Fantastic Firearms Part 2 - General

[QUOTE=lintz;15852780]Dr. Mortician, Linelor, professional, they all own guns and have fired them. Bean-O also owns a couple.[/QUOTE] Gunfox and I too, and quite a few others who don't talk too much. Turns out that there are a lot of people on Facepunch who enjoy firearms.

Talk about the Taurus Best Magnuns are by made us. Beat that, punkasses!!!

When people just randomly post something on the list, I think they're just trying to be smart by thinking they're the only ones who know about that weapon.

Do something that's crazy by today's standards but was a still a success back in the day, Bean-O. I'm not sure if it was a success but maybe a Triple Barreled Flintlock Pistol: [img]http://gunsofold.com/f1016g.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=lintz;15852780]Dr. Mortician, Linelor, professional, they all own guns and have fired them. Bean-O also owns a couple.[/QUOTE] I own most of the guns I comment on and have owned them for a good while... That's why I lol at certain brands that people make a big fuss over. I've owned it and I know for a fact it's a piece of shit, I don't care what a wiki says. Like when I go around bashing taurus. They're cheapo guns made to low standards. My 24/7 jammed every shot. Look at their raging bull, the steel quality is so low it can only hold 5 rounds in its cylinder when a ruger around the same price can handle 6. Speaking of the .454 casull that is. And while I don't own glocks, all my friends own them as well as some family members. They're made like shit, they feel shitty to shoot, and they're uncomfortable/unitutive for point and shoot. That's also why I don't own one. I got a springfield XD instead.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;15828589]it's no competition, mauser actions are a thousand times better than mosin actions the mosin nagant is a piece of shit; any and every gun is better than the nagant [editline]12:27AM[/editline] you can get a K98 for like 300 dollars (might be more now though, but not over 400) ammunition is cheap, relatively (for now)[/QUOTE] Well hey now. It's not that bad for what it does, which is being a reliable and simple bolt action rifle that can stop someone. Sure, it isn't the most accurate, but it's soldier proof. You can do far worse than a Mosin (for the time period.)

Butthurt

I fired a .303 SMLE no. 1 Mk3 yesterday at the range, it was my first centrefire shoot. I was talking to a mate and he said "Hey, my dad's coming up with my SMLE, wanna shoot it?" I was pretty amazed, and said "Uhh, yeah ok." So his dad came up and we went into the range, and found a free stall. My mate had the first shot, and then said "OK, your turn..." "Catch me if a fall back, ok? Haha." I said as I loaded a single ex-Military round from 1957. It was pretty fun. Now i have bragging rights for my mates, to firing a .303 my shoulder is sore though... I was pumped for ages after and i want to get a Mosin Nagant 44 carbine (they have those in stock at my local gunstore.)

[QUOTE=-Jesus-;15870169]I fired a .303 SMLE no. 1 Mk3 yesterday at the range, it was my first centrefire shoot. I was talking to a mate and he said "Hey, my dad's coming up with my SMLE, wanna shoot it?" I was pretty amazed, and said "Uhh, yeah ok." So his dad came up and we went into the range, and found a free stall. My mate had the first shot, and then said "OK, your turn..." "Catch me if a fall back, ok? Haha." I said as I loaded a single ex-Military round from 1957. It was pretty fun. Now i have bragging rights for my mates, to firing a .303 my shoulder is sore though... I was pumped for ages after and i want to get a Mosin Nagant 44 carbine (they have those in stock at my local gunstore.)[/QUOTE] Full-sized rifle rounds are fun. I remember my first time. I was a young'un and my father handed me a Nagant, actually. Knocked me on my ass. Didn't even hit the paper target I was shooting at. I splintered a tree branch, though. I was proud.

[QUOTE=mm3guy;15841719]Even though we don't have the avatar filesize perk :([/QUOTE] By the way, why did you get demoted down to Respected User?

He asked to be demodded.

Wow guys. I just got back 10 minutes ago from a 3 day trip to Roseville and I didn't expect to see this still on the front page. I'm going to try and write something before 1 am.

[QUOTE=-Jesus-;15870169]I fired a .303 SMLE no. 1 Mk3 yesterday at the range, it was my first centrefire shoot. I was talking to a mate and he said "Hey, my dad's coming up with my SMLE, wanna shoot it?" I was pretty amazed, and said "Uhh, yeah ok." So his dad came up and we went into the range, and found a free stall. My mate had the first shot, and then said "OK, your turn..." "Catch me if a fall back, ok? Haha." I said as I loaded a single ex-Military round from 1957. It was pretty fun. Now i have bragging rights for my mates, to firing a .303 my shoulder is sore though... I was pumped for ages after and i want to get a Mosin Nagant 44 carbine (they have those in stock at my local gunstore.)[/QUOTE] 7mm rifle cartridges are my favorite to fire, a friend of mine has a 7mm rifle (fucking behemoth, both him and the gun :D )

[QUOTE=Bean-O;15884896]Wow guys. I just got back 10 minutes ago from a 3 day trip to Roseville and I didn't expect to see this still on the front page. I'm going to try and write something before 1 am.[/QUOTE] Woot! Bean-O's back guys. :hist101: Any idea of what the next article will be about?

