So wait, I've only heard one person's opinion on the Colt 635. Should I keep it or chuck it?
Would the Colt Commando be a better idea?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16863507]So wait, I've only heard one person's opinion on the Colt 635. Should I keep it or chuck it?[/QUOTE]
Keep it.
Keep it.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16863507]So wait, I've only heard one person's opinion on the Colt 635. Should I keep it or chuck it?[/QUOTE]
Keep it.
The only thing you need to make an exception on is the fact that Colt isn't the only company making stuff like this and they're far from the best.
Even if they did originate it. I just get tired of brand miopia. I don't even own 2 guns of the same brand :\.
99)HK33
[img]http://world.guns.ru/assault/HK33.JPG[/img]
The origins of the HK33 are the same as the origins of the MP5. In the 1960s H&K took their G3 and experimented with cambering it in various calibers. They made one in 7.62x39mm, one in 9x19mm and one in 5.56mm which is the subject of this article.
The result was a highly accurate if somewhat expensive 5.56 assault rifle. It is much lighter than the G3 series and was marketed as an alternative to other 5.56mm assault rifles such as the M16 series in tandem with a carbine variant known as the HK53. Both were offered with either solid or retractable stocks. A marksman variant called the HK33SG/1 was also offered, as was the HK13 which was an LMG variant that could take a 100 round drum. The rest of the HK33 variants took either 25, 30 or 40 round proprietary magazines. A civilian version was also made, it was marketed in the states as the HK93 alongside the civilian G3 known as the HK91.
As was standard fare at the time, H&K allowed clients to license-build them around the world. In the US H&R made a copy called the T223 which was used by US Navy SEALs in small numbers towards the end of the Vietnam war. A civilian HK33 was also made in the states by Vector Arms although it and the HK93 struggled to compete with the AR-15 and its various copies which the American customers are more familiar with. When it was first offered client states such as Thailand and Malaysia were quick to buy up production rights, the HK33 series served both countries for many years. Other countries such as Turkey and France license built them as well.
Most of the users however simply bought them. They are mostly used as specialized weapons in limited numbers and are particularly popular with various law enforcement agencies although military usage is by no means scarce. It is highly popular in South America partially due to the success of the G3 series there. Chile, Peru, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, El Salvador and Ecuador all used a few at some point.
Today it is simply not as popular as it once was. Thailand and Malaysia have since adopted different designs and production there ceased. In France it only served alongside the SIG 540 as a holdover for the FAMAS and therefore MAS doesn't make it anymore either. Even H&K has stopped producing and marketing the HK33 series. However it is still in production in a couple of places and thousands of HK33s and variants were handed down to various law enforcement agencies around the world.
I thought that 5.56 was a bit on the small side for a marksmans rifle?
It's probably a pretty good weapon, and great if the G3 and MP5 are in service within the same country as well. How much more expensive is it compared to the AR-15?
Turkey still make them, production hasn't ceased.
The 33 is popular with the SAS and I've seen the British Police carry them.
Police officers in the UK are generally unarmed but those that are are pretty much armed to the teeth. I'm sure only 9% of British police officers are armed. I have seen G36's, HK33's, MP5's and some model of Glock Pistol carried by policemen here.
Also, how does the UZI work exactly...
ithaca 37 amirite
Anyone know if there are some accessible firing ranges/clubs in the area of New York City? I've wanted to get into recreational shooting for some time, but I haven't really looked into the specifics (for example, legal issues and such). Anyway, what would be a good way to get started?
[QUOTE=Bonde;16874432]I thought that 5.56 was a bit on the small side for a marksmans rifle?
It's probably a pretty good weapon, and great if the G3 and MP5 are in service within the same country as well. How much more expensive is it compared to the AR-15?[/QUOTE]
I don't quite understand your logic on that.
Pretty sure most marksman rifles issued for US troops are just SPR versions of the same basic AR15.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;16877844]I don't quite understand your logic on that.
Pretty sure most marksman rifles issued for US troops are just SPR versions of the same basic AR15.[/QUOTE]
I think they're actually M14s, or M21s. 5.56 has range, but not enough punch to be an effective sniper caliber.
