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[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]
the scope is only so i can track bbs better because this thing slings them so far that i loose sight of them
Last time I checked "tacticool" (see also: "tacticlol", "tacticrap") was a demeaning term that referred to random pointless shit that serves no real purpose and just makes the user feel more like a floperator tryhard. There's a difference between putting something on your gun because it's beneficial in some way, and just tacking every useless piece of tactical shit on your gun that you can possibly find RIS space for. Most of the guys I've personally seen/talked to who actually rely on this shit to do their jobs and potentially save their lives seem to run pretty minimalist. The less shit you have on your gun, the less shit that can fail at inopportune moments. Goes back to the old acronym KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
airsoft emulates the real thing though, and that's why we're separate from paintball. Having the same stuff that a real cool guy might need is perfectly good because its an emulation.
Nonono, here's how it works. Airsoft is about pretending, right? They're designed to look like real guns, and by that very nature a lot of people want their airsoft weapons to resemble real rifles to a T. I don't think you can fault someone for that. That said, it means they're going to add things like a replica PEQ or EOTech. Maybe a mock suppressor too. Sure it won't help the actual gameplay, but isn't part of what makes airsoft airsoft the ability to make believe?
Do the Russian fans catch flak for trying to make an accurate replica of a specific AK variant? Probably not. To me it's frankly just airsoft hipsterdom. To me getting all uppity about someone's preferences stupid, especially when it's going after impressionists and milsim guys because you have some fedora-fueled vendetta.
"I also have a right to call that stuff silly if I want to"
But fucking why would you? What is this, high school? You could just be an adult and not moan and groan about what accessories someone chooses for their rifle and move on like anyone else who has opinions.
I just feel like nowadays it's just become the cool thing to call every other AR "tacticool" and "generic" despite how different they really are, when most of these people use plain things like AKs or G36s that everyone else has.
[QUOTE=Malikyte;44405949]Last time I checked "tacticool" (see also: "tacticlol", "tacticrap") was a demeaning term that referred to random pointless shit that serves no real purpose and just makes the user feel more like a floperator tryhard. There's a difference between putting something on your gun because it's beneficial in some way, and just tacking every useless piece of tactical shit on your gun that you can possibly find RIS space for. Most of the guys I've personally seen/talked to who actually rely on this shit to do their jobs and potentially save their lives seem to run pretty minimalist. The less shit you have on your gun, the less shit that can fail at inopportune moments. Goes back to the old acronym KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid[/QUOTE]
And again we're down to the dichotomy between tacticool being synonymous with terms like 'HSLD' or 'Operator' yet also being able to stand in for "bullshit from airsoftmegastore". It's used for both and there's clearly a difference.
[QUOTE=Foosili;44405747]why do you need a foregrip
why do you need an eotech
I feel like when people use shit like this all the time they rely on it as a crutch.
[editline]31st March 2014[/editline]
Like I get that it's your rifle and you can do whatever you want with it, that's your business, but I also have a right to call that stuff silly if I want to[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=notrabies;44405805]As far as I'm concerned the only legitimate accessories for an airsoft rifle are a grip and a flashlight since they both let you do things you wouldn't be able to do otherwise. I have a hard time believing that people need NOD's, PEQ's, and optics when I can beat regularly outshoot any of these people with none of that shit.
I mean yeah airsoft is all about bringing whatever you want on your gun and stuff, but I consider it ridiculous for people to try and justify this shit to me as anything other than for appearances.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to their use on real guns, but as Herf and Biscuit said, I use them on my gun to emulate the real thing. If I wanted to just play a game about shooting at people and not trying to be as realistic as possible, I'd play paintball. I mean, my G&P has a faux feed ramp inside the upper receiver. Is it necessary to chamber a 6mm BB? No. But I sure as hell appreciate the fact that G&P made it as realistic as they possibly could.
Don't think I ever posted this pic:
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[/B]And a favorite of mine, because why not
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[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;44405979]Nonono, here's how it works. Airsoft is about pretending, right? They're designed to look like real guns, and by that very nature a lot of people want their airsoft weapons to resemble real rifles to a T. I don't think you can fault someone for that. That said, it means they're going to add things like a replica PEQ or EOTech. Maybe a mock suppressor too. Sure it won't help the actual gameplay, but isn't part of what makes airsoft airsoft the ability to make believe?
Do the Russian fans catch flak for trying to make an accurate replica of a specific AK variant? Probably not. To me it's frankly just airsoft hipsterdom. To me getting all uppity about someone's preferences stupid, especially when it's going after impressionists and milsim guys because you have some fedora-fueled vendetta.
"I also have a right to call that stuff silly if I want to"
But fucking why would you? What is this, high school? You could just be an adult and not moan and groan about what accessories someone chooses for their rifle and move on like anyone else who has opinions.[/QUOTE]
You bring up some valid points, but iirc you also haven't played airsoft in years so I think you're forgetting some things. I think that airsoft is more about shooting someone than pretending to look like someone, but maybe that's just because the rules for events are often more about the gameplay than looking the part. Yes both are important to most people, but I think you'd have to be ridiculous to worry more about your appearance than playing the damn game.
Now keep in mind, I too am working on an actual impression, and I admit most of that goes towards looks rather than performance, but I also don't bring anything that compromises my ability to play just because it would look the part better.
Oh and remember that this is a fucking internet forum, there is nowhere better to have post our opinions and arguments. People have a right to disagree with one another so I don't see what you're getting all grumpy about.
a peq doesnt hinder performance tho :(
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;44405999]And again we're down to the dichotomy between tacticool being synonymous with terms like 'HSLD' or 'Operator' yet also being able to stand in for "bullshit from airsoftmegastore". It's used for both and there's clearly a difference.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe people could stop using it as synonyms for "operator" and just stick to using it for what it was originally meant to convey instead of trying to twist it around as a badge of honor and confusing people. Just a thought.