63)Colt Single Action Army/Peacemaker [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Colt_SAA_US_Artillery_RAC.jpg/800px-Colt_SAA_US_Artillery_RAC.jpg[/img] Unless you have been living under a rock since 1874 you have probably heard of this little number. It is perhaps the most iconic firearm of American history. A gun that has defined an era. It is without a doubt THE definitive cowboy gun. In truth it wasn't the only successful revolver and the exact extent of its popularity had been blown out of proportion but to call it a success would be a vast understatement. It wasn't a success, it was a triumph. The story of its development is pretty straightforward. In the early 1870s the US army was seeking a replacement for their cap and ball Colt Army revolvers. They were powerful and accurate but too slow to reload in combat. So they turned back to Colt. Now Colt knew what the Army wanted. They were well aware of all the various new rifles chambered in self-contained cartridges and they adapted the idea to their revolver. It was simple, but very effective. By today's standards the SAA is still slow to reload. Rather than swinging out the entire cylinder you must rotate it and insert one round at a time. This is still leaps and bounds faster than dealing with loose ammunition and powder, packing that down with a little rod. Slow as it was you COULD reload the gun during a firefight, whereas before once you had fired the last shot you were shit out of luck. It was also still single action, which means you have to cock it before each shot. One tactic was to carry 5 shots rather than 6. You see, this gun lacked any safety and when uncocked the hammer rested on the primer. An inconvenient bump could put a bullet strait through the unfortunate user's boot, or worse. So they had 5 shots and the hammer rested on the empty chamber. They were also frequently modified with added weight in the back or the front for better balance or accuracy. Another common (if less wise) modification would have been a more sensitive trigger. Or no trigger at all. The slow rate of fire often encouraged "fanning the hammer" where the shooter holds down the trigger while slamming down on the hammer repeatedly to shoot faster. It may indeed shoot faster that way, but with very poor accuracy unless the user is abnormally skilled. Competition shooters like Bob Munden can fire off multiple shots in this manner within a fraction of a second and with surprising accuracy but few people possess that degree of skill today or then for that matter. The .45 Long Colt ammunition turned out to be an ideal choice. As is typical of any caliber from that time it is somewhat slow, but packs a ferocious punch which is matched by few handguns even today. In fact it is still used in the numerous SAA copies manufactured today as well as other revolvers, even a number of rifles. It may no longer see widespread military service but it is a very popular civilian caliber. But in its time the choice to stick with .45 turned out convenient for Colt for another reason. At the time the Army adopted it they had already bought another revolver made by S&W that also fired a .45 bullet. But a shorter one. This incompatibility created huge logistical headaches until it was found that the SAA could fire both. For several years the Army used both guns and the shorter S&W ammunition before it switched completely to the Colt. It came too late to see any service in the civil war but the Peacemaker was used in vast numbers throughout the various Indian conflicts, the seemingly endless bloodshed all over the frontier as well as the Spanish American war. Famous characters such as Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson were known to carry an SAA. The legacy of such frontier heroes created an American icon but they weren't the only ones packing a Peacemaker. Patton was known for carrying one as well as Lawrence of Arabia. But the legacy isn't only in the gun's image. Because like any truly successful firearm it fathered more offspring than I can count. Ruger makes a series of single action revolvers based off the SAA. Uberti, Cinnamon, STI and U.S. Fire Arms Mfg. Co. to name a few make their own direct copies. This is on top of Colt which still makes the old design and has by now probably made at least half a million, counting all the copies probably well over one mil (although I couldn't find the actual numbers, I'm just guessing). They are still popular for target shooting, self-defense (including self-defense from dangerous game) and collectors greatly prize the originals which can go for quite a hefty sum. Especially if they are engraved. You know it is a successful gun when you don't know exactly how many (counting the copies) were made but you know it's near or over a million. And this can only count the actual number of guns. There is no way to ever truly recognize the amount of impact that such a gun has made on the public psyche. Few firearms such as the AK-47 could ever reach this status where it is the very definition of a household name. I bet you couldn't find one person who doesn't know what a Peacemaker or Colt .45 is.

Needs more CZ-75B.