[QUOTE=massn7;16878306]I think they're actually M14s, or M21s. 5.56 has range, but not enough punch to be an effective sniper caliber.[/QUOTE]
That's why they call it a "Marksman" rifle. It is a notch below a "sniper" rifle since the range is limited to 500 yards or less due to the limitations of the 5.56 round.
[QUOTE=Darkhorse01;16874949]The 33 is popular with the SAS and I've seen the British Police carry them.
Police officers in the UK are generally unarmed but those that are are pretty much armed to the teeth. I'm sure only 9% of British police officers are armed. I have seen G36's, HK33's, MP5's and some model of Glock Pistol carried by policemen here.[/QUOTE]
You mean the HK53, the SAS use(d) that, not the 33. Also while it's true the firearms officers in the UK use an array of weapons, pretty much all of them are modified to be semi-auto only. Reason being that due to gun laws the police aren't likely to run into much more than a hunting rifle or sawn off. But they keep orginal full auto versions around aswell, just in case.
The MoD police use full auto MP7s all the time though.
Yes, your right. I think CO19 are probably the most likely to be fully auto armed. I thought MoD Police would use the L85 like the rest of the Military Police if armed at all. Or are they separate?
Do an article on "The Raging Bull". It's nothing particularly special or ground breaking but it does hold quite the status appeal. I've fired one before in .480 Ruger, the thing is a BEAST!
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16880728]Do an article on "The Raging Bull". It's nothing particularly special or ground breaking but it does hold quite the status appeal. I've fired one before in .480 Ruger, the thing is a BEAST![/QUOTE]
Wasn't that in the weeaboo weapons thread?
[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16880899]Wasn't that in the weeaboo weapons thread?[/QUOTE]
I honestly have no idea, I never followed that thread.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16869428]99)HK33
[img]http://world.guns.ru/assault/HK33.JPG[/img][/QUOTE]
Vector Arms went out of business some time ago.
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[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16880899]Wasn't that in the weeaboo weapons thread?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it was.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16878385]That's why they call it a "Marksman" rifle. It is a notch below a "sniper" rifle since the range is limited to 500 yards or less due to the limitations of the 5.56 round.[/QUOTE]
Right... I realized after I posted that were talking DMs, not snipers. My mistake - thanks, Bean-o.
I think I had the Marine standard issue DMR (the M14/21 platform) in my mind when I wrote that post. After looking it up, seems that the standard issue DMR for the Army is an accurized M16 variant called the SDM-R... although there are a couple of photos out there of Army marksmen armed with '21s. Confusing, no? :monocle:
[QUOTE=Darkhorse01;16880551]Yes, your right. I think CO19 are probably the most likely to be fully auto armed. I thought MoD Police would use the L85 like the rest of the Military Police if armed at all. Or are they separate?[/QUOTE]
Yeah they're completely seperate to the rest of the military. They guard MoD installations and offices, and sometimes nuclear sites. They're usually dressed in either plain clothes or a uniform similar to a firearms officer from the regular police.
[QUOTE=massn7;16884479]Right... I realized after I posted that were talking DMs, not snipers. My mistake - thanks, Bean-o.
I think I had the Marine standard issue DMR (the M14/21 platform) in my mind when I wrote that post. After looking it up, seems that the standard issue DMR for the Army is an accurized M16 variant called the SDM-R... although there are a couple of photos out there of Army marksmen armed with '21s. Confusing, no? :monocle:[/QUOTE]
Not really. A squad designated marksman will be armed with the accurized M16 with modified upper, but the platoon designated marksman is generally given a more powerful weapon like the M21 due to the greater importance of his job.
Well, we're at 100.
What do you guys want me to write about today?
[QUOTE=Bean-O;16887221]Well, we're at 100.
What do you guys want me to write about today?[/QUOTE]
Winchester 1894 :3
Do the fist.
Do an article on my penis.
[QUOTE=Evil clock!!;16887738]Do an article on my penis.[/QUOTE]
Not much to talk about really.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;16888504]Not much to talk about really.[/QUOTE]
oh snap
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