[QUOTE=Darkhorse01;16755011]Gewehr 43 would be a nice one to see. It was a massive improvement over the G41. Saw quite alot of late war action. While it may not have been as effective as the SVT and other designs I don't think there was anything wrong with it.[/QUOTE]
If it was an SVT-40 with a rotating bolt, that's instawin. It'd mean the "sniper" variants could actually hit instead of having vertical stringing all over the place.
.308 Garand that could take M14 mags would also be win.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;16764100]If it was an SVT-40 with a rotating bolt, that's instawin. It'd mean the "sniper" variants could actually hit instead of having vertical stringing all over the place.
.308 Garand that could take M14 mags would also be win.[/QUOTE]
didn't you just describe an M14
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;16764100]If it was an SVT-40 with a rotating bolt, that's instawin. It'd mean the "sniper" variants could actually hit instead of having vertical stringing all over the place.
.308 Garand that could take M14 mags would also be win.[/QUOTE]
A .308 Garand that can take M14 mags is an M14.
Hince M14 is win.
[QUOTE=wystan;16765683]Hince M14 is win.[/QUOTE]
They're not very reliable. But yeah, they win.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16765716]They're not very reliable. But yeah, they win.[/QUOTE]
What? Unless you're planning on buying a Norinco, M14s are very reliable.
94)G-43
[img]http://world.guns.ru/rifle/kar43.jpg[/img]
While the Americans are the most well-known for carrying semi-automatic battle rifles into WW2 they were not alone. While Russian troops are known for using the SVT-40 it turns out that the Germans, too had an interest in the virtues of the autoloader. Granted they were quite apathetic about it.
The high command was really not all that interested in semi-automatics since the primary firepower of any given squad came from the MG team. What the other squad members carried was a secondary concern and truth be told the Mauser 98 was an excellent weapon. Nevertheless the advantages of a semi-automatic were obvious and some resources were invested in the development of such a weapon. It was supposed to be a semi-automatic rifle that fired 8mm Mauser from a removable magazine but it was also to incorporate no moving parts on the exterior, the barrel couldn't be tapped to vent gas backwards and it had to function as a bolt-action in case of an emergency.
The result was the G41.
It used what is called the "bang" system that has a cone on the muzzle of the gun which catches the gas thus pulling a thin rod which works the action. That was done because the barrel couldn't be tapped to vent gas backwards like a normal piston. This solution, while it helped accuracy somewhat was an example of complete buffoonery. But Mauser and Walther couldn't change the requirements they were presented and this highly expensive, complex and needlessly fragile design was mass-produced for about a year. Walther's variant was significantly better but it was still a trainwreck of a weapon.
Then Operation Barbarossa came, Invading German forces were surprised to find the SVT-40 was in widespread use by Russian forces to compliment their bolt-action Nagant rifles. It was only when compared to this rather decent firearm when the German forces realized how much the G-41 sucked. The answer to these woes came from Walther which took the G-41, gave it the SVT's gas system and called it the G-43.
In all this gun represented a vast improvement over the 41 because it actually worked. Although it was introduced late in the war and was never meant to completely replace the Kar 98k due to a somewhat higher production cost (granted it was leagues cheaper than the 41) a substantial amount of these rifles were made. In fact almost half a million were manufactured and used by war's end. Some were even sniper variants, meant to be used at closer ranges than the Mauser 98 sniper variants. In fact almost ideal for city fighting. But this is something that movies and games like to get wrong. While quite a few were issued with scopes that only represents about 50,000 guns out of 400,000+. Contrary to popular belief not ALL G-43s were used by snipers. In fact they were more popular with regular infantrymen.
Another cause for confusion is that in 1944 the G-43 was redesignated as the K-43 or "carbine". The K-43 has no visual or mechanical difference from the G. It is just in the stamping. The G and K are the exact same weapon.