[QUOTE=Thomas849;15878353]Full-sized rifle rounds are fun. I remember my first time. I was a young'un and my father handed me a Nagant, actually. Knocked me on my ass. Didn't even hit the paper target I was shooting at. I splintered a tree branch, though. I was proud.[/QUOTE] Haha, nice one. I got pretty close to the centre of the target, and i swayed back but was pushed foreward by my mate.

[QUOTE=-Jesus-;15885939]Haha, nice one. I got pretty close to the centre of the target, and i swayed back but was pushed foreward by my mate.[/QUOTE] My dad held me in place when I first fired off a Mosin-Nagant. I was like six at the time and the rifle was almost bigger than me. I got pretty good after a while. :v: Now a days I tend to lean towards pistols rather than rifles. Kind of more fun for me to be up close. [b]and[/b] I remember playing around the fields near our farm back in Ukraine, and I'd run across small arms ammunition and pieces of armor from T-34s and everything else you can possibly imagine that the Red Army left behind on their advance to Germany. I miss those days haha

When I was 12 I fired two magnum shells out of a 20 gauge, and it turned my shoulder blue. [img]http://d2k5.com/sa_emots/emot-v.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=TheShatteredIce;15886057] I remember playing around the fields near our farm back in Ukraine, and I'd run across small arms ammunition and pieces of armor from T-34s and everything else you can possibly imagine that the Red Army left behind on their advance to Germany. I miss those days haha[/QUOTE] Holy shit! I saw something about Russia after the cold war and they were walking through this old derilect facillity, it was awesome. [editline]07:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DualReaver;15886066]When I was 12 I fired two magnum shells out of a 20 gauge, and it turned my shoulder blue. [img]http://d2k5.com/sa_emots/emot-v.gif[/img][/QUOTE] I fired like 20 rounds from the Lee-Enfield, and i have a small bruise, and it's sore, but it'll be gone by tomorrow.

I never fired a .303 before. I own one, but I'm scared of it, because of it's whacky bolt, I'm scared of it killing me. lol The hardest kicking thing I've ever fired was a 30.06. After twenty shots with that I couldn't feel my arm anymore. I don't have a right pectoral muscle, though, so I don't really have much cushioning.

Oh ok. I'm sort of fat, so i get heaps of cushoning, but try getting someone standing behind you, to stop you falling flat on your arse.

