[QUOTE=Resistance777;16473230]Its not that bad of a weapon, but its just overused and all that [sp]But it doesnt deserve to be in this thread[/sp]
Its in the [B][I]weeboo weaponery[/I][/B] thread
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Also, is the G41 a varient of the G3?[/QUOTE]
It's a variant of the HK 33 designed to be compatable with NATO STANAG magazines instead of it's normal propietary magazines, and to resemble the M16 when it comes to user operation. Such as an M16 style bolt release and forward assist.
[QUOTE=ksenior;16452809]The Moro's where high on drugs[/QUOTE]
They also had bamboo armour.
What about the G36 line of rifles?
EDIT:
Nevermind, bad reading on my part.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;16473596]What about the G36 line of rifles?[/QUOTE]
Read the thread.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;16473596]What about the G36 line of rifles?[/QUOTE]
Weeaboo Weaponry.
Bean-O or anyone else: I'm curious to know exactly what the policy is on personal firearms in the military, especially US/UK. I'm not in the service nor plan to join but I'd just like to know after reading the Colt 1911 entry.
Plus G36's and all its bastard family looks bad.
In my [B]opinion[/B].
[QUOTE=Skooma;16473669]Bean-O or anyone else: I'm curious to know exactly what the policy is on personal firearms in the military, especially US/UK. I'm not in the service nor plan to join but I'd just like to know after reading the Colt 1911 entry.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, you can bring them, but you also waive some benefits or something.
[QUOTE=Patttttttttt;16473671]Plus G36's and all its bastard family looks bad.
In my [B]opinion[/B].[/QUOTE]
Eh, they're not awful, but the rails could stand to be... well either not there or different.
You know, I really enjoyed that molotov article. Thrown weapons don't get enough love.
[QUOTE=Skooma;16473669]Bean-O or anyone else: I'm curious to know exactly what the policy is on personal firearms in the military, especially US/UK. I'm not in the service nor plan to join but I'd just like to know after reading the Colt 1911 entry.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you couldn't bring in your own personal weapons for use, think of the nightmare it would cause when your team is packing issued 5.56 ammunition and your rocking it out with your uncle's bubba'd .30-06 rifle. Personal modifications and attachements and the like are fine if your company gets signed off on it IIRC.
Also IIRC, certain special units get to pick from a list of approved firearms for their personal side arm, despite popular belief, Special Forces do not always get whatever they want, when they want.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;16460219]On this subject there's also the bullet tips (that would make an interesting article). Like Solid, Core-Lokt and hollow pointed etc.
Apparently if a military uses a hollow pointed round against another person would technically get the nation of that military in deep shit with the Geneva Convention rules.
It's something to do with the wounds those things inflict.
Someone please do correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with the Geneva convention, the Geneva convention deals with POW's and civilians during war
It's the Hague convention that tells army they cant use hollow points
[QUOTE=DualReaver;16468783]I've heard something like that before, actually.
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1899 Hague Conventions consisted of four main sections and three additional declarations (the final main section is for some reason identical to the first additional declaration):
* I - Pacific Settlement of International Disputes
* II - Laws and Customs of War on Land
* III - Adaptation to Maritime Warfare of Principles of Geneva Convention of 1864
* IV - Prohibiting Launching of Projectiles and Explosives from Balloons
* Declaration I - On the Launching of Projectiles and Explosives from Balloons
* Declaration II - On the Use of Projectiles the Object of Which is the Diffusion of Asphyxiating or Deleterious Gases
* Declaration III - On the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body
I assume it's this part.[/QUOTE]
Does IV prevent the use of weaponized blimps? Why can't projectiles be fired from balloons?
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;16476180]Does IV prevent the use of weaponized blimps? Why can't projectiles be fired from balloons?[/QUOTE]
The Hague convention was written up before the invention of aeroplanes, and thus they feared anything new
[QUOTE=ksenior;16474904]It has nothing to do with the Geneva convention, the Geneva convention deals with POW's and civilians during war
It's the Hague convention that tells army they cant use hollow points[/QUOTE]
Ah. Thanks for clearing that up.
[QUOTE=GunFox;16453248]"4.6 and 5.7 are dum, dey dun kill people in 1 shot!"
"No ur dum bullets r bullets"
Hey kids, lets look at option three:
These tiny calibers are accurate for SMG rounds and weigh in at a fraction of the weight of even most other standard combat pistol calibers. Now couple that with virtually no recoil.
GASP. COULD IT BE THAT THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED TO CAUSE ONE HIT KILLS? No don't be silly gunfox, they gave the P90 a 50 round magazine for entertainment value. The MP7 just has a 40 round mag for shits and giggles. It isn't that they wanted you to put a BURST into someone. That would be outside the realm of normal thinking! The fact that you can carry ungodly large amounts of ammunition should be ignored entirely! /sarcasm
Kids, the guns are designed to be used on burst or full auto. Yes, one bullet does little damage, but 3 put into the chest followed by probably another 6 in two more bursts will rape you miserably. Because DERP DERP tiny rounds have little recoil! Now add in the fact that they go through standard body armor and you have a pretty damn functional round.
The pistols chambered in the rounds are COMPANION guns. They are there to be used WITH the smg versions as backup guns.[/QUOTE]
Military can't use expanding or exotic ammunition either. The 5.7 can be handloaded to effectively hunt deer, so it can be quite a decent 1 shot stopper provided the correct ammunition. And no, it isn't the SS190.
I'm not aware of the 4.6 even being sold to the public... But, I don't think a round that small would benefit from any type of expanding bullet. It's too small and too light to carry enough energy.
How about the Remington 760/0?
