[QUOTE=nunu;16716792]Looks like an asain design to me.[/QUOTE]
asians are ugly therefore it is not asian because it looks sexy
I don't know, it looks really thin and cheap. Anyway that's my opinion and no reason to rate me dumb.
i did not rate you dumb.
however i did rate you late
LOLICANRHYME
[QUOTE=nunu;16716792]Looks like an asain design to me.[/QUOTE]
British, actually.
[QUOTE=nunu;16716792]Looks like an asain design to me.[/QUOTE]
It looks halfway between the M1 Garand and the M1903, whatchu talkin' bout?
92)M60
[img]http://world.guns.ru/machine/m60_01.jpg[/img]
After WW2 just about every country was studying the various small arms developed and used against them by Germany. America was no exception. The result was an experiment by the Saginaw Steering Gear division of GM to convert the MG-42 to 30.06 although that turned into a trainwreck when they discovered that the American bullet is 6mm longer than 8mm Mauser meaning that just about every component had to be re-designed to do this.
So that project was a failure. But not quite. When the US army was asking around for a newer, lighter GPMG this idea was resurrected. This time, however it used the FG-42 as the base and essentially slapped an MG-42 belt feed system on the left side, feeding from the bottom to the top. It was called the T-44 prototype and looks something like this.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/machine/m60_t44.jpg[/img]
This didn't quite resemble the gun we ultimately ended up with, because the development of this project was halted abruptly when the US army adopted the lighter 7.62x51mm NATO bullet. Working from the T44 they ended up with a T-52, then a T-161 and eventually the T-161E3 which was adopted in 1957 as the M60. By that time due to extensive tweaks, renovations and re-designs it had little in common with the humble T-44.
Ultimately the Us army ended up with a gun that worked, for the most part. It was much lighter than machine guns such as the Browning 1917 at about 20 pounds. It was made out of cheap and light stamped steel components wherever possible. Many of the grip and stock components were made out of composites. The receiver and feed system worked flawlessly during testing but the constant foible was the barrel and gas cylinder assembly.
Feeling the need to redesign the wheel GM's designers gave it a gas piston with a cup at the front end. However, this could be installed backwards by accident, turning the machine gun into a 20-pound belt-fed bolt-action rifle. It could also shake itself loose during prolonged firing and many US troops reinforced the exterior of the gas piston assembly with "safety wiring" to prevent the piston from flying out.
It didn't help too much that the barrel, gas piston and bipod were one piece and any machine gun crew needs at least one spare barrel in case the other overheats. Hauling around spare M60 barrels meant hauling the gas system (often with improvised retrofits which added weight) as well as the bipod which wasn't that light either.
Other than the gas piston that wanted to be a bullet and the needless heft of the barrel assembly (at least when you need spares) this gun was ready for one of America's bloodiest and most famous conflicts. Vietnam. There, it became an iconic symbol of American efforts to support the fight against communism. The troops that carried them were not happy.
On top of the gas and barrel assembly foibles it was found that the gun needed constant care and maintainance in jungle conditions. Otherwise it jammed constantly. Many parts such as the feed tray were too cheaply made and broke during operation, rendering the weapon useless. The Marines who especially hated the M60 kept using Browning BARs instead, they even kept using them unofficially years after they were supposed to trade them in for M60s.
It was time for an update.
The result, while it never entered mass production was the M60E1. It had better parts that didn't break, the gas system was partially fixed and the bipod was moved to the receiver so it wouldn't add weight to the barrel assembly. In the 1970s the Saco division of Maremont Corp developed the M60 "Lightweight". This gun worked from the M60E1s improvements but now the gas system was separate from the barrel, it was also improved so now it didn't need any safety wiring at all. It also kept the E1's bipod which was attached to the receiver. Other improvements such as a forward pistol grip, improved sights and better internals followed resulting in a significantly more effective gun.
By that time the war was essentially over and due to the many foibles and flaws encountered with the M60 platform the US army adopted the M-240 (AKA FN MAG) to replace it. However it wasn't done yet. The Lightweight ultimately spawned its own variants, known as the M60E3 and E4. They are mostly used for special forces operations, rather than being a frontline weapon. This is on top of the various M60s left in service here and there.
