The EOTech looks a bit weird, but other than that, [i]damn[/i]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/of9KQDD.jpg[/t]
Taken with my Phone.
My WE Tech Glock 26C Advance that I got in the Evike Mystery Box and my KWA USP.45 Full Size
That muzzle thing looks so cool
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;43597264]I dunno. Ergonomics on rifles isn't a huge deal for me unless it's actively painful to use. I would, however, invest in an AFG just because damn those fuckers are comfy. MOE grips: comfortable. Colt grips: comfortable. Would i buy MOE grips? Probably not. If i bought an M4 with MOE grips though, i wouldnt go out of my way to replace them, though.[/QUOTE]
thumbhole stocks are [I]the shit[/I] for me man, beats a classic pistol grip any day of the week imo
How so? There is literally zero functional difference between the two
[QUOTE=felix the cat;43609650]How so? There is literally zero functional difference between the two[/QUOTE]
[i]Functional[/i] maybe, but as someone who has an SVD and an M14 EBR, there IS a definite difference in the feeling/comfort between a free-standing pistol grip and an enclosed, thumbhole-style stock/grip assembly.
You're comparing apples and oranges there. Firstly, you can put any number of different kinds of pistol grips on an M14 EBR, which come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Secondly, the M14 and SVD are two entirely different firearms, with different lengths of pull, balance points, etc. Now, if you get your hands on an SVD-S to compare to the SVD, maybe then you can make an appropriate comparison. However, the only possible superiority that I see you could claim the thumbhole stock has, is that it supports the palm more than a full pistol grip. Counter to that however is that you can get different pistol grips that can fit just about any ergonomic need you may desire. The other issue with thumbhole stocks is that it makes manipulation of the weapon more difficult, especially on more modern/western style weapons where the controls are designed to be engaged by your primary hand's thumb.
[QUOTE=felix the cat;43613943]You're comparing apples and oranges there. Firstly, you can put any number of different kinds of pistol grips on an M14 EBR, which come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Secondly, the M14 and SVD are two entirely different firearms, with different lengths of pull, balance points, etc. Now, if you get your hands on an SVD-S to compare to the SVD, maybe then you can make an appropriate comparison. However, the only possible superiority that I see you could claim the thumbhole stock has, is that it supports the palm more than a full pistol grip. Counter to that however is that you can get different pistol grips that can fit just about any ergonomic need you may desire. The other issue with thumbhole stocks is that it makes manipulation of the weapon more difficult, especially on more modern/western style weapons where the controls are designed to be engaged by your primary hand's thumb.[/QUOTE]
>etcetcetc points that aren't relevant
k, first off? The ability to mount numerous different types of pistol grips on the EBR is kind of irrelevant in this scenario. I'm talking about the stock, out-of-the-box, unmodified pistol grip that came on the rifle. Not a Magpul grip, not a PSG-1/sniper type with the little hand-rest on the bottom, the normal EBR grip that resembles the oldschool pre-A2 M16 grips. Secondly - No, an SVDS is not really a more appropriate comparison, we're talking about the stock/grip part of the rifle, not the entire thing. Front-end weight and overall balance of the rifle is sort of irrelevant right now. The length of pull on the EBR can also be changed to about the same length as an SVD - huzzah for adjustable stocks. Again you mention the aftermarket pistol grips that are irrelevant for the sake of this discussion so I'm not going to repeat myself on that. Lastly, most weapons that are meant to have thumbhole stocks on them aren't usually the same weapons that have an M16-style fire selector; as it pertains to this, neither the SVD nor the M14 (EBR or otherwise) are meant to be changed from safe to fire using the shooter's right-hand thumb, so that doesn't matter, and, on that note, any WELL-DESIGNED thumbhole stock for a weapon like the M16 would take into consideration that the user interacts with the fire selector with his thumb. But that requires the stock designer to actually think the design through from a user's perspective instead of just going, "Hey, let's throw this random thumbhole stock on here without considering how it will change the shooter's ability to work the fire selector."
But hey, it's not like thumbhole stocks aren't extremely common on high-end, bolt-action competition shooting rifles where the shooter's comfort and ease of use are important or anything. And since comfort is what Recurracy was talking about here, I'd say it's a bit more important than how tacticool the rifle with the pistol grip looks.
tl;dr version - Pretty sure you're missing the point Recurracy was making.
holy shit people have opinions on what they like and dont like who woulda thought
[QUOTE=Malikyte;43614551]>etcetcetc points that aren't relevant
k, first off? The ability to mount numerous different types of pistol grips on the EBR is kind of irrelevant in this scenario. I'm talking about the stock, out-of-the-box, unmodified pistol grip that came on the rifle. Not a Magpul grip, not a PSG-1/sniper type with the little hand-rest on the bottom, the normal EBR grip that resembles the oldschool pre-A2 M16 grips. Secondly - No, an SVDS is not really a more appropriate comparison, we're talking about the stock/grip part of the rifle, not the entire thing. Front-end weight and overall balance of the rifle is sort of irrelevant right now. The length of pull on the EBR can also be changed to about the same length as an SVD - huzzah for adjustable stocks. Again you mention the aftermarket pistol grips that are irrelevant for the sake of this discussion so I'm not going to repeat myself on that. Lastly, most weapons that are meant to have thumbhole stocks on them aren't usually the same weapons that have an M16-style fire selector; as it pertains to this, neither the SVD nor the M14 (EBR or otherwise) are meant to be changed from safe to fire using the shooter's right-hand thumb, so that doesn't matter, and, on that note, any WELL-DESIGNED thumbhole stock for a weapon like the M16 would take into consideration that the user interacts with the fire selector with his thumb. But that requires the stock designer to actually think the design through from a user's perspective instead of just going, "Hey, let's throw this random thumbhole stock on here without considering how it will change the shooter's ability to work the fire selector."