After the war G and K-43 rifles ended up largely in Soviet and East German armories collecting dust. Many were destroyed since they no longer served a purpose and the ammunition they fired was now essentially obsolete. A handful did make it to civilian markets and largely remain legal to own around the world due to their less-than intimidating appearance. However they remain largely collector's items, often being auctioned for thousands of dollars.
95.) [b]VSS Vintorez[/b]
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4475/vsssniperrifleright.jpg[/img]
A Russian suppressed sniper rifle developed in the late 1980s and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase. The overall operating principle and sound suppression system used on the VSS are derived from the AS assault rifle. The VSS is a gas-operated select-fire rifle. It has a long-stroke gas piston operating rod in a gas cylinder above the barrel. The weapon is locked with a rotating bolt that has 6 locking lugs which engage appropriate sockets machined into the receiver. The VSS is striker fired. It features a cross-bolt type fire selector switch located behind the trigger, inside the trigger guard; the safety lever and the charging handle resemble those used in AK-pattern weapons. The weapon has an integral suppressor which wraps around the barrel. The barrel itself has a series of small ports drilled in the rifling grooves, leading into the silencer which slows and cools the exhaust gases. The suppressor can be easily removed for storage or maintenance, but the VSS should not be fired without the suppresor. A side rail is provided, installed on the receiver and used to mount the PSO-1-1 (1P43) telescopic sight. The weapon can also be deployed for night-time use with the 3.46x NSPU-3 (1PN75) night sight using an appropriate mount. Back-up iron sights consist of a rear notch on a sliding tangent and forward blade. The rear sight has range graduations up to 400 meters, with 100 m adjustments. The VSS is normally fed from a 10-round magazine and fired semi-automatically. Should the operational need arise, the weapon can be used in fully automatic mode using 20-round magazines from the AS rifle. The skeletonized wooden stock is a more rounded version of that provided on the SVD rifle; it has a rubber shoulder pad and can be removed when the rifle is dismantled for compact storage. The forward handguard is made from a high-impact polymer. For carriage and concealment the rifle is dismantled into three main components carried in a special briefcase measuring 450 x 370 x 140 mm (17.7 x 14.5 x 5.5 in). The briefcase also has space for a PSO-1-1 scope, a NSPU-3 night sight and two magazines. It uses a heavy subsonic 9x39mm SP-5 cartridge. The bullet is very effective at penetrating body armor. For this purpose it is equipped with a hardened steel or tungsten tip to penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) high-density steel plate at 100 m; a 2 mm (0.08 in) steel plate or a standard army helmet can be fully penetrated at 500 m. The cartridge is effective out to 400 m. The VSS forms part of the VSK silenced sniper system. With the system, the rifle can be coupled to the PKS-07 collimated telescopic sight or the PKN-03 night sight. When the rifle forms part of the VSK system the range of ammunition can be extended to include the SP-6 and PAB-9 cartridges.