But America wasn't the only user.
Largely due to American influence other nations such as South Korea, the UK, Mexico, Taiwan, Australia, Israel and Colombia use them as well. Granted some nations received a limited number and never did much with them, preferring designs with a more solid reputation. Leftover M60s from the Vietnam war are still used by a number of countries in Asia including Vietnam itself. There aren't too many license-built copes but the ones made by Saco and US Ordinance number in around a million with more still in production today. It is little surprise that they still pop up in use by various nations, show up in small conflicts and even see use in the hands of the occasional terrorist group.
Oh, nice. I wanted an article on this. Good job.
nice
do the deagle pls best pistol ever
Now we be getting 5 dumbs
[QUOTE=Leon;16719544]Now we be getting 5 dumbs[/QUOTE]
:iiam:
Nice M60 article.
"turning the machine gun into a 20-pound belt-fed bolt-action rifle."
I lol'd.
That was a good article.
The moar you know.
[editline]12:24PM[/editline]
Someone is using that scripting exploit on the ratings.
I like how whenever something happens in GD, we all flee in here to tell each other about it.
[QUOTE=thirty9th;16719682]I like how whenever something happens in GD, we all flee in here to tell each other about it.[/QUOTE]
It's a safe place. We have guns and stuff.
I got a dumb rating the nanosecond I posted. That was quick.
I'd like to see more revolvers on this. Or handguns in general. Maybe something that's not military? Browning Buckmark, perhaps?
[editline]08:46PM[/editline]
Well, what do you know. Dumb ratings.
I already suggested the 686 :(
do a mondragon homie
[QUOTE=shibbypwwalkk;16719539]do the deagle pls best pistol ever[/QUOTE]
go to the weoboo weaponery
[QUOTE=Thomas849;16728934]I'd like to see more revolvers on this. Or handguns in general. Maybe something that's not military? Browning Buckmark, perhaps?
[editline]08:46PM[/editline]
Well, what do you know. Dumb ratings.[/QUOTE]
I want to do something in regards to all the Smith and Wesson revolvers but there are so many. There are several different frame sizes each of which can accommodate a variety of calibers, then one frame and caliber can have different barrel lengths, grips, metal finish, etc. and each variant has its own number. It is mind boggling. I get confused enough with Asian designations (such as type 38, type 44, etc.) but the way Smith and Wesson numbers all of their variants is a total headfuck which makes writing about any of their products difficult.
There is a system where the first digit is the frame, the second is the caliber, the third and fourth are something else (or in general something like that) but I still struggle to wrap my head around it.
So, could you post a summary of guns mechanism? Here is a small listy list:
Breech mechanism (rifles and shotties)
Pump action shotguns
Bolt action rifles
Revolvers
Pistols and Rifles (semi and auto)
Sub Machineguns with 3 firing modes
Gatling gun
Granada Launcher
That's all yo
[editline]09:21PM[/editline]
I forgot Supressors
That would be a cool technical adding to your library :eng101:
Btw, what is the most awesome and strange design you saw in a gun?
[QUOTE=Joxalot;16743727]So, could you post a summary of guns mechanism? Here is a small listy list:
Breech mechanism (rifles and shotties)
Pump action shotguns
Bolt action rifles
Revolvers
Pistols and Rifles (semi and auto)
Sub Machineguns with 3 firing modes
Gatling gun
Granada Launcher
That's all yo
[editline]09:21PM[/editline]
I forgot Supressors
That would be a cool technical adding to your library :eng101:
Btw, what is the most awesome and strange design you saw in a gun?[/QUOTE]
Well, more then one system.
For Pistols, blowback and recoil operation. That's about it.
For rifles, you have delayed blowback, long-stroke gas system, or short stroke gas sytem. You also have tilting or rotating bolts.
Snipers and older rifles are usually rotating bolt action or straight-pull bolt actions, ala K31. There's also lever actions and pump actions, for shotguns and older rifles.
