Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16278006]I'll kindly redirect you to this post:[/QUOTE] Well then why'd you take the thread off topic by making that homophobic post?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16277981]If someone started talking about how a gun with pictures of fried chicken and watermelons on the side was for blacks, that'd be racist.[/QUOTE] If you think what I said earlier on is wrong, you should seriously reconsider.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16278021]Well then why'd you take the thread off topic by making that homophobic post?[/QUOTE] No matter what you say, one person out there in the world will be offended by it. You're the only person whining. I was making fun of a gun that's generally considered a sissy beauty queen. You're no different than some women's rights person whining that someone says the hello kitty AR15 is girly. Get over it and have a sense of humor, instead of having such a ridiculous persecution complex.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16278076]No matter what you say, one person out there in the world will be offended by it. You're the only person whining. I was making fun of a gun that's generally considered a sissy beauty queen. You're no different than some women's rights person whining that someone says the hello kitty AR15 is girly. Get over it and have a sense of humor, instead of having such a ridiculous persecution complex.[/QUOTE] If it was anyone else, I'd laugh. However, your posts in the past have been generally pretty homophobic. Shall I dig some up?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16278107]If it was anyone else, I'd laugh. However, your posts in the past have been generally pretty homophobic. Shall I dig some up?[/QUOTE] Not the place to do it. If you have a problem with me take it to PMs.

If you're going to make a joke harassing a generally persecuted social group, take it to PMs. :colbert:

Please do.

So.. that concealed carry gun..

[QUOTE=BricknHead;16276737]knowing all you gun enthusiasts are in here, figured I'd ask: What's a good starting handgun, something to look into? I don't know where I'll be heading in the future and some form of protection is always a good thing. Looking hopefully for a concealable pistol / revolver that's relatively easy to maintain and not too far over 1k. There's a lot of people saying that the Colt 1911 is amazing etc and I've heard all about it, but the barrel is (I think) five inches which hurts it in my purposes. I'm not looking only for a concealable weapon though - just something for general protection. A bunch of shit has happened to my family recently that makes me realize how fucking nuts some people are. up to this point I've fired only a Glock as far as pistols go, a .22 rifle, and an M14 Don't think of me as some kid that's hot and ready to pull the trigger on some fucker because of traumatic events, I know what I'm doing with most firearms and I know how to use them safely. Just don't know anything about the gun market.[/QUOTE] Great value beginners gun would be a springfield XD. What ever caliber you feel comfortable shooting. I really don't like the .45acp versions, but that's just me. I'd opt for .357sig or .40S&W. I currently use a .40S&W, but would like to have a .357sig conversion barrel. (Both of those rounds are modern and at the very top of the mountain in terms of handgun stopping power, offering unsurpassed versatility.) I'd avoid the XDm due to many complaints I've heard recently. YMMV.

Bean-O what is your opinion on the Bersa Thunder .380?

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16277945]This is a thread about firearms, not your own personal crusade for your sexuality. You might just be lost, here you go: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=227[/url][/QUOTE] I love how I clicked that link and the top thread was "Prismatex, we need to talk".

[QUOTE=Jman234;16278415]Bean-O what is your opinion on the Bersa Thunder .380?[/QUOTE] I'd say go with a 9mm version since the ammo is easier to come by and a bit more powerful. Also I don't know if it's too late but please no more of this homosexuality debate in my thread. That's not what it's for.

Hey, I didn't start it.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16278137]If you're going to make a joke harassing at a generally persecuted social group, take it to PMs. :colbert:[/QUOTE] wahh whine whine bitch bitch suck a dick

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16278137]If you're going to make a joke harassing a generally persecuted social group, take it to PMs. :colbert:[/QUOTE] I hate homophobes but what's more fucking annoying are people that define themselves by their sexuality stop it

Who said I defined myself by my sexuality?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16278933]Hey, I didn't start it.[/QUOTE] Yes you did? He made a joke, then you started the argument.

Ok, enough. This isn't a thread about homosexuality. Take it elsewhere. I don't care who started it. I just want this discussion to end.

What Bean-O said. Listen to this man.

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And I thought Furrys were bad... Prismatic, fuck off, really. Back on topic, could you do an article on the T-34 Tank?

