Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16935851]This is why I hate trying to buy Mosins. They're always pre-owned by retards and rednecks who choke the fucking things with cosmoline thinking that it's a good idea.[/QUOTE] The arsenal does that dude, they come that way.

So I'm browsing some guns online and I come upon this. I'd have to say I was struck aback with its awesome. [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_4901.jpg[/img]

Just a 10/22 but in pistol form. Looks kinda ugly imo, probably the laminated stock.

It's just awesomely wtf.

[QUOTE=redonkulous;16950487]So I'm browsing some guns online and I come upon this. I'd have to say I was struck aback with its awesome. [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_4901.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] What would that even have a bi-pod, there's no stock to use at all.

Look at this, it's an actual R7615 with a 30-round mag. [img]http://i31.tinypic.com/b3jyir.jpg[/img] It's called the 223 Remington 7615 Tactical Police Pump Action.

[QUOTE=40kplayer;16950838]What would that even have a bi-pod, there's no stock to use at all.[/QUOTE] A bipod isn't dependant on a stock to work..

[QUOTE=Oecleus;16950863]A bipod isn't dependant on a stock to work..[/QUOTE] Meh, I guess so. I've just never heard of a bipod being used without a stock, sorry.

[QUOTE=40kplayer;16950983]Meh, I guess so. I've just never heard of a bipod being used without a stock, sorry.[/QUOTE] I may forgive you one day. You can only hope..

[QUOTE=redonkulous;16950487]So I'm browsing some guns online and I come upon this. I'd have to say I was struck aback with its awesome. [img]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_4901.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] How is that gun even supposed to work... altohugh its hella ugly

[QUOTE=777ecnatsiser;16951271]How is that gun even supposed to work... altohugh its hella ugly[/QUOTE] What do you mean "how is it suppose to work"? It's a pistol with a scope on it and a bipod for an easy rest. If you are asking about how the action works it's a simple rugers simple autoloading action..

[QUOTE=Wake;16950842]Look at this, it's an actual R7615 with a 30-round mag. [img]http://i31.tinypic.com/b3jyir.jpg[/img] It's called the 223 Remington 7615 Tactical Police Pump Action.[/QUOTE] That's the stupidest thing ever made. If it was in some monster caliber, I'd give it credit. But a tactical pump action rifle? That's one huge oxymoron. Lets see a 7mm rem version, then it'll be awesome.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16952976]That's the stupidest thing ever made. If it was in some monster caliber, I'd give it credit. But a tactical pump action rifle? That's one huge oxymoron. Lets see a 7mm rem version, then it'll be awesome.[/QUOTE] How is that an oxymoron. It allows a greater rate of fire than a traditional bolt action yet retains the similar accuracy characteristics of a bolt action. This as well as being less expensive and easier to maintain make it an excellent choice for police departments who wish to have more bang for their buck.

Do the grease gun from WWII.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16953073]How is that an oxymoron. It allows a greater rate of fire than a traditional bolt action yet retains the similar accuracy characteristics of a bolt action. This as well as being less expensive and easier to maintain make it an excellent choice for police departments who wish to have more bang for their buck.[/QUOTE] Because your average AR15 is 10000x faster, and just as accurate if not moreso. It's also extremely cheap to maintain because everyone and their brother owns 10. And if they were bought by a department, they're going to be cheap. Not that they're really even expensive right now anyway. You can get a nice nice stag arms AR15 for $800 right now. They're targeted at the crowded tacticool civilian market anyway. A real police department wouldn't have any interest in something that new. But that rifle in a large caliber like 7mm rem would be one of the most innovative and useful things ever made. It'd be great for hunting, and tactical purposes.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16953095]Because your average AR15 is 10000x faster, and just as accurate if not moreso. It's also extremely cheap to maintain because everyone and their brother owns 10. And if they were bought by a department, they're going to be cheap. Not that they're really even expensive right now anyway. You can get a nice nice stag arms AR15 for $800 right now. They're targeted at the crowded tacticool civilian market anyway. A real police department wouldn't have any interest in something that new.[/QUOTE] Well a hurf durr. My main point is that a pump action rifle is not on oxymoron, it's just another type of action.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;16953133]Well a hurf durr. My main point is that a pump action rifle is not on oxymoron, it's just another type of action.[/QUOTE] You didn't listen. "[b]Tactical[/b] pump action rifle." That's the oxymoron. That's like a tactical lever action, or tactical revolver... or tactical muzzle loader.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16953166]You didn't listen. "[b]Tactical[/b] pump action rifle." That's the oxymoron.[/QUOTE] How does the word Tactical make it on oxymoron? Does it some how imply that the weapon is supposed to be automatic? By definition tactical means to deal with tactics, so the idea of any type of Tactical Rifle really doesn't make any sense with that term. In our contexts it's called a tactical rifle because it has things such as rails, pistol grip, 30 round magazine, and a collapsible stock; by that definition it fits just fine. You can have things such as "tactical" lever actions or muzzle loaders, weather or not they would be practical is another question.

Good god, how did I miss the USP in the first thread? Jesus those pistols are jokes. I like Glocks more than I do the USP and its bastard children. Pricetag and a lovely host of other problems aside, they weigh a fuckton. Smaller than the MK 23? Of course, but the compact variants weigh more than a fullsized 1911. Piece of shit combat pistol.