[QUOTE=Joxalot;16743727]So, could you post a summary of guns mechanism? Here is a small listy list:
Breech mechanism (rifles and shotties)
Pump action shotguns
Bolt action rifles
Revolvers
Pistols and Rifles (semi and auto)
Sub Machineguns with 3 firing modes
Gatling gun
Granada Launcher
That's all yo
[editline]09:21PM[/editline]
I forgot Supressors
That would be a cool technical adding to your library :eng101:
Btw, what is the most awesome and strange design you saw in a gun?[/QUOTE]
I could do it as a special edition.
Also the weirdest action I have ever seen is the French MGD / ERMA PM-9 "flywheel".
It just looks so silly.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm-pat.jpg[/img]
[editline]09:19PM[/editline]
93)PPS-43
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/pps-43-1.jpg[/img]
While the PPSh-41 had many advantages over many SMGs of its time and indeed remains a very unique weapon today it was not totally perfect for the role of the SMG. While it had a colossal rate of fire and the magazine capacity to feed that thirst it was also very bulky. That rate of fire, while grizzly and intimidating had its disadvantages too. Ultimately the red army wised up and saw the need for a lighter, simpler, cheaper subgun with a lower rate of fire that they could give to their tank crews which at the time only carried Tokarevs since the PPSh is simply too bulky to be useful in such tight quarters.
The result of this request was the PPS-42 designed by Sudaev.
It incorporated simpler metal stamping than the PPSh-41, meaning it was simpler to make. At the same time it was designed to use 35 round curved box magazines similar to those used by the PPSh although they are actually not interchangeable. The PPS-43 has no drum magazines available since it simply doesn't need them. It was designed to be used as a lighter alternative. The fact that it has a folding stock and a pistol grip rather than the PPSh-41's carbine-type wooden stock really helped. In spite of being simpler to mass-produce it also featured a chrome-lined barrel designed to withstand as many as 20,000 rounds which is an awesome feat considering that the ammunition in service was highly corrosive in nature. The rate of fire is also reduced to a more manageable 600 rpm so the 35 isn't dumped in a quick tap of the trigger.
Some would say that this is a modernization, an improvement over the PPSh. An evolution into a more modern and conservative submachinegun. Others say it sacrificed the very things that made the PPSh so great. It was designed just in time to see fighting in the Seige of Leningrad although only 50,000 or so were made before 1943 when it was modernized and tweaked resulting in the PPS-43. This weapon served alongside the PPSh-41 through the end of the war with production eventually halting in 1946. By that time 2 million were made.
These subguns ended up being largely replaced with the AK-47 much the same way that the PPSh was. Some were tossed into arsenals, relegated to police service and others were handed out to Russia's allies. There were many variants as well. China made a copy called the Type 54, Poland started making their own in 1958. Finland made a 9x19mm copy called the M44 which used Karl Gustav mags and Suomi M/31 drums. This gun was licensed in Spain and these Spanish copies of a Finnish copy of a Russian gun ended up of all places in the hands of West German border patrol units.
While many people claim that it was the best submachine gun of WW2 there is still some debate. It isn't as well made as the Thompson and not as devastating as the PPSh but considering how simple it is to produce it is an example of a gun that is made cheaply but its performance on the battlefield does not reflect its otherwise humble nature. It is in the end a highly effective weapon. Although it's heyday was somewhat brief.
After WW2 the role of subguns in warfare largely diminished to that of a rear-echelon weapon, something that while more suited than its predecessor the PPS-43 isn't perfect for. Given this role it isn't as good as more modern designs such as the UZI or MP5 series but what is surprising is that it can hold its own. This is one reason why although it isn't in very vast production nowadays it does pop up here and there.
In regards to my planned Amazing Aeroplanes thread, I'm still tossing up whether or not I should do it. If I do, it won't be a for a few weeks because my aircraft encyclopedia is at the bottom of a taped up box, I won't be able to get at it until we move.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16747021]I could do it as a special edition.
Also the weirdest action I have ever seen is the French MGD / ERMA PM-9 "flywheel".
