Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

Nagant revolver, or a Mauser 1871 article would be nice.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16149494]Nagant revolver, or a Mauser 1871 article would be nice.[/QUOTE] I'll go with the Nagant Revolver

Yay.

Looking forward to it.

71)M1895 Nagant Revolver [img]http://world.guns.ru/handguns/NAGANT.JPG[/img] Near the turn of the century the Nagant brothers of Belgium were already well-known within Russia for their part in the design of the world-famous Mosin Nagant bolt-action rifle. When Emile & Léon designed and submitted a design for a revolver it was rather swiftly adopted as the standard sidearm of most of Russia's armed forces. This decision may have been a bit hasty. While the Nagant revolver had much technical innovation many argue that it was obsolete the moment it was adopted. On the surface it is actually quite interesting. It held seven shots of 7.62x38mmR ammunition. This ammunition had a very unconventional design where the bullet was inside the casing, rather than protruding from the front of it. This was done to compliment a gas seal system that worked by pressing the cyclinder against the barrel when the hammer is cocked or simply pulled back far enough (since some were double-action). When the cylinder is moved forward the front of the case expands, further sealing up the gap. This process was meant to stop gas from escaping from the gap. This in turn increased the power... Marginally. Here you have a revolver that has this complex sealing system in order to increase the power by about 50-150 FPS, which is marginal at best. There is one added benefit however. It allows the revolver to be silenced. But the fact remains that most of the 2 million Nagant revolvers made were never silenced, so there is no real advantage for all this added trouble. Another problem was the .30 caliber ammunition which was a bit underpowered. It has a pretty good muzzle velocity, but not that much mass. So it lacks the punch of many other handguns. It was done so that the same machines that made rifle barrels could be used to make handgun barrels. Thus easing the strain on what little industry Russia had at the time. This would have been fine if not for another problem. The Nagant is a gate-loaded revolver. Once you fired off 7 shots you had to reload one by one. This is less of an issue with the SAA since it at least packs a fierce punch to make up for it. So it's a gun that, while accurate, controllable and easy to silence is ultimately the unhappy result of politics and favors rather than it being the best choice available. But nevertheless it has a service history that would make almost any firearm proud. In all about 2 million were made. Mostly by Russia which adopted them before the turn of the century. There it saw use through WW1 and the subsequent Russian Revolution. Both the Imperial (White) and Communist (Red) armies used them to great effect. It proved itself to be nearly indestructible. An Imperial Russian officer once boasted that if anything ever went wrong with his, he could fix it with a hammer. While on the front lines the sluggish reload meant "6 for the enemy and 1 for yourself", in peacetime it became a somewhat dreaded implement of terror. The Bolshevik Secret Police (AKA the Cheka) often carried them and used them to do their bidding. Silenced variants saw much use. In fact numerous such revolvers turned up in the hands of Vietcong agents, usually assassins during the Vietnam war. But there is a role for which it was somewhat more suited. From the beginning it found favor as a police weapon. Variants with cut-down barrels were popular as concealed weapons for plainclothes officers. Which is on top of the previously-mentioned efforts of the Cheka, NKVD and KGB to utilize this weapon's capability of being silenced. But Russia wasn't the only country to use it. The Nagant revolver somehow found service, at one time or another and in some quantities with countries such as Sweden, Poland, Spain, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Greece and its native Belgium. In fact some turned up as far as countries such as Argentina and Vietnam. Little surprise considering just how many were made. But what of the Nagant revolver after WW1? What about today? While it became obsolete with the adoption of the TT-33 in the 1930's it remained in production until the 1950's. Seeing much use in conflicts such as WW2. Interestingly some are still carried by police officers in Russia, usually in more rural areas or in less important roles. It is not uncommon for the gun to be many times older than the user. But the real rebirth is in the hands of civilians. The soviet state would often present such a gun to various high-ranking officials. Numerous revolvers were also built off the Nagant platform for civilian pistol shooters, sometimes in .22LR and that was still under communism. This coupled with a vast number of handguns released from soviet arsenals to American markets makes it a prolific weapon in the US. If only it could find more customers. While they present an interesting conversation piece the long-obsolete 7.62 ammunition is simply not available at any affordable price nor in reasonable quantity. The revolver can, however chamber .32S&W long as well as .32 H&R Magnum. Neither are particularly common, but easier to come by than a handgun round which is older than most countries. Original single and double-action Nagants are available for about 100$ while the competition models tend to cost more and be more practical for someone planning to actually shoot them. Personally I'd buy one just so I can mount it in a display case and feel like a high-ranking communist party member.

Nice article!

Mugofdoom; Yes, I do live in the U.S., and have now made it apparent that I don't know much about gun law :buddy: Also, someday I'd like to fire some famous or popular weapons e.g. The AK-47, M16A1, etc. Does anyone know of good places to fire these at a range?

I think that a lot of ranges sponsor special days every once in a blue moon to fire fully-automatic weapons.

i wish my range did lol

Oh, that's neat, though I wouldn't mind firing one locked to single shot or with a limited magazine.

[QUOTE=thirty9th;16150203]Mugofdoom; Yes, I do live in the U.S., and have now made it apparent that I don't know much about gun law :buddy: Also, someday I'd like to fire some famous or popular weapons e.g. The AK-47, M16A1, etc. Does anyone know of good places to fire these at a range?[/QUOTE] If you want an AK, just buy one, not a real good beginner's weapon but eh, you can still get em for like $400-$500.

