Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

Is the Gepard anti-materiel rifle considered widespread/good enough to be a Fantastic Firearm?

That's the rather large Hungarian thing isn't it?

Yes. It's used by the US, Russia, Hungary, and a couple other countries.

14.7mm IIRC. If its the Technika thing, I remember liking it.

this is it [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/GEPM1.jpg[/img]

How good was the M3 Grease Gun?

[QUOTE=Al_Borland;16439745]How good was the M3 Grease Gun?[/QUOTE] Shitty

Was the auto-lock feature done away with? We're now at page 27, 1043 posts.

No, just raised to 2000 posts.

82)Panzerfaust "Armor Fist" Series [img]http://www.gd-uk.org/images/research_pages/pznkacker_images/panzerfaust11.jpg[/img] While only produced from 1943 to 1945 this series of recoilless anti-tank weapons pretty much re-invented the rocket launcher as we know it. The odd part is, the Panzerfaust itself is NOT a rocket launcher. That's right. From the very early stages of development to the actual production version it never had a rocket motor. The projectile was simply fired out of the tube. In 1942 German weapon developers got the idea to give some of their soldiers the ability to knock out tanks with a single-shot disposable, recoilless rifle that fired a projectile which actually protruded outside of the weapon, allowing it to carry a large, explosive warhead. On impact this warhead was to detonate, sending a tungsten core through as much as 5 inches of solid steel. Eventually this idea sprouted into the Panzerfaust 30. Named so because the effective range of the projectile was 30 meters. Essentially a stone's throw. The wooden stabilizers that unfolded mid-flight only helped marginally and the lack of sights didn't help much either. But this weapon put the ability to penetrate the armor of almost any part of almost any armored vehicle into the hands of just about every soldier in the field. This production version could punch through 200mm of armor, almost 8 inches. It was also very light, weighing in at a little over 10 pounds. It was also very easy to use. In all almost 1/2 million were made. But as you can see by the picture the 30 wasn't the only model. In fact it wasn't the most common either. The extremely limited range made it a very unsafe and dangerous weapon to use. It was swiftly withdrawn from production when these serious problems arose. Thus a 60m version with a bigger warhead, twice the range and the addition of actual sights was produced. This one, introduced in 1944 would see the largest production of the series. Millions upon millions were made. Some were even shipped to Finland to help them beat back the Red Army in the Continuation War which was as the name implies a continuation of the Winter War. While this launcher wasn't as light it was still quite portable as far as anti-tanks weapons go. It weighed about 13 pounds. At the same time it had twice the range, almost twice the power and cost about the same to make. The last version introduced en masse was the 100. This time it had a range of 100 yards and could penetrate an extra 20mm of armor. The big innovation was that it could be reloaded up to ten times, beyond that reloading and using it an 11th time is considered unsafe. Only introduced 2 months before the end of WW2 very few of these were made. A 150 version was designed as well, but never produced. In all as many as 5 million were made in the span of two years, allowing the average German squad to reap havoc on Allied armor and vice-versa allowed allied troops to use captured examples to equal effect against their original users. Russia designated captured Panzerfausts as the RPG-1. The proliferation of this weapon among German ranks meant that Allied armor could not advance without infantry support, especially in urban fighting lest they fall prey to its wrath since almost every other German had one and knew how to use it. While this is very impressive by any standard, let alone that of a weapon which was only in production for 2-2.5 years, this weapon had a hell of a legacy to leave behind. The reloadability of the Panzerfaust 100 coupled with the configuration of the projectile (where it protrudes in front of the tube) ultimately inspired the PRG-2 which in turn led to the RPG-7. Meanwhile the concept of a disposable, single-shot anti-tank weapon inspired the LAW and many of the other disposables still in use today.

Do the Type 38 Arisaka rifle.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;15808517]Ugh. The AWSMWL112123A23 or whatever the fuck it is is too new and there are better, older sniper rifles out there. The MP7 was in the Weeaboo Weapons thread and it's your typical HK bullshit, the round is pretty much useless as well.[/QUOTE] Lol, the round is useless. That made me giggle. Bullets kill people, size, shape, they don't matter when you're shot in some major artery and bleeding rediculously fast, or in the chest, or head. A bullet is a bullet man. Against a man that is, shooting at a vehicle etc is an entirely different ballgame, but if you're hit by a bullet, I don't care the size you're 99% on the floor, unless you're lucky, or some shit. Bullets hurt.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16445727]Lol, the round is useless. That made me giggle. Bullets kill people, size, shape, they don't matter when you're shot in some major artery and bleeding rediculously fast, or in the chest, or head. A bullet is a bullet man. Against a man that is, shooting at a vehicle etc is an entirely different ballgame, but if you're hit by a bullet, I don't care the size you're 99% on the floor, unless you're lucky, or some shit. Bullets hurt.[/QUOTE] It lacks enough mass to be effective at killing someone. A 20gr bullet just isn't going to cut it, especially at that low of velocity. Also, do you want me to dig up a video showing people taking 10+ shots of 5.56mm to the chest and still running? Probably can't even post it due to the content. Nothing will drop someone where they stand instantly short of a .50BMG.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16446287]It lacks enough mass to be effective at killing someone. A 20gr bullet just isn't going to cut it, especially at that low of velocity. Also, do you want me to dig up a video showing people taking 10+ shots of 5.56mm to the chest and still running? Probably can't even post it due to the content. Nothing will drop someone where they stand instantly short of a .50BMG.[/QUOTE] He's not going to keep running for long. [editline]09:10PM[/editline] I for one, know that just about any of use here wouldn't continue properly operating when shot. Most people wouldn't. I've been accidentally stabbed by things to the point where I've needed to see a doctor, and I can't see a piece of boiling hot lead digging into me feeling better in any sort of way, especially since it's likely to break bones.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16446439]He's not going to keep running for long. [editline]09:10PM[/editline] I for one, know that just about any of use here wouldn't continue properly operating when shot. Most people wouldn't. I've been accidentally stabbed by things to the point where I've needed to see a doctor, and I can't see a piece of boiling hot lead digging into me feeling better in any sort of way, especially since it's likely to break bones.[/QUOTE] It's not. Bullets don't break bones. They ricochet off. Unless it's a bloody slug, in which case you're probably right.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16446439]He's not going to keep running for long. [editline]09:10PM[/editline] I for one, know that just about any of use here wouldn't continue properly operating when shot. Most people wouldn't. I've been accidentally stabbed by things to the point where I've needed to see a doctor, and I can't see a piece of boiling hot lead digging into me feeling better in any sort of way, especially since it's likely to break bones.[/QUOTE] Try having it happen while being pumped up on adrenaline.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;16440290]Shitty[/QUOTE] NO!