Unfortunately Malik, neither you nor I get to decide how hundreds of thousands of people are going to use a word, so it's not just something you can just 'fix' by suggesting it.
Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that you shouldn't have to take up a negative attitude about other peoples preference. It's fun to head over to the 'tacticlol' thread for a quick laugh but I wish airsoft was more accepting of the massive variety of different interests, tastes, and preferences. It's tough, because I don't think you can just cleanly divide it up between 'practical' players, 'impressionists', 'mall ninjas', and 'walmart operators', it's a package bunch, but I'd like to think that we can all try to stop acting so condescending towards tastes you don't agree with and just embrace everyone's individual brand of stupidity.
No, but you can help by not continuing to misuse it knowing full well how it's supposed to be used. That's how language changes.
tacticlol to me means "unnecessary shit stuck on solely for the sake of looking cool"
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;44406199]tacticlol to me means "unnecessary shit stuck on solely for the sake of looking cool"[/QUOTE]
Terminal lance illustrates this point well
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[quote]Well this is a pretty easy subject, I suppose. Everyone knows the guys that go out and spend all of their money on any new piece of gear they can find. Anything that makes them look like someone out of a videogame or some BLACKHAWK! ad in Leatherneck Magazine. It’s the stuff that usually no one needs, but somehow it always finds it’s way into the hands of the guys who go outside the wire the least–if at all.[/quote]
Well that's certainly the definition for tacticlol, but I don't know if a lot of people, especially outside of FP, will agree it's the same for tacticool.
It's not an exaggeration to say that scores of people would label this guy as tacticool.
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EDIT: So what I'm trying to say is that I agree tacticool means "stuff you don't need" but a lot of people are just going to use it to mean anything HSLD or Operator in any way.
I use a lot of unnecessary shit because I'm doing an impression of a SOF unit. They use all that shit because to them (although maybe not to the average soldier - as demonstrated in the comic) it's clearly of use.
I really don't think (in real warfare, anyway) that a sight, fore grip, suppressor, PEQ w/pressure switch, and flashlight are tacticlol, I think they're all useful devices in their own right.
[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]
For a SOF unit, that is.
I agree that its tacticool, in the sense that it mirrors what the "cool guys" actually use, it looks cool, and its all useful and functional (at least on a real rifle). i dont think tacticool is a negative thing. tacticlol is tho.
[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]
and yeah, if youre doing a specific impression, then i think its fine to put shit on your gun that may not be necessary for airsoft but is used in the real world by the ones youre emulating.
In conclusion- some people want cool accessories on their gun because it makes them happy, some people want a no-frills experience with just the essentials and it makes them happy.
Let's all hold hands :)
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EDIT: So what I'm trying to say is that I agree tacticool means "stuff you don't need" but a lot of people are just going to use it to mean anything HSLD or Operator in any way.[/QUOTE]
Very true, but since I consider anything past a vertical grip and flashlight to be stuff you don't need we are of course going to have super different opinions on what's ridiculous and what's not.
[QUOTE=Zao Medong;44406319]I use a lot of unnecessary shit because I'm doing an impression of a SOF unit. They use all that shit because to them (although maybe not to the average soldier - as demonstrated in the comic) it's clearly of use.
I really don't think (in real warfare, anyway) that a sight, fore grip, suppressor, PEQ w/pressure switch, and flashlight are tacticlol, I think they're all useful devices in their own right.
[editline]30th March 2014[/editline]
For a SOF unit, that is.[/QUOTE]
This makes perfect sense, but to anyone who doesn't run an impression they're probably going to consider your accessories nothing more than excess weight regardless of how well they fit your goal.
[QUOTE=notrabies;44406358]nothing more than excess weight regardless of how well they fit your goal.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I feel like that's how every non-impressionist looks at every piece of my kit.
Not that I particularly care. I don't need dual comms or IR chemlights or a Sordin headset at my local field, but I like that they make me look the part.
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;44406344]In conclusion- some people want cool accessories on their gun because it makes them happy, some people want a no-frills experience with just the essentials and it makes them happy.
Let's all hold hands :)[/QUOTE]
gay
i stuck my 177 comp on my 105 for shigs and i hate to admit it but i think it looks kind of cool
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XM brakes look badass on just about everything. Though that particular setup would probably look nicer with the E1 (collar-less) model.
IMO, AR brakes in general look dope as hell on AK's and vice versa.
Fuckit, I know I'm a copycat for doing this but I was just too curious to see how it'd look like and to be honest, it looks really nice.
Generic AR #82384723 with '74 muzzle device.
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suddenly i want a railed handguard
[QUOTE=Zao Medong;44406319]I use a lot of unnecessary shit because I'm doing an impression of a SOF unit. They use all that shit because to them (although maybe not to the average soldier - as demonstrated in the comic) it's clearly of use.[/QUOTE]
Just as a note on that, even amongst special forces the use of 'tactical' accessories seems to be seriously overstated by airsofters. For every picture of an AR variant festooned with extra parts you can find another of a bog-standard, no-frills rifle, MG, or SMG used by the same groups. They use whatever is necessary to accomplish the mission, and if those accessories won't help and just add dead weight then they stay at home.
If you put a bunch of accessories on your rifle simply because you're trying to look like SF then you're doing it wrong IMO.
Oh god I don't want to start this argument again.
I say everyone here should just agree to disagree.
So those airsoft guns huh?
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