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16279107]Or this, right? [I]It's truly a lovely firearm, and augments the military's racial diversity policies.[/I] :rolleye: See what I'm getting at? When you posted that, what did you expect? That no one would be offended? Your post even had a little misogny to it. "[I]Damn them womens in mah army and their sissy woman guns![/I]"[/QUOTE] get out of here, troll. here, if you want to discuss your homosexuality, I'm gonna throw this out here: It's because of people like you that a majority of gays are hated.

[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16279241]get out of here, troll. here, if you want to discuss your homosexuality, I'm gonna throw this out here: It's because of people like you that a majority of gays are hated.[/QUOTE] Who said I was a troll? I'm just explaining how I see it.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16279256]Who said I was a troll? I'm just explaining how I see it.[/QUOTE] Your just being a fucking ass, So what, some guy doesnt like gays. Big fucking whoop. You dont need to get fucking personal about it. Take your immature pissy little victim complex somewhere else. Furthermore, the quote was from the fucking site, if you have a problem, go there and complain.

[highlight]Special Edition 5[/highlight]: Gun Safety. [img]http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/670b94c04a2ddc4bba1a7e437a2750be.jpg[/img] Picture originally made by Oleg Volk, unless I am mistaken. Now that I think about it I'm surprised I didn't discuss this sooner. Firearms in general aren't the safest things in the wrong hands. Just like there are rules you must follow when handling a power drill or driving a car there are rules you must follow when handling any gun. Like that picture indicates: 1)Treat every gun as if it's loaded. A huge chunk of gun accidents involve people assuming that a gun is not loaded, meaning that they are free to horse around with it as they see fit. The most common mistake is when someone removes the magazine from a firearm and therefore assumes that it isn't loaded, but they forget that a round may be chambered. This ends up getting a lot of people shot. Even if you know it isn't loaded you must follow all the other rules. One exception to this rule is if you are in the process of cleaning your gun and you have unloaded it, verified that there are no rounds chambered and disassembled it. Another is when a ceasefire is declared at the range and the rangemasters have inspected all of the weapons on the firing line, verifying that they are unloaded. You may then proceed in front of the firing line to check your target, having been assured that there are no loaded guns. 2)Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. Because this rule applies to when a person is actually shooting a gun it is often considered as a secondary consideration, but it is no less important. Bullets, by nature, tend to penetrate objects rather well. In fact much better than people are often led to believe. Therefore when you're shooting a gun it's very important to consider where the bullet will go after it passes through a target. Any given shooting range will have a backstop, often consisting of a mound of dirt which can stop pretty much anything. This is also one of the few rules that applies to when you're actually using a gun in self-defense. It's good to consider the possibility of your bullet passing through your attacker, through some drywall and into your neighbor before you pull the trigger. 3)Never point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy. In other words a reiteration of treating a gun as if it's always loaded. But now you're focusing specifically on where it's aimed. When a newer person gets a hold of a gun they can easily forget this rule and accidentally find themselves doing what is called a "muzzle sweep" where they unwittingly move the barrel past a person or a number of people. This is an unsafe thing to do considering the aforementioned assumption that the gun is loaded. In short, don't point it at people. In fact , since the barrel has to point somewhere point it at the safest place you can think of. Downrange (assuming you're on a firing line and there's nothing between you and downrange) or towards the ground work fine (not your foot). 4)Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire. Since you don't need to keep your finger on the trigger while holding a gun it is good practice to keep it outside of the trigger guard. In fact it's good practice to do this even when you are shooting, keep the finger off the trigger while aiming the gun and only slide it inside the trigger guard when you're about to take the shot. This rule can apply in self-defense situations as well. Keeping the finger outside the trigger guard until you make a definite decision to shoot helps keep you from firing a gun as a result of being startled. So there you have it. The basic rules you must follow when you are holding or using a gun. When you are new to it you will find yourself breaking them occasionally, particularly trigger discipline and muzzle sweep. But so long as you are quick to correct yourself it will come to you in due time and it will swiftly become second nature. Some people pick it up faster than others and if they can't pick it up at all that's what nerf guns are for. But there are other things you should keep in mind. -Don't load the gun unless you're planning on shooting it. Having a loaded gun somewhere that's easy to reach in case you need to defend yourself is fine, having a loaded gun sitting around within plain view and easy reach of anyone is a very bad idea. If you're simply storing a gun, store it unloaded. -While the merits of trigger locks are disputable it is generally a good idea to store your guns in a gun safe or at very least a place where they're hard to get at. -Wear eye and ear protection when at a gun range or firing a gun. This is because guns are loud, very loud. If yours isn't loud you'll probably find yourself sharing the range with the one guy who's packing a .44 magnum with a 1 inch barrel that you can hear from 5 miles away. It is generally accepted as good practice to not go deaf. This is even more important to consider if you're at an indoor range. Eye protection is there because those very hot shell casings tend to get tossed around a fair bit. Catching one in your eye is somewhat unpleasant. -If you reload ammunition know what you are doing. Don't just cram the casing with all the gunpowder you can stuff into it. Any given gun is only meant to handle so much pressure. Overloading can put a lot of unnecessary wear on your gun or even cause it to explode in your hands. -Hold a gun properly. Shooting limpwristed, gangsta style, shouldered improperly or just overall the wrong way can shift the barrel in an unsafe direction. Have a good amount of control over your gun. This is not only safer it significantly helps you shoot accurately. Also, holding a gun that is reasonably powerful the wrong way can cause the recoil to hurt you. Improper shouldering of powerful rifles or shotguns can severely injure one's shoulders. Improperly holding a handgun can cause the slide to bite your wrist, recoil can cause severe injury as well. We're not talking wanker's cramp either. -If your gun jams, don't be an idiot and look down the barrel. That is something that only happens in cartoons. Misfires can be the result of many things and they do not guarantee that it is safe to ignore all the proper rules of gun handling. Either fix a misfire yourself or have someone who knows what they are doing fix it for you. -Transport a gun in a gun case or a gun bag. People can be somewhat skiddish around firearms because like the very first rule says, people generally assume that guns are loaded. A locked case can also help keep it from falling into the wrong hands. So in general when transporting a gun, have it inside a case or a box. You don't want to give people heart attacks. -Don't shoot guns into the air. Bullets fall out of the sky at pretty much the same velocity as when they leave the barrel. They can and on rare occasion have fallen out of the sky and killed people. -Don't use a gun while drunk or stoned. This is pretty self-explanatory. This stuff is essentially common sense but you'd be surprised how often even the simple rules are broken.