84)Carl Gustav M/45
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/kp_m45.jpg[/img]
When you think of the kind of guns used by US special forces and Seals a simplistic open-bolt SMG such as this would be the last thing on your mind. However, unimpressive as it may seem it was in fact once prized by that specific clientele.
Designed in Sweden towards the end of WW2 by (you guessed it) Carl Gustav the M45 represents what you would expect of a WW2 era SMG. It is open-bolt, simplistic, rugged and reliable although not particularly accurate. Indeed it is such a crude weapon that it doesn't even feature a proper safety, not like that actually matters that much in a battlefield. The really neat feature on this design is actually the magazine. It is actually wider at the back than it is in the front, allowing the ammunition to be staggered efficiently enough to hold 36 rounds, 50 rounders exist as well. These magazines are also notable for avoiding the feed problems that plague other designs, even in freezing conditions which is why the Czech model 23 and 25 as well as the French MAS SMGs borrow this trapezoid concept as well. It also greatly influenced the development of the TEC-9 series.
It was adopted by the Swedish army as their standard SMG in 1945 and even though it has fallen out of service since that time a number are still in use. Abroad, it is license-built in Egypt as the Port Said which is in turn sold to a number of countries such as Indonesia. But this isn't what you want to hear. I bet it's killing you, I know that you want to know why the hell "Operators" would ever give this junky-looking late-WW2-era pipe gun any kind of consideration at all?
Well the answer is that it is a prime example of an incredibly simple open-bolt blowback SMG. This means that there are very few components that can get nark'd during use. In fact it is so simple that a Seal could submerge with it and fire it as soon as he raises it out of the water. It really helps quite a bit that at the same time it is very solidly built, the Swedes did not cut corners. During Vietnam both the Seals and the Spec Ops used unmarked Gustavs which they called the "Swedish K". After Sweden stopped making them Smith and Wesson made an unlicensed copy called the M76.
However both the Swedish K and M76 were soon withdrawn from service for one reason or another. Quite a few ended up on the Class 3 civilian market in the US. Because of this they have actually appeared in a couple of movies too such as Dog Day Afternoon, The Getaway, Miami Vice, Starsky and Hutch, the Joker even used one in the Dark Knight and that's just the M76.
It isn't a very well known design but in it's time it was very much an operator's weapon. At the same time it was still simple and cheap enough for numerous third world countries to acquire it. The magazines were especially successful, since they held more ammo and were more reliable than many others of the time, although they just never caught on as much as they should have. In all 300,000 original M45s were made, but copies such as the Port Said and M76 could number over a million combined (we may never know for sure). In all, quite impressive for what many people would quickly pass off as an "obsolete" WW2 era SMG.
Nice but Bean-O where's the dear old MP-40?
Why is this thread on the second page at the bottom?
[QUOTE=Karskin;16509337]Why is this thread on the second page at the bottom?[/QUOTE]
I don't know but the rules are that if this isn't on the front page I'm not resurrecting it to add content. Something which I must now do.
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85)MP38/MP-40
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mp40-1.jpg[/img]
In the Mid 1930's Germany set upon developing a new, compact SMG for its army in disregard for the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles (not that the League of Nations would ever do anything about it). This weapon, commissioned by the Heereswaffenamt (Army Weapons Office) was to be smaller and handier than the carbine style SMGs that came before it, such as the venerable MP-18.
The results of these trials were a series of less-than-memorable subguns which were for the most part based off the MP-18 one way or another that never entered production in any great numbers. Eventually they settled on the MP-38 which was based off the 36. The MP-38 was a departure in that it had a vertical 32 round magazine and the front coupled with a pistol grip in the back which had a simple (if rickety) folding stock.
This gun had no semi-automatic setting, but rather than being a simple pipe gun it actually featured a weird bolt system that included a recoil buffer. This in turn helped keep the rate of fire to a minimum, allowing a soldier to fire off a single shot with a quick pull of the trigger. At the same time it served to control recoil. Contrary to popular belief you should NEVER fire it holding on to the magazine, instead the foregrip is a plastic panel located between the pistol grip and magazine.
All in all however very few MP-38s were ever made as they featured machined steel throughout and were taken out of production after only two years, replaced with the MP-40. The major difference here is that it was far more simplified, using stamped parts wherever possible. This second-generation SMG had finally come of age as a WW2-era firearm, the critical element being simplified production.
As we all know MP-40s were used extensively by Germans in WW2. In truth however not each German got one. Most still carried K98k's. An MP-40 would frequently be issued to a squad leader. Often they would be issued to a larger group of troops if they were expected to do a lot of urban fighting, but the majority would still be using the K98 since it had far greater range and accuracy. The two weapons worked together in a squad fairly well since the riflemen would take care of any threat at long range while the man with the SMG could provide adequate support at closer ranges.
After the war with millions of these weapons in existence they weren't all destroyed. That wouldn't make much sense. Many countries such as Austria and Norway continued to use them. Because the 9mm ammunition was adopted by NATO it wasn't obsolete, therefore these guns still found use all over Europe and abroad. Many were used by law-enforcement agencies. In one notable incident the fledgling SWAT unit of the LAPD used a few during a shootout with the S.L.A. in 1974.
A number of copies were made over the years, such as the Yugoslavian M56. But this weapon is essentially obsolete. It has been bested by lighter, more effective weapons such as the UZI and MP5. Indeed the overall role of the SMG in warfare had been significantly diminished with the rise of the Assault Rifle which offers a middle ground between it and battle rifles such as the K98.
How good was the Carcano?
[QUOTE=Al_Borland;16509794]How good was the Carcano?[/QUOTE]
Ask JFK
i lol'd
[QUOTE=Stickmoose;16510216]Ask JFK[/QUOTE]
So evil but yet so funny.
[QUOTE=Stickmoose;16510216]Ask JFK[/QUOTE]
I would like to commend you on your statement.