[QUOTE=Hostel;16770117]95.) [b]VSS Vintorez[/b]
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4475/vsssniperrifleright.jpg[/img]
A Russian suppressed sniper rifle developed in the late 1980s and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase. The overall operating principle and sound suppression system used on the VSS are derived from the AS assault rifle. The VSS is a gas-operated select-fire rifle. It has a long-stroke gas piston operating rod in a gas cylinder above the barrel. The weapon is locked with a rotating bolt that has 6 locking lugs which engage appropriate sockets machined into the receiver. The VSS is striker fired. It features a cross-bolt type fire selector switch located behind the trigger, inside the trigger guard; the safety lever and the charging handle resemble those used in AK-pattern weapons. The weapon has an integral suppressor which wraps around the barrel. The barrel itself has a series of small ports drilled in the rifling grooves, leading into the silencer which slows and cools the exhaust gases. The suppressor can be easily removed for storage or maintenance, but the VSS should not be fired without the suppresor. A side rail is provided, installed on the receiver and used to mount the PSO-1-1 (1P43) telescopic sight. The weapon can also be deployed for night-time use with the 3.46x NSPU-3 (1PN75) night sight using an appropriate mount. Back-up iron sights consist of a rear notch on a sliding tangent and forward blade. The rear sight has range graduations up to 400 meters, with 100 m adjustments. The VSS is normally fed from a 10-round magazine and fired semi-automatically. Should the operational need arise, the weapon can be used in fully automatic mode using 20-round magazines from the AS rifle. The skeletonized wooden stock is a more rounded version of that provided on the SVD rifle; it has a rubber shoulder pad and can be removed when the rifle is dismantled for compact storage. The forward handguard is made from a high-impact polymer. For carriage and concealment the rifle is dismantled into three main components carried in a special briefcase measuring 450 x 370 x 140 mm (17.7 x 14.5 x 5.5 in). The briefcase also has space for a PSO-1-1 scope, a NSPU-3 night sight and two magazines. It uses a heavy subsonic 9x39mm SP-5 cartridge. The bullet is very effective at penetrating body armor. For this purpose it is equipped with a hardened steel or tungsten tip to penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) high-density steel plate at 100 m; a 2 mm (0.08 in) steel plate or a standard army helmet can be fully penetrated at 500 m. The cartridge is effective out to 400 m. The VSS forms part of the VSK silenced sniper system. With the system, the rifle can be coupled to the PKS-07 collimated telescopic sight or the PKN-03 night sight. When the rifle forms part of the VSK system the range of ammunition can be extended to include the SP-6 and PAB-9 cartridges.[/QUOTE]
Fucking weaboo weapon.
The M14 has a short-stroke system, Garand has a long-stroke system. So M14 + long stroke gas system= win.
[QUOTE=Hostel;16770117]95.) [b]VSS Vintorez[/b]
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4475/vsssniperrifleright.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
u 2 stupid 2 write articles go away pls
Way to pull info off Wikipedia.
[QUOTE=Hostel;16770117]95.) [b]VSS Vintorez[/b]
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4475/vsssniperrifleright.jpg[/img]
A Russian suppressed sniper rifle developed in the late 1980s and manufactured by the Tula Arsenal. It is issued primarily to Spetsnaz units for undercover or clandestine operations, a role made evident by its ability to be stripped down for transport in a specially fitted briefcase. The overall operating principle and sound suppression system used on the VSS are derived from the AS assault rifle. The VSS is a gas-operated select-fire rifle. It has a long-stroke gas piston operating rod in a gas cylinder above the barrel. The weapon is locked with a rotating bolt that has 6 locking lugs which engage appropriate sockets machined into the receiver. The VSS is striker fired. It features a cross-bolt type fire selector switch located behind the trigger, inside the trigger guard; the safety lever and the charging handle resemble those used in AK-pattern weapons. The weapon has an integral suppressor which wraps around the barrel. The barrel itself has a series of small ports drilled in the rifling grooves, leading into the silencer which slows and cools the exhaust gases. The suppressor can be easily removed for storage or maintenance, but the VSS should not be fired without the suppresor. A side rail is provided, installed on the receiver and used to mount the PSO-1-1 (1P43) telescopic sight. The weapon can also be deployed for night-time use with the 3.46x NSPU-3 (1PN75) night sight using an appropriate mount. Back-up iron sights consist of a rear notch on a sliding tangent and forward blade. The rear sight has range graduations up to 400 meters, with 100 m adjustments. The VSS is normally fed from a 10-round magazine and fired semi-automatically. Should the operational need arise, the weapon can be used in fully automatic mode using 20-round magazines from the AS rifle. The skeletonized wooden stock is a more rounded version of that provided on the SVD rifle; it has a rubber shoulder pad and can be removed when the rifle is dismantled for compact storage. The forward handguard is made from a high-impact polymer. For carriage and concealment the rifle is dismantled into three main components carried in a special briefcase measuring 450 x 370 x 140 mm (17.7 x 14.5 x 5.5 in). The briefcase also has space for a PSO-1-1 scope, a NSPU-3 night sight and two magazines. It uses a heavy subsonic 9x39mm SP-5 cartridge. The bullet is very effective at penetrating body armor. For this purpose it is equipped with a hardened steel or tungsten tip to penetrate a 6 mm (0.2 in) high-density steel plate at 100 m; a 2 mm (0.08 in) steel plate or a standard army helmet can be fully penetrated at 500 m. The cartridge is effective out to 400 m. The VSS forms part of the VSK silenced sniper system. With the system, the rifle can be coupled to the PKS-07 collimated telescopic sight or the PKN-03 night sight. When the rifle forms part of the VSK system the range of ammunition can be extended to include the SP-6 and PAB-9 cartridges.[/QUOTE]
Not only did you attempt an article on a weapon that was actually in Weaboo Weaponry, but you failed to make a single arguement as to why you think it's "fantastic".
