[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16154408]Too new to have seen significant use.
Hey Bean-O, you should consider writing an article on the Remington 700/M24/M40.[/QUOTE]
It's a decent idea though. Better safety for officers and such.
I would also like to see something on the M24/M40.
He did the Remington 700 already.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16151100]Ugh...
If you're going to be shooting any gun you have to clean it otherwise the bore will be gunked up with gunpowder residue. Once that happens you will start to erode the rifling of the barrel, taxing the weapons accuracy. Eventually the barrel will become pitted and every time you send a bullet down the barrel you risk further damage to the weapon, including but not limited to structural failure AKA an explosion that blows a part of the gun apart and lodges jagged chunks of metal in your hands.
In short you either clean your gun regularly or it will work like shit and you will hate it as well as running the risk of seriously injuring yourself.
If he wants to buy it they aren't that bad for civilians. You can actually swap them between calibers which is kind of nifty. They're just expensive and require more cleaning. In short, he's way better off with a revolver.[/QUOTE]
uggggggghhhhhhhhh......... That's not what I meant. I know he has to clean it. He has all the time in the world afterwords to take his gun apart and clean it. Does it really matter how hard it is to take apart and clean when you can take it home and spend as much time as you want on cleaning it? ughhhhhhhhhh..........................................
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16156045]uggggggghhhhhhhhh......... That's not what I meant. I know he has to clean it. He has all the time in the world afterwords to take his gun apart and clean it. Does it really matter how hard it is to take apart and clean when you can take it home and spend as much time as you want on cleaning it? ughhhhhhhhhh..........................................[/QUOTE]
I for one am a lazy fuck. I would much rather it be nice and easy personally.
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16156045]uggggggghhhhhhhhh......... That's not what I meant. I know he has to clean it. He has all the time in the world afterwords to take his gun apart and clean it. Does it really matter how hard it is to take apart and clean when you can take it home and spend as much time as you want on cleaning it? ughhhhhhhhhh..........................................[/QUOTE]
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................................................................................
He's right, if you can't figure out how to clean it well or it takes you [b]3 hours just to take it apart[/b] it probably isn't a good gun for you.
Basically go for a revolver, I have my doubts that you're old enough to even buy a gun.
Actually, most of FP is probably too young to buy a gun
If you can't figure out how to take a gun apart for cleaning, then you are probably too stupid to own a gun.
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16157385]If you can't figure out how to take a gun apart for cleaning, then you are probably too stupid to own a gun.[/QUOTE]
Oh you can figure it our alright, it might take you a while.
And i'm talking about [b]YOU[/b]
I am far too young to own a gun, that's why my guns are in my Dad's name. lol
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Well, not far, they'll be in my name this year.
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16157423]I am far too young to own a gun, that's why my guns are in my Dad's name. lol[/QUOTE]
So unless you're dad wants an AK, i doubt you'll get one until you're legally able to buy your own.
So keep oggling over pictures like i used to do
Nah, I'd just give my Dad the money, and he'd get it for me, like with my SKS, and .22.
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16157423]I am far too young to own a gun, that's why my guns are in my Dad's name. lol
[editline]02:27PM[/editline]
Well, not far, they'll be in my name this year.[/QUOTE]
You should study up on how to properly use and maintain all of them.
It isn't that much of a pain in the ass to take a gun apart and put it back together either. They aren't that complicated. At least for the most part. But it's something you're going to have to learn how to do unless you feel like paying a gunsmith to clean it for you every time you shoot it.
There's more to a gun than just shooting it.
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;16154370]Bean-O what you think of cornershot?
[img]http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/cornershot-3.jpg[/img]
Also link to wiki: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot[/url][/QUOTE]
Future weapons lol
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16157499]You should study up on how to properly use and maintain all of them.
It isn't that much of a pain in the ass to take a gun apart and put it back together either. They aren't that complicated. At least for the most part. But it's something you're going to have to learn how to do unless you feel like paying a gunsmith to clean it for you every time you shoot it.
There's more to a gun than just shooting it.[/QUOTE]
I understand cleaning them, and I do clean my guns after every time I use them. I just don't consider how hard a gun is to take apart when buying one for recreational use. If say, I was going to Iraq to do some mercenary work, then I'd worry about that. My Dad's high end .45 takes a few minutes to take apart, where as I can strip my 9mm into pieces in a few seconds, but my Dad's .45 is still the better gun for the range. lol
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It seems like a silly reason to buy a gun. For me, it's about comfort/fun/accuracy.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;16151528]This.