102)Type 85 SMG [img]http://world.guns.ru/smg/type85smg1.jpg[/img] China has actually had a surprisingly short history of developing its own SMGs rather than making licensed copies. One of their first was the Type 64, a simple open-bolt blowback 7.62x25mm gun with an integral silencer and a control scheme mimicking that of the AK-47 meant for clandestine operations. This gun was issued in tandem with a specialized, subsonic 7.62x25mm round although it is capable of firing normal Tokarev bullets as well. In 1979, working from this surprisingly effective design China made the Type 79 which while it isn't silenced does have another unique feature. It had a gas system. In fact it is essentially an AK-47 in 7.62 Tokarev. While highly effective and quite accurate it was simply too expensive to continue making. With only about 300,000 ever made it would soon be replaced by the subject of this article. Wishing to further standardize their arsenal China wanted an SMG similar to the Type 64 and 79. They liked the idea of a simple subgun in their specialized subsonic 7.62x25mm round. But the 79 was too complex and had no part commonality with the 64. The solution was to start over by making another highly simple 7.62x25mm SMG. The Type 85, as it would later be called is really just an open-bolt pipe gun. Reminiscent of the subguns used in WW2 only significantly lighter, to better suit its role as a rear-echelon weapon. It is still optimized for the subsonic 7.62 bullet, although like the 64 it can use standard Tokarev rounds as well. In fact it even uses the same magazines as the Type 64. But rather than simply replacing the Type 79 it was designed and produced in tandem with an integrally silenced variant in order to replace the Type 64 as well. Enough of a headfuck yet? Starting to see why I have trouble sorting out firearms with Chinese/Japanese designations? Let me simplify things a bit. First they made a silenced subgun in a special low-velocity 7.62 Toke round for clandestine troops, then an unsilenced subgun using the same bullet but it was essentially a downsized AK-47, then they replaced that with a much simpler blowback gun and a silenced variant of the new gun to replace the original in the same swoop. That new gun is the Type 85. In practice this idea seems to have worked out rather conveniently. Now the armourers have less of a headache to deal with since both the general-issue SMG and the special forces version have a good deal of part commonality and use the same magazines. The guns themselves are also quite good. Since they are so simple there is little that can go wrong. They also feature a decent rate of fire, at 700-800 RPM. It is also a very light gun, the standard version weighs about 4 pounds although this is a double-edged sword because given the high rate of fire they might be a bit tough to control. Another advantage is the ammunition. Both it and the silenced version (since it has a pointed tip) have far excellent penetration although at the expense of stopping power. Guns in 7.62x25mm have been known to pierce light kevlar, something that more conventional handgun calibers such as 9x19mm or .45 ACP simply aren't capable of. Still, little is known about just how effective the 85 has proven itself to be. But since it is one of the standard service SMGs of the Chinese armed forces there is no doubt that by now at least several hundreds of thousands have been manufactured. Even if it is to be replaced you can bet your ass they will hand them down to training units and various Chinese law enforcement agencies which will use them for decades to come.

Can you do an article on the Sterling SMG next Bean-O?

It's probably not popular enough to be considered fantastic, but I've heard that the QBZ is a great gun. Apparently, it's as accurate as an AR15 and as reliable as an AK.

[QUOTE=777ecnatsiser;16951271]How is that gun even supposed to work... altohugh its hella ugly[/QUOTE] You squeeze it and it makes bad people go away.

I heard a few things about the QBZ. They say it is based on the AK/SKS action so it is quite reliable but not as accurate as the AR-15 series. Of course there is very little information available since China seems to be somewhat secretive about the exact characteristics of their small arms. What little information is available is simply hearsay and rumor. That and a couple Canadians.

The Type 64 SMG actually looks quite cool: [img]http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6896/type64smg1.jpg[/img] I can imagine it being a quite good special forces weapon, because it's reliable, it has a decent magazine capaity, it's silent, and a good rate of fire. It just seems a bit old, but that's because it is.

Quite cool? It looks like someone made took an AK-47 and some plumbing equipment and mashed them together. Resulting in the most badly proportioned, ugly gun I've seen in awhile.

Well, yeah, it's not exactly a firearm, or a "Weapon" Persay, but why not do one on the Human Body? After all, a weapon is worthless without the guy that fires it. I don't know. you could do a matial arts article or something.

Martini Henry .577 - 450 would make for an interesting article. At least for the round it fired.

The Welrod might be a good choice. Pretty good silenced pistol used by SOE and OSS during WWII. I've always found it to be a good weapon for it's purpose. It was bolt action and small caliber but it was extremely accurate for a pistol and reliable. The really cool thing about it though was that the sound of it firing was so quiet that the only sound you could hear was the sound of the firing pin striking the primer which was barely audible and when the weapon was fired in the preferred way, in contact with the target, it actually made no noise at all. Also, despite it being bolt action which you would think might create sound, it was so well made that operating the bolt made no sound at all. Very good firearm for its purpose and for the time period.

[QUOTE=Wake;16950842]Look at this, it's an actual R7615 with a 30-round mag. [img]http://i31.tinypic.com/b3jyir.jpg[/img] It's called the 223 Remington 7615 Tactical Police Pump Action.[/QUOTE] Very popular in Australia as were not allowed semi-autos Getting one in the next few months So stop complaining about them being pointless You can also get them in 308 and 30.06 Police departments use them because there nearly identical to the Remington 800 shotgun thus they don't need to retrain them