You know funnily enough, the G41 is more desirable than the G43 in Red Orchestra.
Methinks because it sounds better and looks nicer. :v:
[QUOTE=1239the;16770732]Not only did you attempt an article on a weapon that was actually in Weaboo Weaponry, but you failed to make a single arguement as to why you think it's "fantastic".[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that it was in Weeaboo Weaponry?? I Just thought that Bean-O skipped it because it was too specialized, and only used by special forces.
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[QUOTE=angelangel;16771026]You know funnily enough, the G41 is more desirable than the G43 in Red Orchestra.
Methinks because it sounds better and looks nicer. :v:[/QUOTE]
And the reaload animation is cooler.
[QUOTE=Hostel;16770117]The overall operating principle and sound suppression system used on the VSS are derived from the AS assault rifle. [/QUOTE]
BZZT. Wrong. The AS came AFTER the VSS (at least I'm pretty fucking sure it did).
If we ignore Hostel he might go away?
[QUOTE=Bonde;16772137]Are you sure that it was in Weeaboo Weaponry?? I Just thought that Bean-O skipped it because it was too specialized, and only used by special forces.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Bean-O]61)VSS Vintorez.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/sniper/vss1.jpg[/img]
There seem to be a lot of people (at least on the internet) that think the VSS is the single best sniper rifle evar. I mean it's silenced. How awesome is that? It also had to have a round specially made for it. That must be badass. To be fair the VSS isn't a bad weapon system but you have to consider what a typical sniper rifle is for and what this one was designed for. It has a very specific role in modern combat. Your average sniper rifle will be either a bolt gun or a semi-automatic with a pretty long barrel chambered in something like 7.62x51 NATO or bigger. It's meant to really reach out and touch someone although it's user's primary task is reconnaissance. There's still a pretty nifty rifle attached to the sniper's scope. In my opinion it's really not a sniper rifle unless it can peg a human-sized target at 600-700 yards minimum, many can retain their accuracy out to and beyond a kilometer.
So a "sniper rifle" in the traditional sense has a lot of reach.
But let's consider the VSS and it's 9x39 round. It basically fires an AK-47 bullet necked up to 9mm. The 7.62x39 has a pretty short effective range as it is. Most guns chambered in it can hardly hit a man sized target out to 300 yards, at 600 or so yards the bullet just plops into the dirt because it's heavy and it's muzzle velocity is just too slow to keep it going. So although it's a good assault rifle round (since most firefights break out at a stone's throw distance from your target) but certainly not sniper material. So it's a heavy, slow bullet with a very limited range, what if we made it heavier and gave it a subsonic muzzle velocity? Well predictably it has even less range. Even though the VSS is as accurate as you can make that kind of rifle it can only hit a man sized target at about 200-300 yards. It's deadly accurate within that range but anything further away is totally unreachable.