Except every online gaming service would lose 1/2 of its members.[/QUOTE]
It's a worthy loss.
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16157562]I understand cleaning them, and I do clean my guns after every time I use them. I just don't consider how hard a gun is to take apart when buying one for recreational use. If say, I was going to Iraq to do some mercenary work, then I'd worry about that. My Dad's high end .45 takes a few minutes to take apart, where as I can strip my 9mm into pieces in a few seconds, but my Dad's .45 is still the better gun for the range. lol
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It seems like a silly reason to buy a gun. For me, it's about comfort/fun/accuracy.[/QUOTE]
Oh that's what you meant.
Cleaning is a secondary concern but it still helps if it's easy. The biggest reason it isn't that big of an issue when buying a gun is that a difficult-to-disassemble firearm is the exception rather than the rule.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. lol
I've been wondering about purchasing a .22 LR Ruger, but, I wanna check up on my gun laws. Anyone know where I can find a database of gun laws by state?
I went to the War and Peace show today, (I have a 2 week freedom pass)
Here are the prices for some of the guns I saw.
AK47, 74, and other variants. - £130 to £200
SKS, with folding bayonet. - £350
SVT - £450
Mosin Nagant, with folding bayonet, dated 1944, it was a cavalry carbine - £350
Kar98k's - Varied in price and conditions. £250 to £600
Lee Enfield - No.3 SMLE, £300, No.4, £350 to £450, No.5 Jungle Carbine, £600
PPSH41 - £250
Sterling SMG's - £300 to £500
L7/FN MAG/M240 - £2000 approx
MG42 - £1300 to £1460
MG34 - £850 approx
MP40, and Yugoslavian copies, £300 approx
M1919 (A heavy sob...) £1500 approx
L1A1 SLR (Only saw first editions, one had a SUSAT, £1300 for that one, the rest were £850)
HK33 (Precision rifle version) £1349
G3A3 - £600
Bren guns - 1937, £800, 1938, £700, 1940, £650
All pistols were from £100 to £200. They weren't very common, most common pistols were Walther P38's.
That's all I can remember, I'm sure my memory will be jogged later on. Tomorrow or the day after when I go back I'll get pictures of some. There was a Minigun for sale, and some large calibre rifles. (Stuff like Hungarian Technika Gepards and Czech Falcons)
I'll take the pictures off of my phone of some of the vehicles later today and put in my thread.
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Of course, the majority were deactivated.
Some weren't. But you need a full UK firearms licence to buy them, and they were chained up behind the stalls on a board. The deact's were on tables and racks, you were free to pick them up and mess about with them a bit.
Darn, that's a shame. That's a whole lot of awesome guns that were destroyed.
At least it's better than tossing them into shredders or furnaces.
[QUOTE=40kplayer;16157915]I've been wondering about purchasing a .22 LR Ruger, but, I wanna check up on my gun laws. Anyone know where I can find a database of gun laws by state?[/QUOTE]
Those are legal in all states, including California.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16158108]Those are legal in all states, including California.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they're legal in Massachusetts but then again nothing is. Lemme check.
Hurp, yeah, shotguns and rifles are legal as long as they don't use HI-CAPACITY BANANA CLIPS or some shit.
[QUOTE=HarryLerman;16151486]
Also it's stupid expensive so DrMortician must have like 8 because this means it's probably one of the best guns you can own[/QUOTE]
I opted for a ruger SRH .454 instead.
Little more power and certainly more accurate. I wouldn't mind getting a desert eagle eventually, but there's a lot of other handguns I'd much rather own, it's pretty low on the list.
They make a 1911 in .50GI now. Seems much more practical to me, given it's not that powerful.
[img]http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/graphics/images/50gi_1_500_mod2_b.jpg[/img]
In fact that'd take care of a few things I'd like to have in 1 :P
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[QUOTE=DualReaver;16157562]I understand cleaning them, and I do clean my guns after every time I use them. I just don't consider how hard a gun is to take apart when buying one for recreational use. If say, I was going to Iraq to do some mercenary work, then I'd worry about that. My Dad's high end .45 takes a few minutes to take apart, where as I can strip my 9mm into pieces in a few seconds, but my Dad's .45 is still the better gun for the range. lol
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It seems like a silly reason to buy a gun. For me, it's about comfort/fun/accuracy.[/QUOTE]
It's a reason NOT to buy a gun, not so much a reason TO buy one.
Like with the ruger mark series. Perfect example of a gun where the difficulty to take it apart for cleaning makes it not worth owning.
