany made the MG-36, an LMG variant of the G-36 assault rifle while Austria made it so that in 60 seconds any AUG could be converted to HBAR configuration. Simply put, 5.56 support weapons wouldn't be where they are if not for the Minimi's success.

Nice article! [editline]10:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bean-O;16065889]Soldiers who have used it report that it is highly reliable and accurate, with an accurate range of about 1,000 yards if not more (with a prolonged burst, naturally).[highlight] This is one reason why Counter-Strike is not to be trusted[/highlight]. The M249 is actually a very accurate and controllable weapon. Recent reports have indicated a large number of malfunctions of M249 machine guns in Iraq.[/QUOTE] Only morons trust Counter-Strike for weapon info. The anti-realism of the whole thing infuriates me sometimes. The fact that it's possible to pop somebody twice in the head with a MAC-10 and have them walk away makes my blood boil. Yet, the USP .45 is a one-shot kill to the head.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16059805]Excellent but expensive.[/QUOTE] Not really... I don't consider $800 for a handgun bad at all. People are just delusional about handgun prices since shitty glocks have become popular. You get what you pay for. [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/sig/sig_226_2tone.jpg[/img] SIG P226 357 Two Tone, Alloy Frame, SS Slide, Contrast Sights Price: $799.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/798681306763.html[/url] FN Five-seveN USG, 3 20rd Mags Price: $1,049.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513002509.html[/url] Kimber Tactical Custom ll Price: $1,019.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/669278321370.html[/url] HK USP 40SW, 13rd Mags Price: $788.99 [url]http://www.impactguns.com/store/M704001.html[/url] See, once you get away from garbage, things start costing real money. A glock costs what a red dot sight costs. You can also go used with any of these and get a fine handgun. A used P226 will run $400-500, and there's other models that go even lower.

Do the Nagant revolver, do it do it.

Is the LMG version of the SA80 any good? My guess is no, but I might be surprised. I guess in part it depends on whether it's based on the L85A1 or the L85A2.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16067227]Not really... I don't consider $800 for a handgun bad at all. People are just delusional about handgun prices since [B]shitty[/B] glocks have become popular. :words:[/QUOTE] No.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16067252]Do the Nagant revolver, do it do it.[/QUOTE] This.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16067429]Is the LMG version of the SA80 any good? My guess is no, but I might be surprised. I guess in part it depends on whether it's based on the L85A1 or the L85A2.[/QUOTE] In a nutshell, no variant of that rifle is any good. It's really just a overweight, overpriced, mediocre rifle when compared with what the Brits could have, the M16A4 or G36 for a lower price than it took to have that rifle improved.

Dude, the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 has to be done. It's simple pull back push forward bolt is something worth talking about!

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16067227]Not really... I don't consider $800 for a handgun bad at all. People are just delusional about handgun prices since shitty glocks have become popular.[/QUOTE] Oooh Sigs are awesome. $800+ and they come with 1 magazine and they're going through some QC issues right now. Sigs are expensive cause they're status symbols and not cause they're the end all of pistols. Also there's no handguns below the price of $800 that are worth a shit are there. I'm so glad we've got you around here to tell us what's good and what's shit when it comes to guns.

Springfield Armory makes a nice sturdy .45 1911 for about $850. I like them, anyway, they've been around since like the 1700's. Unfortunately, they're sort of a challenge to find for sale.

[QUOTE=nukehummer;16070303]Springfield Armory makes a nice sturdy .45 1911 for about $850. I like them, anyway, they've been around since like the 1700's.[/QUOTE] Not the same Springfield Armory. For around the same price I'd get a Dan Wesson PM7. That's what I'm getting when I go for a 1911.

[QUOTE=Linelor;16067708]In a nutshell, no variant of that rifle is any good. It's really just a overweight, overpriced, mediocre rifle when compared with what the Brits could have, the M16A4 or G36 for a lower price than it took to have that rifle improved.[/QUOTE] And yet they seem perfectly happy with it, after the Heckler and Koch redesign. Also, to answer the original question- the lmg version, called the L86, wasn't very successful as its intended role. However its bipod and free-float barrel (meaning the barrel doesn't touch anything apart from the receiver) mean it's very accurate, and has sort of become a designated marksman rifle.

[QUOTE=JoshuaC;16070338]Not the same Springfield Armory. For around the same price I'd get a Dan Wesson PM7. That's what I'm getting when I go for a 1911.[/QUOTE] Damn, the pamphlet with the cannons on the front saying "since 17--" lied to me.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16069096]Dude, the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 has to be done. It's simple pull back push forward bolt is something worth talking about![/QUOTE] Well it wasn't the first to have a straight pull bolt action, but I do agree, it does deserve a mention along with the K31 and the Nagant revolver.

Random gun-related question: If, in the future, I wanted to start shooting, would a Ruger 10/22 be a good beginners' choice? I know that .22LR is cheap as dirt and I've heard that it's good for beginners.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV3;16070624]Random gun-related question: If, in the future, I wanted to start shooting, would a Ruger 10/22 be a good beginners' choice? I know that .22LR is cheap as dirt and I've heard that it's good for beginners.[/QUOTE] It's probably the best beginner gun out there really.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV3;16070624]Random gun-related question: If, in the future, I wanted to start shooting, would a Ruger 10/22 be a good beginners' choice? I know that .22LR is cheap as dirt and I've heard that it's good for beginners.[/QUOTE] It's the perfect beginners gun [editline]08:27AM[/editline] I'd also recommend one of these for it: [url]http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=2&idproduct=1060[/url] or [url]http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=2&idproduct=1059[/url]

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16067429]Is the LMG version of the SA80 any good? My guess is no, but I might be surprised. I guess in part it depends on whether it's based on the L85A1 or the L85A2.[/QUOTE] Not in its original role. It was effective but it kept jamming like the A1 version of the rifle. The Rifles now in its fully working and efficient A2 version which does work. By then the Minimi was modified and adopted into British service, so the LSW was adopted into another role, where it excels. It was discovered that the L86LSW was a extremely powerful, long ranged and accurate sniper weapon. And is now used by some snipers, and many designated marksmen for that purpose. Don't believe the many L85 haters on here :( The A1 quite rightly deserves all the bad press and stigma. The A2 on the other hand does not.