Well that sounds stupid right? What kind of "sniper rifle" is limited to 200 yards? Why would they chamber it in such an idiotic round? Well they're not stupid. The reasoning is that the heavier round packs even more punch than an AK, can still be deadly accurate at a certain range, the bullet doesn't ricochet so collateral damage is less likely, can pierce just about any body armor within that range and since it's subsonic you can silence it. A VSS does have a purpose and that's street-to-street urban fighting. It's particularly useful in the hands of a marksman during a hostage situation where you have to put a bullet in just the right spot, be sure that bullet kills and that no one else is hurt by it. Now this sounds like all sorts of awesome doesn't it?
But the fact remains that it's just not a sniper rifle in the traditional sense. It's more of a marksman's weapon. In fact it even has a fire selector. And really, even then the incredibly short range makes me question the usefulness of that too. Sure it's silenced but is that really worth having to get 800 yards closer to your target for? In a way it's half sniper rifle half assault rifle. There's even a pure assault rifle version called the AS VAL and a totally different rifle called the "Groza" that fires the same round. It's perhaps best described by it's name since VSS stands for "Rifle Sniper Special(purpose)".[/quote]
Yeah.
[QUOTE=Bonde;16772137]Are you sure that it was in Weeaboo Weaponry?? I Just thought that Bean-O skipped it because it was too specialized, and only used by special forces.
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And the reaload animation is cooler.[/QUOTE]
mhmm stripper clips. :q:
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16747021]I could do it as a special edition.
Also the weirdest action I have ever seen is the French MGD / ERMA PM-9 "flywheel".
It just looks so silly.
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/mgd-pm-pat.jpg[/img]
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[/QUOTE]
The flywheel design was supposed to be the one of most compact SMG designs. Sadly it was too complicated to sell well.
[QUOTE=angelangel;16771026]You know funnily enough, the G41 is more desirable than the G43 in Red Orchestra.
Methinks because it sounds better and looks nicer. :v:[/QUOTE]
G43 takes less time to reload though. I guess it doesn't matter if you're too crap to empty the mag before you die :v:
[QUOTE=1239the;16770732]Not only did you attempt an article on a weapon that was actually in Weaboo Weaponry, but you failed to make a single arguement as to why you think it's "fantastic".[/QUOTE]
It's a niche weapon, not a piece of shit.
It's pretty much the greatest thing ever made for that one small niche.
They also have developed some alternative uses:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2MEN-C31U&feature=related[/media]
Ugh the VSS is a designated marksman rifle, not a sniper.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16769758]94)G-43
[img]http://world.guns.ru/rifle/kar43.jpg[/img]
While the Americans are the most well-known for carrying semi-automatic battle rifles into WW2 they were not alone. While Russian troops are known for using the SVT-40 it turns out that the Germans, too had an interest in the virtues of the autoloader. Granted they were quite apathetic about it.
The high command was really not all that interested in semi-automatics since the primary firepower of any given squad came from the MG team. What the other squad members carried was a secondary concern and truth be told the Mauser 98 was an excellent weapon. Nevertheless the advantages of a semi-automatic were obvious and some resources were invested in the development of such a weapon. It was supposed to be a semi-automatic rifle that fired 8mm Mauser from a removable magazine but it was also to incorporate no moving parts on the exterior, the barrel couldn't be tapped to vent gas backwards and it had to function as a bolt-action in case of an emergency.
The result was the G41.
It used what is called the "bang" system that has a cone on the muzzle of the gun which catches the gas thus pulling a thin rod which works the action. That was done because the barrel couldn't be tapped to vent gas backwards like a normal piston. This solution, while it helped accuracy somewhat was an example of complete buffoonery. But Mauser and Walther couldn't change the requirements they were presented and this highly expensive, complex and needlessly fragile design was mass-produced for about a year. Walther's variant was significantly better but it was still a trainwreck of a weapon.
Then Operation Barbarossa came, Invading German forces were surprised to find the SVT-40 was in widespread use by Russian forces to compliment their bolt-action Nagant rifles. It was only when compared to this rather decent firearm when the German forces realized how much the G-41 sucked. The answer to these woes came from Walther which took the G-41, gave it the SVT's gas system and called it the G-43.
