Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=ksenior;16132178] They use to have the death penalty for attempted suicide :downs:[/QUOTE] wat.

[QUOTE=ksenior;16132178]They'll just go find some other way to kill themselves, such as jump of a bridge or OD on painkillers[/QUOTE] Jumping off a bridge - there's always a chance for an onlooker to try to call you down. ODing on painkillers? If you have second thoughts, you can haul ass to the hospital or call 911. Shooting yourself? Bad move. My cousin bought a .45 one morning, went out to a field that afternoon, and killed himself. His parents were considering calling someone to help him with what they thought were mental issues - if he had had to wait 5 days before getting that gun, they would have had a chance to get him help.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16131740]"Because it's rediculous"? By what standards? What about people who have clean criminal backgrounds but want a gun because they're suicidial?[/QUOTE] Well to get a gun licence you need a criminal backround check anyway.. And there really is no need for a month of waiting, when that rifle/pistol could be already sold...

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132219]Jumping off a bridge - there's always a chance for an onlooker to try to call you down. ODing on painkillers? If you have second thoughts, you can haul ass to the hospital or call 911. Shooting yourself? Bad move. My cousin bought a .45 one morning, went out to a field that afternoon, and killed himself. His parents were considering calling someone to help him with what they thought were mental issues - if he had had to wait 5 days before getting that gun, they would have had a chance to get him help.[/QUOTE] Not the government's problem. They aren't here to hold your hand. That sounds harsh, but it really is the intended function of the government. Plus waiting periods can usually be circumvented via person to person sales.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132219]Jumping off a bridge - there's always a chance for an onlooker to try to call you down. ODing on painkillers? If you have second thoughts, you can haul ass to the hospital or call 911. Shooting yourself? Bad move. My cousin bought a .45 one morning, went out to a field that afternoon, and killed himself. His parents were considering calling someone to help him with what they thought were mental issues - if he had had to wait 5 days before getting that gun, they would have had a chance to get him help.[/QUOTE] Isn't waiting 6 months for your licences a long enough waiting period?

[QUOTE=GunFox;16132332] Plus waiting periods can usually be circumvented via person to person sales.[/QUOTE] You still need the PTA regardless.

Also it's 000 in Australia only America uses 911 [editline]03:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=-Jesus-;16132371]You still need the PTA regardless.[/QUOTE] In Australia

Would a 5-day waiting period be acceptable to you guys?

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132384]Would a 5-day waiting period be acceptable to you guys?[/QUOTE] In Australia no. we already waited 6 months for our licence

5-day for what? Sorry, I came in the thread late

Would gun owners/buyers mind a mandatory 5-day waiting period? There is evidence that it would save lives, and states with waiting periods have experienced fewer gun-related suicides.

[QUOTE=ksenior;16132390]In Australia no. we already waited 6 months for our licence[/QUOTE] In some cases longer. Me and my Dad had to wait like, 7-8 months for ours to clear, and then we had to find a firearm, and then get the PTA... all up, about a year

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132408]Would gun owners/buyers mind a mandatory 5-day waiting period? There is evidence that it would save lives, and states with waiting periods have experienced fewer gun-related suicides.[/QUOTE] There is also evidence that it puts innocent lives in danger. Some folks buy a gun for protection from an immediate threat.

Then they should be calling the cops.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132710]Then they should be calling the cops.[/QUOTE] And by the time the cops get there your dead.

He said people were buying guns because of imminent danger. Why are you buying a gun instead of calling the cops?

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132762]He said people were buying guns because of imminent danger. Why are you buying a gun instead of calling the cops?[/QUOTE] Because they want to have something to defend them? :confused:

GunFox said that waiting periods of 5 days were a bad idea because people would be buying guns due to, and I quote, "imminent danger." I don't know what kind of time period "imminent danger" is. If I knew that somebody (ex-husband?) was stalking me, I'd call the cops. I wouldn't want to take it into my own hands. I'm not saying for people not to carry guns for personal defense, but I can't imagine a 5-day waiting period hurting anyone.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132762]He said people were buying guns because of imminent danger. Why are you buying a gun instead of calling the cops?[/QUOTE] If you live next to a gun store.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132835]GunFox said that waiting periods of 5 days were a bad idea because people would be buying guns due to, and I quote, "imminent danger." I don't know what kind of time period "imminent danger" is. If I knew that somebody (ex-husband?) was stalking me, I'd call the cops. I wouldn't want to take it into my own hands. I'm not saying for people not to carry guns for personal defense, but I can't imagine a 5-day waiting period hurting anyone.[/QUOTE] I can. I can imagine a 5 day waiting period hurting you, because Johnny Criminal can go down to the local shady spot and pick up a new Glock 17 for dirt cheap, while you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs waiting for five days to be up. Cops? Mediocre at best, and slow.

[url]http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/21/1609[/url] [url]http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/17E739FD29A3A15D862575D7000CDE5B?OpenDocument[/url] [url]http://www.guncite.com/JAMABradysurvey.pdf[/url] [editline]02:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=massn7;16132876]I can. I can imagine a 5 day waiting period hurting you, because Johnny Criminal can go down to the local shady spot and pick up a new Glock 17 for dirt cheap, while you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs waiting for five days to be up. Cops? Mediocre at best, and slow.[/QUOTE] You're assuming that you and Johnny OG both are starting at the same point. Regardless of when you buy your gun, there are dozens of Johnny OGs with Glocks. The 5 days won't make a difference.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132835]GunFox said that waiting periods of 5 days were a bad idea because people would be buying guns due to, and I quote, "imminent danger." I don't know what kind of time period "imminent danger" is. If I knew that somebody (ex-husband?) was stalking me, I'd call the cops. I wouldn't want to take it into my own hands. I'm not saying for people not to carry guns for personal defense, but I can't imagine a 5-day waiting period hurting anyone.[/QUOTE] The police cannot put a protective detail on you 24/7. Police RESPOND to calls. They rarely are able to prevent action.

If you say that your ex, for example, has been making threats against you, they'd have to do something.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132881][url]http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/21/1609[/url] [url]http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/17E739FD29A3A15D862575D7000CDE5B?OpenDocument[/url] [editline]02:38AM[/editline] You're assuming that you and Johnny OG both are starting at the same point. Regardless of when you buy your gun, there are dozens of Johnny OGs with Glocks. The 5 days won't make a difference.[/QUOTE] [quote] This article requires a subscription. [/quote] Also, the Johnny OG after you might just kill you in the 5 day waiting period. And I doubt the cops will come in time.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132927]If you say that your ex, for example, has been making threats against you, they'd have to do something.[/QUOTE] Yeah and what are they gonna do with verbal threats? That is enough for a restraining order, but they can't arrest anyone on that.

You're missing my point. My main point was that a 5-day waiting period can cut down on suicides, which are more prevalent than rage killings like the type you're describing. Read those links above.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132976]You're missing my point. My main point was that a 5-day waiting period can cut down on suicides, which are more prevalent than rage killings like the type you're describing. Read those links above.[/QUOTE] One requires a subscription. The other one is a run of the mill suicide. You are missing my point: This isn't the government's job. They aren't here to hold your hand.

The first one didn't require a subscription for me. The third one, another thing from another medical journal, didn't need a subscription either. And who said it wasn't the government's job to pass laws to protect its citizens?

How come most people in europe and canada manage themselves without a gun in every home?

Because they're socialist pinko commies. :rolleye: