[QUOTE=Prismatex;16132835]GunFox said that waiting periods of 5 days were a bad idea because people would be buying guns due to, and I quote, "imminent danger."
I don't know what kind of time period "imminent danger" is. If I knew that somebody (ex-husband?) was stalking me, I'd call the cops. I wouldn't want to take it into my own hands. I'm not saying for people not to carry guns for personal defense, but I can't imagine a 5-day waiting period hurting anyone.[/QUOTE]
He said quote" immediate danger" not imminent danger, imminent is like going to happen eventually, immediate is now. Damn dont get so butthurt because your cousin was a dumbass and shot him self. Oh no he didnt. Yes, i did. :derp:
The M20 Recoiless Rifle
ababs362, this discussion was over several pages ago. I don't want that debate in my thread. Please snip your post.
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[QUOTE=jgerm529;16211833]The M20 Recoiless Rifle[/QUOTE]
That's artillery. I prefer to stick with small arms.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV5;16211633]Mk2 hand grenade?[/QUOTE]
Not enough information available on it. Can you find any links?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16189152]Switzerland still uses it? I thought they switched over to a rifle caliber that is a bit closer to the 7.62 NATO.
that's what they did with the 5.56mm. The 550 series is meant to be able to fire a slightly bigger version of the 5.56 round as well as 5.56 itself but other 5.56 guns can't fire the Swiss bullet.
The Swiss bullet is called the 5.6x45mm GP90. It is meant to be not interchangeable with NATO ammunition as a matter of Swiss independence, but the 550's ability to use NATO ammunition as well as 5.6mm is potentially useful.
Or that's just something I read somewhere.
Anyway I figured they would do the same with the 7.62x51mm NATO. But it seems not. I'll edit the article when I move it to the front page.[/QUOTE]
7.5x55 is still in use with the MG51 and MG87 the latter is the MG of the Panzer 87 aka. Leopard 2
74)FN 1900
[img]http://world.guns.ru/handguns/browning1900r.jpg[/img]
Ever wonder who was the first to put a slide on a semi-automatic pistol?
Little surprise that it was none other than our dear friend, John Browning. But it wasn't the Colt 1911. It was the FN 1900, otherwise known as the Browning Number 1.
While it wasn't the first self-loading gun the addition of a slide was a great improvement over other recoil-operated mechanisms. It created a large surface that could be cocked easily which contained all the necessary workings such as the spring, follower and barrel. Because the most important moving part was so large and accessible, it was significantly sturdier and somewhat easier to manufacture than other designs. But the 1900 isn't what one would think of when thinking of a pistol with a slide today. The ejection port for instance is still in the frame, rather than on the slide and the recoil spring is above the barrel. It is also hammerless, being fired from a stiker which is attached to the follower spring. Other than that it is a normal single-action semi-automatic pistol that fires .32 ACP from a removable 7 round box magazine.
Because it combined the speed, efficiency, controllability and accuracy of a self-loading pistol without the inherent flimsiness, unreliability and high cost of other semi-automatics of the time this gun was a colossal success. Even though it was underpowered it is the reason why .32 ACP is so popular within Europe, particularly law enforcement agencies who want a compact weapon for undercover work, a purpose for which the tiny 1900 was ideal.
It was manufactured by FN until 1911 when the popularity of subsequent designs based on the 1900s such as the 1903 and 1910 greatly surpassed it in sales. By that time FN claims to have made 700,000 No. 1 pistols. But they weren't the only ones. Millions of copies and variants of the design were made from the US to Southeast Asia. But like the original 1900 these copies too, eventually fell out of favor due to the encroachment of more refined semi-automatics.
Contrary to popular belief the 1900 is not the gun that shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand, starting WW1. That was an FN 1910. But it was used to assassinate the Russian Governor-General of Finland in 1904. It was adopted by many militaries in Europe and other nations around the world, often issued as a personal defense weapon for officers. It also remained in favor with law enforcement agencies for decades after it was essentially obsolete and out of production. Today civilian use is mostly limited to that of collectors, but because the .32 ACP ammunition which it so greatly popularized is still as popular as ever it can occasionally see some use.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16211619]What do you guys want me to write about today?[/QUOTE]
Hi-Point pistols.
:smug:
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16211619]What do you guys want me to write about today?[/QUOTE]
Panzerfaust :D
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16212235]74)FN 1900
[img]http://world.guns.ru/handguns/browning1900r.jpg[/img]
Ever wonder who was the first to put a slide on a semi-automatic pistol?
Little surprise that it was none other than our dear friend, John Browning. But it wasn't the Colt 1911. It was the FN 1900, otherwise known as the Browning Number 1.
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Nice article!
You should do a John Browning bio.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16211619]What do you guys want me to write about today?[/QUOTE]
Saiga-12/20/.410 Shotgun?
Write about the Colt Paterson or early Pinfire revolvers.
[QUOTE=Rageblood;16212355]Saiga-12/20/.410 Shotgun?[/QUOTE]
It is an AK-47 action weapon that shoots a shotgun shell...