In all this gun represented a vast improvement over the 41 because it actually worked. Although it was introduced late in the war and was never meant to completely replace the Kar 98k due to a somewhat higher production cost (granted it was leagues cheaper than the 41) a substantial amount of these rifles were made. In fact almost half a million were manufactured and used by war's end. Some were even sniper variants, meant to be used at closer ranges than the Mauser 98 sniper variants. In fact almost ideal for city fighting. But this is something that movies and games like to get wrong. While quite a few were issued with scopes that only represents about 50,000 guns out of 400,000+. Contrary to popular belief not ALL G-43s were used by snipers. In fact they were more popular with regular infantrymen.
Another cause for confusion is that in 1944 the G-43 was redesignated as the K-43 or "carbine". The K-43 has no visual or mechanical difference from the G. It is just in the stamping. The G and K are the exact same weapon.
After the war G and K-43 rifles ended up largely in Soviet and East German armories collecting dust. Many were destroyed since they no longer served a purpose and the ammunition they fired was now essentially obsolete. A handful did make it to civilian markets and largely remain legal to own around the world due to their less-than intimidating appearance. However they remain largely collector's items, often being auctioned for thousands of dollars.[/QUOTE]
eh, the G43 and K43 aren't necessarily EXACTLY the same
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[QUOTE=1239the;16770732]Not only did you attempt an article on a weapon that was actually in Weaboo Weaponry, but you failed to make a single arguement as to why you think it's "fantastic".[/QUOTE]
christ you dorkos give it a rest it's just a gun article
from what I have read the VSS is apparently fairly popular in the Russian special forces
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16782237]eh, the G43 and K43 aren't necessarily EXACTLY the same[/QUOTE]
How do they differ then?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;16782237]from what I have read the VSS is apparently fairly popular in the Russian special forces[/QUOTE]
Yes it is, but that is specialized service rather than a standard issue rifle in military service. That is a mistake which is occasionally made. It is almost exclusively a special service weapon that is almost never used by the general armed forces. They also constantly forget just how limited the effective range is. There are submachineguns that can reach out to greater distances. It doesn't make the rifle suck, it limits it to the specialized circumstances under which it is meant to be used.
[QUOTE=professional;16767943]What? Unless you're planning on buying a Norinco, M14s are very reliable.[/QUOTE]
Norincos are actually just as good, if not better than Springfield Armory guns.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16782757]Norincos are actually just as good, if not better than Springfield Armory guns.[/QUOTE]
I find that hard to buy. But who knows? There are a whole ton of firearm snobs that think that anything other than a 100,000$ M1a carved out of a block of solid gold by god himself that gets .0000000000001 MOA may as well have been made by a blind man out of lead pipes in Kyber Pass. And since no chinese-made firearms are available in the states I will likely never know for sure.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;16745697]Well, more then one system.
For Pistols, blowback and recoil operation. That's about it.
For rifles, you have delayed blowback, long-stroke gas system, or short stroke gas sytem. You also have tilting or rotating bolts.
Snipers and older rifles are usually rotating bolt action or straight-pull bolt actions, ala K31. There's also lever actions and pump actions, for shotguns and older rifles.[/QUOTE]
To be honest I know nothing about guns, never touched a real one, ever :ninja: (but I always wanted to, but in my country, shooting fields are almost impossible to locate), I just found how they work so interesting; I have been reading some articles by Bean-O in here, but I wanted to know the basics; that's why I made that list
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;16782757]Norincos are actually just as good, if not better than Springfield Armory guns.[/QUOTE]
I find it hard to believe that a $1700 difference doesn't really mean much more than a brand name. Maybe if I heard more people than just you saying that.
[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16782972]I find it hard to believe that a $1700 difference doesn't really mean much more than a brand name. Maybe if I heard more people than just you saying that.[/QUOTE]
Norinco still imports a bunch of guns to Canada and there are a bunch of Canadian gun owners who have them. I'm not entirely sure what they think about the Chinese clones though.
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