But hey, it's not like thumbhole stocks aren't extremely common on high-end, bolt-action competition shooting rifles where the shooter's comfort and ease of use are important or anything. And since comfort is what Recurracy was talking about here, I'd say it's a bit more important than how tacticool the rifle with the pistol grip looks.
tl;dr version - Pretty sure you're missing the point Recurracy was making.[/QUOTE]
You can't compare a heavily sculpted high end thumbhole stock to a standard M16 pistol grip. That's completely contradictory to the entire point you made about me not being able to compare a thumbhole to aftermarket pistol grips.
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If you sawed off the little bit of wood underneath the pistol grip of an SVD and made it not a thumbhole, the grip is in absolutely no way more or less functional with a marginal, if any at all, difference in feel.
Except that's not what I'm comparing. Not really sure what your deal is but holy jesus. Nobody said anything about comparing the several-thousand-dollar target rifles to a milstandard M16. If you recall, I was comparing the SVD to the EBR, which got you crying about how it's such an unfair comparison with "apples and oranges" even though it's a perfect example. Looks like once again you completely missed the point.
Nobody's talking about modifying anything you tool. We're comparing STOCK, UNMODIFIED PARTS. Why is this such a problem for you to grasp? IN STOCK FORM, there is an obvious difference in comfort between a thumbhole-type stock as found on the SVD, and the pistol-grip design found on an EBR, or an M16, or a G3, or your choice of pistol-grip design rifle.
I was never at any point talking about comfort, which is an entirely opinional thing considering everyone's hands and preferences are different. I said that there is no functional difference, which you apparently disagreed with.
[QUOTE=felix the cat;43614916]I was never at any point talking about comfort, which is an entirely opinional thing considering everyone's hands and preferences are different. I said that there is no functional difference, which you apparently disagreed with.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Malikyte;43613171][b][i]Functional[/i] maybe,[/b] but as someone who has an SVD and an M14 EBR, [b]there IS a definite difference in the feeling/comfort[/b] between a free-standing pistol grip and an enclosed, thumbhole-style stock/grip assembly.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you were never talking about comfort (when comfort was the single most important point we were making this entire time) is obviously the problem here. Good day.
How about we all shut up and agree that people can like what they like and hate what they hate and not force their opinions down peoples throats and get back to posting guns
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look at piratemikes scar and shut up
then apparently he hit his parents' bbwarz blaster limit with the scar and now has to sell something to get a val
rip
[QUOTE=Malikyte;43614932]The fact that you were never talking about comfort (when comfort was the single most important point we were making this entire time) is obviously the problem here. Good day.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you're all up in arms about this. My entire point after you got all upset about my claim that there's no functional difference (which wasn't directed at you anyways) was that you can get any number of pistol grips to suit your ergonomic needs, which would indeed rival that of a thumbhole stock. Maybe you should grow up and instead of going and editing all your posts to try to insult me in some way, realize that in the real world, people have civilized discussions about these things without passively attacking the other person
I would discuss the functional differences between a pistol grip and a thumbhole stock someplace else. I've never experienced the functional differences in the two, it's merely an ergonomic preference that I have, there's just something about thumbhole grips enclosing the whole thumb that I like.
Less trash talk and more gun posts. Brb getting some content
what have I done....
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All the parts spraypainted were expendable, namely the shitty MP5 hicap, cheap MAG midcap that I have 8 of, and the spare, broken TM P90 upper
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metallic gold btw
I know many who have both AR's and AK's have tried this but I really like the way the AR look with such a small muzzle device.
That and the AK looks like it's straight out of Battlefield 3.
[img]http://puu.sh/6ta5S.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=GREN EYGS N HAM;43620969]I know many who have both AR's and AK's have tried this but I really like the way the AR look with such a small muzzle device.
That and the AK looks like it's straight out of Battlefield 3.
[t]http://puu.sh/6ta5S.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Ambi CM? dope.
Quick, bury your M4 with the barrel sticking out and make a punji stick trap
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Punji_stake_pit.jpg[/t]
dont forget to shit on it too.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/5w7q3lb.jpg?1[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/p0LVWiO.jpg?3[/t]
Currently has only a buffer tube, but I'm planning to pick up an MOE stock when I can.
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also the peq2 is for appearance, its buffer tube wired
[QUOTE=GREN EYGS N HAM;43620969]I know many who have both AR's and AK's have tried this but I really like the way the AR look with such a small muzzle device.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Probably wouldn't be at all useful on a real AR but it does look unique.
[QUOTE=GREN EYGS N HAM;43620969]I know many who have both AR's and AK's have tried this but I really like the way the AR look with such a small muzzle device.
That and the AK looks like it's straight out of Battlefield 3.
[img]http://puu.sh/6ta5S.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Don't the Bulgarians put birdcage flash hiders on their AKs IRL?