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16446605]Try having it happen while being pumped up on adrenaline.[/QUOTE] And in a couple moments-minutes, the bleeding, pain, and shock catches up to you. Welcome to the floor.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16446605]Try having it happen while being pumped up on adrenaline.[/QUOTE] The guys in the North Hollywood shootout, who had been taking PCP and adrenaline IIRC, took about ~25 shots each before finally going down.

[QUOTE=lintz;16446572]It's not. Bullets don't break bones. They ricochet off. Unless it's a bloody slug, in which case you're probably right.[/QUOTE] No, bullets definitely break bones, your skull is comprised of bones. Bullets that hit a bullet proof vest might even break ribs. Honestly it's ridiculous to say bullets don't kill people. Soldiers die, if everyone took bullets and kept going war would be alot different.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16446905]And in a couple moments-minutes, the bleeding, pain, and shock catches up to you. Welcome to the floor.[/QUOTE] Would you rather the person shooting at you be dead now or in a couple minutes? [editline]08:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Oecleus;16440290]Shitty[/QUOTE] It was far from shitty, but that's not saying it was particularly good. However it was more or less just a .45 ACP Sten that was significantly more expensive to produce.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16447696]Would you rather the person shooting at you be dead now or in a couple minutes? [editline]08:43PM[/editline] It was far from shitty, but that's not saying it was particularly good. However it was more or less just a .45 ACP Sten that was significantly more expensive to produce.[/QUOTE] If you take more than one bullet and you're still standing, congratulations, you're on in ten thousand.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16446905]And in a couple moments-minutes, the bleeding, pain, and shock catches up to you. Welcome to the floor.[/QUOTE] Cool, so we draw on each other and you shoot me, while I keep shooting you for the next 60 seconds. Who do you think is going to survive? [editline]11:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jawalt;16448019]If you take more than one bullet and you're still standing, congratulations, you're on in ten thousand.[/QUOTE] DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF YOU ARE FAINT AT HEART: You heard me. [url]http://www.petenelson.com/video/filipino.mpeg[/url] People don't drop instantly like in movies.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16447696]Would you rather the person shooting at you be dead now or in a couple minutes? [editline]08:43PM[/editline] It was far from shitty, but that's not saying it was particularly good. However it was more or less just a .45 ACP Sten that was significantly more expensive to produce.[/QUOTE] I didn't know the performance of the gun itself, I just knew that the gun didn't fill in the role it was trying to play, which was a cheap, easily manufactured machine gun that was better and more accurate then the thompson. [editline]11:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DrMortician;16448213]Cool, so we draw on each other and you shoot me, while I keep shooting you for the next 60 seconds. Who do you think is going to survive? [editline]11:17PM[/editline] DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF YOU ARE FAINT AT HEART: You heard me. [url]http://www.petenelson.com/video/filipino.mpeg[/url] People don't drop instantly like in movies.[/QUOTE] I don't see your argument, you are basically saying that any gun won't instakill a determined/drugged up attacker. What are you trying to say, that all guns are useless?

[QUOTE=Oecleus;16448480]I didn't know the performance of the gun itself, I just knew that the gun didn't fill in the role it was trying to play, which was a cheap, easily manufactured machine gun that was better and more accurate then the thompson. [/QUOTE] Wasn't it cheaper and more accurate than the Thompson though?

[QUOTE=Oecleus;16448480] I don't see your argument, you are basically saying that any gun won't instakill a determined/drugged up attacker. What are you trying to say, that all guns are useless?[/QUOTE] That you can't count on anything to instantly drop someone like in movies. What decides if someone drops where they stand is your [b]SHOT PLACEMENT[/b]. Hit almost any major vital organ, I.E. heart or brain, and they're going to drop almost instantly. The bigger the gun the less you have to worry about it.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;16448598]Wasn't it cheaper and more accurate than the Thompson though?[/QUOTE] Let me ask the wiki-gods brb

Dude you're thinking of the Hollywood movies. Being shot in the torso, I don't care wear is going to put you of the floor. Being shot in the leg might not kill you instantly, but you'll bleed fast. Being shot in the head and you die. Be shot anywhere and you're feeling the worst pain you've ever felt and on the floor.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16448670]Dude you're thinking of the Hollywood movies. Being shot in the torso, I don't care wear is going to put you of the floor. Being shot in the leg might not kill you instantly, but you'll bleed fast. Being shot in the head and you die. Be shot anywhere and you're feeling the worst pain you've ever felt and on the floor.[/QUOTE] Did you watch that video?

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16448674]Did you watch that video?[/QUOTE] That video is one in a million.