[b]Special Edition 2:[/b]Nonlethal Alternatives part one. Ventilated first suggested that I do something in regards to some of the less than lethal approaches to otherwise potentially deadly confrontations. It seemed an interesting angle but I wasn't too amused at the prospect of writing about it at first. But the more I thought about it the more I figured I'd give it a go and see what happens. It isn't uncommon in this somewhat dangerous world of ours that we find ourselves on the receiving end of somebody's aggression. So much so that our lives are in jeopardy but at the same time the person defending themselves must not put the life of the aggressor at risk. There are a number of reasons for taking this alternative. A, you are in the Law Enforcement world where as a rule taking a life is the very last resort. B, you need to defend yourself in a country where killing in self-defense is illegal. C, for moral reasons you would prefer to avoid killing your attacker. D, firearms or more deadly weapons are prohibited, especially for self-defense purposes. In general nonlethal force tends to be more risky to the person protecting themselves. Hitting an attacker with pepper spray for instance as opposed to shooting them is less likely to stop the attack, but the outcome is far better for both parties. The victim won't be needing a psychiatrist (taking a life can take a toll on one's psyche) or a lawyer for that matter. The perpetrator will be alive, the cops will have less headaches and society as a whole would feel better. So let's assume you choose (or are forced to choose) this high road. -A person's first line of defense is to simply use their wits and avoid confrontational situations. For the most part people don't go venturing alone in dark alleys late at night. Common sense dictates that one shouldn't start heated arguments with people either. Most people try to avoid physical confrontations. But let's assume that you are the target of someone who is either on a warpath or seeking to take advantage of you through illegal means. -Coercion would be the second line of defense. Attempt to negotiate with the hostile individual. If they are simply aggravated, back away while attempting to calm them down. Of course this course of action is human nature and should come naturally. An alternative, provided that you have a weapon at your disposal (or at very least something that looks like a weapon) you could attempt to turn the tables on them. Your objective if you are say, robbed and you have a gun is not to injure the attacker. Your objective is to dissuade them from pursuing their attack on you by making it appear to not be worth it. Statistically well over 90% of the cases in the US where a victim brandishes a firearm in self-defense the sheer sight of it dissuades the attacker. No words need be said, no shoots need to be fired, no one needs to get hurt. Of course if you are (like most people) without a gun your odds begin to decline. Generally, the scarier your weapon looks the better the odds that you will be able to dissuade your attacker. But by the time you are down to your own bare fists I wouldn't bother with this plan of attack, you would simply be provoking them (unless you're ripped or something). Again, the plan here is to make them think that you have an overwhelming advantage and that it isn't viable for them, the attacker, to continue the assault. -Ok, so let's say that you have not dissuaded your attacker. It's on now. Let's say that you are unarmed. This is where the essential fight or flight instinct kick in. If you are experienced in martial arts or very physically adept to such confrontations you stand decent odds if you hold your ground. If they are unarmed you could probably kick their ass, if they have a pipe or a melee weapon of some sort you could still probably manage to score a couple solid hits and secure the weapon. If we're talking firearms you better know exactly what you are doing and you better be well within arm's reach. I for one wouldn't try doing something stupid like that. But if you are like me a total weed or they have a gun I'd book it. This is the flight part of that instinct. Get out of there. Just beat it. This is assuming however that you have someplace to run to (as in, you're not cornered), that you can outrun them and that they don't have a gun or a ranged weapon. That complicates the matter drastically. It is possible to flee from a gunman. But very risky. You can weave left and right if you are in an open space making it as difficult for them to line up a shot as possible, you can weave from cover to cover (something they at very least can't see you through) or you could combine fight with flight (as in, hit them with a brick and then run). Just remember [b]never[/b] to run in a strait line away from an assailant with a gun. That makes you a sitting duck. Now let's assume that you want to stand your ground but you don't want to stick with your bare hands. You have come prepared. This is where the term "less than lethal" goes into effect. There is no such thing as a "non-lethal" weapon. You could kill a person with anything meant for self-defense, the odds of that happening however can be very slim, as intended. -Clubs have been used since perhaps the stone age for fucking people's shit up. A solid hit on the head can even render the attacker unconscious, allowing you to restrain them if necessary. It ranges from a bewildering array of nightsticks, billy clubs, blackjacks and other professional weapons to a more improvised arsenal of whatever happens to be on hand. Bricks, pipes, hammers, golf clubs, sticks and the like would suffice. The king of such improvised weaponry would be the baseball bat or cricket bat. Not very wieldy, but it certainly packs the necessary wallop. Golf clubs on the other hand aren't something I recommend. You have a very weak metallic rod with a very solid and heavy chunk of metal at the end. That chunk HAS to meet the attacker for the weapon to be effective. If they are hit with the rod it will either do nothing or get damaged, rendering the weapon useless. A solid hit in the skull with a well-placed long drive could also be lethal which is not an ideal outcome. To a degree the same can be said for hammers. -What about pepper spray? It can be very effective, but you are still betting your life on a can of seasoning. Pepper spray also doesn't take sides. You spray them at close range and you could mace yourself as well. Also, if your attacker is particularly determined (or very high) they could simply ignore it and continue attacking you while blinded. The inconsistent spray pattern could also mean that it wouldn't hit the attacker immidiately. Mace is still somewhat effective. It is very distracting to say the least, truly horrible to say the worst. The possibility of permanent injury is also slim although there have been rare cases of choking deaths or allergy-related fatalities. So it is very neat and can be very useful but it disorients, rather than physically stopping the opponent. There is a certain "give up" factor involved as well. Sometimes an attacker will stop or flee if maced, but this is not something I'd bet my life on. Rather it gives you the temporary physical advantage or an opportunity to flee. Thus, with time at such a premium in such a scenario it is an indispensable tool. Well this wraps up part one of this miniseries on nonlethal weaponry. It will be continued tomorrow with more weapons such as tasers, tear gas and specialty shotgun shells.

[QUOTE=Bean-O;15899423] -Clubs have been used since perhaps the stone age for fucking people's shit up.[/QUOTE] Just great :v:

How do you have so much time in your hands to make threads like these?

[QUOTE=Uzi-Face;15899721]How do you have so much time in your hands to make threads like these?[/QUOTE] About 30 minutes a day.

Could you paragraph that so it's easier on the eyes?

Do you have sources for that one? Or have you just made it up using your own general knowledge and assumptions?

[QUOTE=-Jesus-;15886417]Oh ok. I'm sort of fat, so i get heaps of cushoning, but try getting someone standing behind you, to stop you falling flat on your arse.[/QUOTE] They aren't that bad... just hold them tight into your shoulder, and no worries... won't even have to have your buddy backing you up. I'd still like to try a .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua some day... I heard those rounds really make their presence known to your shoulder.

[QUOTE=massn7;15900784]They aren't that bad... just hold them tight into your shoulder, and no worries... won't even have to have your buddy backing you up. I'd still like to try a .300 WinMag or .338 Lapua some day... I heard those rounds really make their presence known to your shoulder.[/QUOTE] I will soon try some high calibres. Going shooting with mates in the holidays. going to be awesome.