I used to like First Contact - and then I actually watched TNG the television show and learned how good it could actually get and how non-intellectual FC is
like I said First Contact is good if you can ignore stupidity and mindless action in favor of [I]reasonably[/I] well done Trek history - I'd say that's about its only redeeming quality. the whole thing with the borg queen and [sp]Data getting kidnapped and pretending to be converted and playing along with her and fucking with Picard at the end and shit for dramatic tension[/sp] was just incredibly stupid
[QUOTE=Tk1138;26694940]First Contact and Generations are the only TNG ones I watch.
We have them all on Blu-ray, dad wanted them for his birthday. Hes suppose to be getting me the TOS movie collection on Blu-Ray[/QUOTE]
My brother has the first 10 movies in a box set but he doesn't let me open it since that would spoil its mint condition :(
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26695090]I used to like First Contact - and then I actually watched TNG the television show and learned how good it could actually get and how non-intellectual FC is
like I said First Contact is good if you can ignore stupidity and mindless action in favor of [I]reasonably[/I] well done Trek history - I'd say that's about its only redeeming quality. the whole thing with the borg queen and [sp]Data getting kidnapped and pretending to be converted and playing along with her and fucking with Picard at the end and shit for dramatic tension[/sp] was just incredibly stupid[/QUOTE]
The action isn't so bad until Picard starts going crazy and out of character. Which I admit isn't all that far in but it shows it could've been done better than it was.
Fortunately, it doing Trek history is a very redeeming quality for me!
and also the ridiculous difference between movie Picard and TV show Picard, that's one of, if not [I]the[/I] worst part of the films for me
Skip Generations, it was absolute garbage.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26695174]and also the ridiculous difference between movie Picard and TV show Picard, that's one of, if not [I]the[/I] worst part of the films for me[/QUOTE]
damn I rated agree by accident, ah well.
Picard is pretty much the same as he was when he got "de-borgafied" in the series. He hates the Borg for what they did to him and goes apeshit when he finds out they are on his ship assimilating his crew. His hatred for the Borg is probably best summed up in this scene:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmmHPE8EvA[/media]
He felt powerless when he was Locutus of Borg and witnessed himself killing thousands of people at wolf 359 and had to go through weeks of counselling after, thats why he goes bananas in First Contact, he never really got over it.
[QUOTE=Mabus;26695807]damn I rated agree by accident, ah well.[/QUOTE]
you can change your rating
[QUOTE=Mabus;26695807]damn I rated agree by accident, ah well.
Picard is pretty much the same as he was when he got "de-borgafied" in the series. He hates the Borg for what they did to him and goes apeshit when he finds out they are on his ship assimilating his crew. His hatred for the Borg is probably best summed up in this scene:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmmHPE8EvA[/media]
He felt powerless when he was Locutus of Borg and witnessed himself killing thousands of people at wolf 359 and had to go through weeks of counselling after, thats why he goes bananas in First Contact, he never really got over it.[/QUOTE]
But in one episode he helped that one borg (I think they called him Hugh?) and then sent him back to the collective even though he had the chance to use him as a weapon to destroy the borg. Picard really isn't the revenge type.
And it isn't just First Contact where he's out of character. In Nemesis he really enjoys driving that dune buggy around which doesn't really seem to fit.
I'm talkinnggggg about how in the movies he's a fucking action hero that does stupid stunts (dune buggy in Nemesis, machine gun in First Contact, breaking the Borg queen's spine UGGGHHHH I hate that fucking shit) and in the TV show he's an enlightened intellectual and a [I]very[/I] accomplished diplomat who would like to avoid violence and save lives (on both sides) as much as humanly possible
[B]this[/B] is Jean-Luc Picard
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keZlextkcDI[/media]
[B]not[/B] this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OCKDEdtWys[/media]
[editline]14th December 2010[/editline]
by the way Mabus that clip from first contact is totally inappropriate because FC takes place [I]after[/I] the episode (like Rasrap Smurf noted) in which they captured Hugh and found a way to send him back to the Collective with a virus that would destroy the whole shebang - but they didn't, because they all realized that the Borg were a species and none of them wanted to commit genocide, and as such that clip of Picard is fucking ridiculously out of character
it's like none of them watched the show before making the movies to check for these inconsistencies
I read this on a twitter page
You know what I'd like to see fan-art of?