It just looks so silly.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm-pat.jpg[/img]
[editline]09:19PM[/editline]
93)PPS-43
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/pps-43-1.jpg[/img]
While the PPSh-41 had many advantages over many SMGs of its time and indeed remains a very unique weapon today it was not totally perfect for the role of the SMG. While it had a colossal rate of fire and the magazine capacity to feed that thirst it was also very bulky. That rate of fire, while grizzly and intimidating had its disadvantages too. Ultimately the red army wised up and saw the need for a lighter, simpler, cheaper subgun with a lower rate of fire that they could give to their tank crews which at the time only carried Tokarevs since the PPSh is simply too bulky to be useful in such tight quarters.
The result of this request was the PPS-42 designed by Sudaev.
It incorporated simpler metal stamping than the PPSh-41, meaning it was simpler to make. At the same time it was designed to use 35 round curved box magazines similar to those used by the PPSh although they are actually not interchangeable. The PPS-43 has no drum magazines available since it simply doesn't need them. It was designed to be used as a lighter alternative. The fact that it has a folding stock and a pistol grip rather than the PPSh-41's carbine-type wooden stock really helped. In spite of being simpler to mass-produce it also featured a chrome-lined barrel designed to withstand as many as 20,000 rounds which is an awesome feat considering that the ammunition in service was highly corrosive in nature. The rate of fire is also reduced to a more manageable 600 rpm so the 35 isn't dumped in a quick tap of the trigger.
Some would say that this is a modernization, an improvement over the PPSh. An evolution into a more modern and conservative submachinegun. Others say it sacrificed the very things that made the PPSh so great. It was designed just in time to see fighting in the Seige of Leningrad although only 50,000 or so were made before 1943 when it was modernized and tweaked resulting in the PPS-43. This weapon served alongside the PPSh-41 through the end of the war with production eventually halting in 1946. By that time 2 million were made.
These subguns ended up being largely replaced with the AK-47 much the same way that the PPSh was. Some were tossed into arsenals, relegated to police service and others were handed out to Russia's allies. There were many variants as well. China made a copy called the Type 54, Poland started making their own in 1958. Finland made a 9x19mm copy called the M44 which used Karl Gustav mags and Suomi M/31 drums. This gun was licensed in Spain and these Spanish copies of a Finnish copy of a Russian gun ended up of all places in the hands of West German border patrol units.
While many people claim that it was the best submachine gun of WW2 there is still some debate. It isn't as well made as the Thompson and not as devastating as the PPSh but considering how simple it is to produce it is an example of a gun that is made cheaply but its performance on the battlefield does not reflect its otherwise humble nature. It is in the end a highly effective weapon. Although it's heyday was somewhat brief.
After WW2 the role of subguns in warfare largely diminished to that of a rear-echelon weapon, something that while more suited than its predecessor the PPS-43 isn't perfect for. Given this role it isn't as good as more modern designs such as the UZI or MP5 series but what is surprising is that it can hold its own. This is one reason why although it isn't in very vast production nowadays it does pop up here and there.[/QUOTE]
Isnt that a relative or something ;ike that to the Russian Assault weapon PPSH-41 or something like that. the one in CoD: W@W
[QUOTE=30Spartan300;16753736]Isnt that a relative or something ;ike that to the Russian Assault weapon PPSH-41 or something like that. the one in CoD: W@W[/QUOTE]
It's in every WW2 Call of Duty game (the weapon you are talking about). Also, it's been done earlier in this thread, and it's the PPSH-41.
Nice to finally read about the PPS-43. I think it's a bit overlooked compared to other WWII era subguns, and you rarely see it in anything; movies or games.
Gewehr 43 would be a nice one to see. It was a massive improvement over the G41. Saw quite alot of late war action. While it may not have been as effective as the SVT and other designs I don't think there was anything wrong with it.
THe PPS-43 was in CoD2. It was pretty neat.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16747021]I could do it as a special edition.
Also the weirdest action I have ever seen is the French MGD / ERMA PM-9 "flywheel".
It just looks so silly.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm-pat.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
I lol'd
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