Yay, back on track. [editline]02:09AM[/editline] IMO, any kind of drunk driving conviction/drunk anything conviction should preclude you from owning a gun. Too many alcoholics do stupid shit with guns.

I don't think that's fair, one stupid mistake shouldn't result in a right that you Americans hold in such high-esteem being removed from someone. If they have a history of alcohol related offences, then sure.

[QUOTE=Exalion;16279686]I don't think that's fair, one stupid mistake shouldn't result in a right that you Americans hold in such high-esteem being removed from someone. If they have a history of alcohol related offences, then sure.[/QUOTE] If "We Americans" care that much about the right to bear arms, we should know enough not to act like idiots when it comes to alcohol or drugs. It should be first offense in my opinion; it would be a good deterrent and would highlight that it's a [i]privilege[/i] to own a firearm.

[QUOTE=PrismatexV6;16279498] IMO, any kind of drunk driving conviction/drunk anything conviction should preclude you from owning a gun. Too many alcoholics do stupid shit with guns.[/QUOTE] If it's a felony offense, yes. But even though go away over time. But there's a lot of situations where you're really not doing something THAT bad. For example. As a bus driver, if I use mouthwash before I have a drug test, I'll lose my job. It's bad enough that I'd lose my job over mouth wash, but lose my right to ever have a gun again? That's ridiculous. The system could also be skewed to universally ban guns. [editline]03:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=thirty9th;16280372]If "We Americans" care that much about the right to bear arms, we should know enough not to act like idiots when it comes to alcohol or drugs. It should be first offense in my opinion; it would be a good deterrent and would highlight that it's a [i]privilege[/i] to own a firearm.[/QUOTE] Privilege? Hahahahah, no sorry. Driving is a [i]privilege[/i], gun ownership is a constitutional right. This argument is ridiculous. It's a matter of civil rights. END OF DISCUSSION.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16278903]I'd say go with a 9mm version since the ammo is easier to come by and a bit more powerful. Also I don't know if it's too late but please no more of this homosexuality debate in my thread. That's not what it's for.[/QUOTE] I myself have shot one and it is very compact and has very low recoil but the accuracy is a big downside to it at about 50 yards.