Cheaper than I expected, though I imagine ammunition is quite a bit steeper.

120 dollars for 1120 bullets is pretty cheap homie

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16150374]If you want an AK, just buy one, not a real good beginner's weapon but eh, you can still get em for like $400-$500.[/QUOTE] Well they're good in the respect you'll have it for the rest of your life and you won't really be able to fuck it up too easily. Also, very very easy to work on, even doing a complete take down.

and they're fun to shoot? [editline]03:43AM[/editline] who the fuck cares about how easy they are to take apart

[QUOTE=DualReaver;16150684] who the fuck cares about how easy they are to take apart[/QUOTE] I'm just sitting here shaking my head after reading this comment... Is anyone else?

[QUOTE=DualReaver;16150684]and they're fun to shoot? [editline]03:43AM[/editline] who the fuck cares about how easy they are to take apart[/QUOTE] If you're going to own a gun you're going to have to clean and maintain it. Which involves taking it apart and putting it back together.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16150852]If you're going to own a gun you're going to have to clean and maintain it. Which involves taking it apart and putting it back together.[/QUOTE] it's not like you're in the middle of war, yo [editline]04:07AM[/editline] Being easy to take apart and clean is great if you're in a warzone, but if you're shooting recreationally, it seems like a silly reason to buy a gun.

I still wanna see the deagle.

[QUOTE=aidinigan;16150952]I still wanna see the deagle.[/QUOTE] no. [editline]03:11AM[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=12853855&postcount=1[/url]

[QUOTE=DualReaver;16150909]it's not like you're in the middle of war, yo [editline]04:07AM[/editline] Being easy to take apart and clean is great if you're in a warzone, but if you're shooting recreationally, it seems like a silly reason to buy a gun.[/QUOTE] Ugh... If you're going to be shooting any gun you have to clean it otherwise the bore will be gunked up with gunpowder residue. Once that happens you will start to erode the rifling of the barrel, taxing the weapons accuracy. Eventually the barrel will become pitted and every time you send a bullet down the barrel you risk further damage to the weapon, including but not limited to structural failure AKA an explosion that blows a part of the gun apart and lodges jagged chunks of metal in your hands. In short you either clean your gun regularly or it will work like shit and you will hate it as well as running the risk of seriously injuring yourself. [QUOTE=Prismatex;16150985]no. [editline]03:11AM[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=12853855&postcount=1[/url][/QUOTE] If he wants to buy it they aren't that bad for civilians. You can actually swap them between calibers which is kind of nifty. They're just expensive and require more cleaning. In short, he's way better off with a revolver.

To me, "I still wanna see the Deagle" implies that he wants an article in this series about it.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16151144]"I still wanna see the Deagle" implies that he wants an article in this series about it.[/QUOTE] Oh, I must have misread it. No chance of seeing it in this thread.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16147727]I heard Rugers aren't as good as Browning Buckmarks but then again my .22 pistol is a hi-standard so[/QUOTE] Aside from a few duds (cheap ass Remington ammo), I've never had an issue with my 22/45. They're both great plinkers, I've heard countless reports, and have my own experience with their reliability, so the only advantages one may have over the other is price, and personal preference. I personally prefer the look of a stock Buckmark to a Ruger MK whatever, but with a swapped out upper, i think a 22/45 is probably the best looking .22lr pistol available. [editline]08:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=aidinigan;16150952]I still wanna see the deagle.[/QUOTE] The Desert Eagle is an interesting firearm, a great conversation piece, and overall a trophy gun, and nothing more. It hasn't been adopted by any militaries (with good reason) so it has no proven combat efficiency. It most certainly isn't a C&C gun, due to it's massive size and weight, and 7 round mag (when chambered in .50 AE and .440 Cor-Bon. Why the hell would you buy a Desert Eagle if not for the .50 AE cartridge?). So aside from being a fun range toy, it's far from being a "Fantastic Firearm". Also it's stupid expensive so DrMortician must have like 8 because this means it's probably one of the best guns you can own

[QUOTE=Prismatex;16147871]This is why we need to outlaw Halo and make children learn to read and spell.[/QUOTE] More like outlaw the internet to everyone under the age of 15 or so

[QUOTE=antonio1442;16147845]how bout the walther g22 (lol) theres one at my local range, and ive been wanting to shoot it for ages now, its only a .22 caliber ( the bullets are nice and cheap), my dad was telling me he dosnt like the design,but with a scope it looks like the halo br lol [URL=http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/#cfc2cf68e27a5ded4a0ff60459fef30b.jpg][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/cfc2cf68e27a5ded4a0ff60459fef30b.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE] dear god this gun is ugly And the award for most unnecessary application of the bulpup design does to...

[QUOTE=markg06;16151510]More like outlaw the internet to everyone under the age of 15 or so[/QUOTE] This. Except every online gaming service would lose 1/2 of its members.

[QUOTE=antonio1442;16147845]but with a scope it looks like the halo br lol[/QUOTE] /facepalm I hate how anyone who plays halo sees a gun similar to one in the game and shouts 'LOL HALO WEPON'.

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