What do you guys want me to write about today?
An interesting revolver (not the Mateba)
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or pistol
or anything from the 1800s/early 1900s
Do you have any specific handgun in mind?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16165728]Do you have any specific handgun in mind?[/QUOTE]
Springfield XD(m) in 9mm
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16165318]What do you guys want me to write about today?[/QUOTE]
motherfucking mg42
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16165728]Do you have any specific handgun in mind?[/QUOTE]
just do something cool like the LeMat or some pinfire thing
do the k31 goddamnit fuck
I can't find that much information about the K31's origins but here goes:
72)K31
[img]http://world.guns.ru/rifle/k31.jpg[/img]
Contrary to popular belief the K31 wasn't designed by Rudolf Schmidt Although it was based off the Schmidt-Rubin design which goes back to 1889.
Way back then most armies used single-shot paper cartridge rifles in roughly .50 caliber. For this reason the original Schmidt-Rubin in 7.5x53mm was a real innovation in a number of ways. While the bullets it fired were still in paper cartridges, they fed from a removable 12 round magazine. More interestingly rather than having a conventional bolt-action it featured a strait pull. The inner workings still rotated like a normal bolt-action and the gun still had to be cycled for every shot but the exterior of the bolt was mounted on a rail that rotated it as it was moved back and forth. This means that instead of cycling the action (ejecting the spent casing, cocking the gun, chambering a fresh round) by pulling a bolt up, back, forward and down it was done by simply moving it back and forward. This faster action coupled with the higher magazine capacity meant that this gun had a significantly greater rate of fire than other bolt-action rifles of its time.
But this design and its many variants eventually became outdated. In 1911 a new rifle based on this design was issued to the troops in tandem with a new metal-cased 7.5x55mm ammunition (it has roughly the ballistic properties of 7.62 NATO). While the basic idea behind the rifle was still the same it was essentially redesigned from the ground up. The result was more refined. While it still had a removable magazine which is somewhat rare in bolt-action rifles even today, it held 6 shots rather than 12. A carbine version was made as well.
But that rifle was the K11, not the K31.
Like I said before the original design of the series, Rudolf, had nothing to do with the new 1911 model or many of the 1889's variants because he died in 1898. Likewise he had nothing to do with the K31. It was actually designed by Waffenfabrik Bern. At that time the Swiss got the idea to take the K11, and make a rifle based on that which was as accurate as the full-sized 1911 rifle while being less expensive to manufacture and more reliable (since the strait-pull action occasionally encountered feed problems).
Impossible?
Not at all. in 1931 a rifle was adopted which matched all of those characteristics. Overall it was a refinement of the previous rifle. The stronger action could sometimes survive being fired with a barrel blockage. In fact four rifles fired off 150,000 rounds without any issues at all. Oh, and it still used the 7.5mm round. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. While these rifles cost less than their predecessors they were still made to very demanding standards.
The high accuracy and reliability were prized by the soldiers in the field although ironically this excellent weapon never really saw much fighting. Although roughly half a million were made to equip every man in Switzerland of fighting age no one outside of Switzerland adopted them. These rifles served to intimidate Germany throughout WW2 and like all bolt-actions were essentially obsolete by the time the war ended. They were replaced with the SIG 510 in the 1950's and tossed into arsenals or issued to civilians although a sniper variant remained in service for several years afterwords.
But like many such obsolete rifles rather than rotting in a dank bunker or being tossed into shredders they were sold off and have found a second life in the civilian market. The Swiss greatly prize the history of this rifle which (much like their homeland) never fought any wars, but the sub-MOA accuracy and excellent ballistics of the 7.5x55mm round are a neat bonus.
Not only are they popular within Switzerland where the ammunition is still widely available since it is still in service, they have made it to the US as well. Many have been imported here and sold for way less than they are worth at bargain basement prices. Many were snatched up for as little as 400$. A real steal considering that a rifle of such quality could easily cost well in the thousands today. While these rifles are accurate and their ammunition excellent for hunting they don't see that many sales with shooters since the ammunition is too scarce in the states. Rather they are mostly bought by collectors or simply those who find them interesting.
One neat fun fact is that many have a slip of paper under the buttplate containing the name and contact information of its previous owner. It is not uncommon that these people are contacted by curious collectors. It is also worth noting that while the rifles themselves tend to be in excellent condition and ready to shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds the stocks tend to be severely damaged. This is because during their service they were used as shovels, hammers, boot cleaners and the like.
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