It is even mentioned in the ak47 article.
Gonna try to get a CZ-52 this week
ether that or a TT-33
My grandfather has a Dreyse 07 that looks very similar to that
[QUOTE=HarryLerman;16212426]Gonna try to get a CZ-52 this week
ether that or a TT-33[/QUOTE]
CZ-52? but those are totally crap just like the CZ75 right?
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;16212903]CZ-52? but those are totally crap just like the CZ75 right?[/QUOTE]
CZ is actually a very good manufacturer.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16212931]CZ is actually a very good manufacturer.[/QUOTE]
Hi-Point pistols. Do it.
[QUOTE=brans;16213101]Hi-Point pistols. Do it.[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of debate about their quality, some people really like them, others hate them like the plague. I'm not going to write about them without plenty of clear, unbiased information.
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;16212903]CZ-52? but those are totally crap just like the CZ75 right?[/QUOTE]
I never said that all of Česká Zbrojovka's firearms were shit
I just said that their new firearms are, and a BHP rocks the shit out of a CZ-75
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[QUOTE=brans;16213101]Hi-Point pistols. Do it.[/QUOTE]
modern day Saturday night specials
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16210056]Except since we're dealing with soft tissues and soft metals/fragmenting metals, that doesn't work out with a calculator.
A fast, light bullet will rapidly expand and fragment. Causing massive trauma. A slow, heavy bullet will punch a hole and maintain its momentum, yielding deeper penetration but little to no expansion or fragmentation.
Beyond that is where your calculator comes into play. Balancing between penetration and explosive energy for an optimal range is what you want. Basically fast and light but still able to reach vital organs is going to be the most effective stopper.
Try bowling with an 8 pound ball, then try it with a 15 pound ball, and tell me which has a more impressive effect on the pins.[/QUOTE]
I thought the question was which retains more energy, which I qualified in my post.
I don't disagree that a smaller fragmenting bullet is going to wreak much more havoc on tissue, but that's a lot different than just retaining energy. In THAT aspect, a lighter v. heavier round depends on the situation. A fragging round doesn't do much with 50mm of plate between you and your target :v:
Though, in my mind, the concept is similar to retained energy:
Effectiveness = explosive (fragging) energy * penetration
M203?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16212235]74)FN 1900
[img]http://world.guns.ru/handguns/browning1900r.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Awesome, I have one of those, great little pistol. I traded an Ipod for it.
The shell casings have a tendency to bounce off your hand though.
[QUOTE=thirty9th;16214410]I thought the question was which retains more energy, which I qualified in my post.
I don't disagree that a smaller fragmenting bullet is going to wreak much more havoc on tissue, but that's a lot different than just retaining energy. In THAT aspect, a lighter v. heavier round depends on the situation. A fragging round doesn't do much with 50mm of plate between you and your target :v:
Though, in my mind, the concept is similar to retained energy:
Effectiveness = explosive (fragging) energy * penetration[/QUOTE]
Actually if we are continuing this debate discussion, I have a picture that shows the wound channels and expansion of typical law enforcement rounds ranging from 9mm (various) , .357 SIG , .40 S&W and .45 ACP.
The .357 SIG and the .45 ACP both had the biggest effect, [B]however[/B] interestingly, there wasn't MAJOR differences in all the round's wound channels.
[QUOTE=professional;16214942]Actually if we are continuing this debate discussion, I have a picture that shows the wound channels and expansion of typical law enforcement rounds ranging from 9mm (various) , .357 SIG , .40 S&W and .45 ACP.
The .357 SIG and the .45 ACP both had the biggest effect, [B]however[/B] interestingly, there wasn't MAJOR differences in all the round's wound channels.[/QUOTE]
There's not THAT big of a difference in velocity and bullet design across them.
Find some 5.7x28mm ballistics tests and put it against the others.
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[QUOTE=thirty9th;16214410]I thought the question was which retains more energy, which I qualified in my post.
I don't disagree that a smaller fragmenting bullet is going to wreak much more havoc on tissue, but that's a lot different than just retaining energy. In THAT aspect, a lighter v. heavier round depends on the situation. A fragging round doesn't do much with 50mm of plate between you and your target :v:
Though, in my mind, the concept is similar to retained energy:
Effectiveness = explosive (fragging) energy * penetration[/QUOTE]
Yea but I'm thinking more in terms of "This person is robbing my house, which gun is going to allow me to stop him as quick as possible."
Typical stopping power situations do not include body armor, and I have SS195 for that.
Do an article on the Sterling SMG next Bean-O
Do the Remington Model 700 or The Winchester Model 70.
I'm going to say it again since i seemed to be ignored last time
M72 LAW
There is one more weapon I would like to suggest. The PTRS
[QUOTE=BCell;16220031]There is one more weapon I would like to suggest. The PTRS[/QUOTE]
Go back to World At War.
That thing doesn't meet any of the requirements for being a Fantastic Firearm.
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