Borgified Mordor.
Also known as Borgor.
One does not simply warp into Borgor.
Eye of Sauron is just a huge evil satellite dish...
Little Kuriboh likes Star Trek. (its quite obvious after he re-dubbed the opening to Best of Both Worlds)
[editline]14th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26698851]it's like none of them watched the show before making the movies to check for these inconsistencies[/QUOTE]
And Johnathan Frakes directed it. Tisk, tisk Also Insurrection.
lmao see these, #9 makes a good point in the first vid
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-f3bscZa0E[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz1PBiq-2OE[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbQ4keKFZIY[/media]
dunno where part 1 is
[QUOTE=Rasrap Smurf;26696827]But in one episode he helped that one borg (I think they called him Hugh?) and then sent him back to the collective even though he had the chance to use him as a weapon to destroy the borg. Picard really isn't the revenge type.
And it isn't just First Contact where he's out of character. In Nemesis he really enjoys driving that dune buggy around which doesn't really seem to fit.[/QUOTE]
[quote]by the way Mabus that clip from first contact is totally inappropriate because FC takes place after the episode (like Rasrap Smurf noted) in which they captured Hugh and found a way to send him back to the Collective with a virus that would destroy the whole shebang - but they didn't, because they all realized that the Borg were a species and none of them wanted to commit genocide, and as such that clip of Picard is fucking ridiculously out of character[/quote]
He still hates the Borg, he grows to like Hugh as he sees him as an individual person and not a drone, he lets Hugh go back to the collective in the knowledge that maybe what they learn from him may change some of them, which could be a more powerful weapon than any bioweapon and to protect the enterprise from harm.
I can understand your point that you see Picard as a man of word rather than of action but when he is pushed he his very capable of defending himself, like in Darmok where he stabs some alien thing and Tapestry where he attacks a group of cheating aliens in a bar brawl (he gets stabbed there) there was also an episode where he rugby tackles some dude on the bridge and kicks the shit out of him.
yes craptasket exactly
I didn't want to just post a RLM review because it's lazy but he expresses everything so much better than I ever could, partly because he puts so much more time into it, and partly because he can pick and choose the examples he wants to use to illustrate his points
like for example when I said [this is [B]not[/B] jean-luc picard] I wanted to find a clip of the dune buggy chase in nemesis but there wasn't one on youtube (maybe that's for the best though, what a fucking stupid scene) so I had to settle with the machine gun clip from first contact
[editline]14th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mabus;26699486]I can understand your point that you see Picard as a man of word rather than of action but when he is pushed he his very capable of defending himself, like in Darmok where he stabs some alien thing [/QUOTE]
yeah, self-defense, I don't know what relevance that has to his dumb action hero persona vs his enlightened intellectualism persona
[QUOTE=Mabus;26699486]and Tapestry where he attacks a group of cheating aliens in a bar brawl (he gets stabbed there) [/QUOTE]
yeah but that's when he's an undisciplined teenage youth who hasn't grown into his character yet so again I don't know what relevance that has to what we're talking about
[QUOTE=Mabus;26699486]there was also an episode where he rugby tackles some dude on the bridge and kicks the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
don't remember that episode do you know what it's called?
[editline]14th December 2010[/editline]
@craptasket
yeah I remember part 1 of the FC review is fiendishly hard to find because it's under a different name or something idk why
here's the link to the review on redlettermedia's site if you want to watch the first part of it
[url]http://www.redlettermedia.com/first_contact.html[/url]
at the dune buggy sequence, I don't get why picard can't have a little fun in his life. Who cares if he was enjoying himself.
[editline]15th December 2010[/editline]
to me, the dune buggy scene makes perfect sense, While picard has grown older and wiser and knows when it's time to be 100% serious you can't just abandon your childhood entirely. It's like nostalgia. If you abandoned that entirely nostalgia wouldn't exist because you wouldn't care for it. That's simply not the case. Everyone has a longing to go back to their childhood and to simpler times, picard's childhood was not like it is today, he did a lot of stuff that was indeed against the rules, and he was a fun loving kid. The fact that the dune buggy scene brought that back out made 100% sense to me, and arguably is what makes picard seem even more human, than just being a boring old stiff ALL the time.
And besides, Nemesis was probably the worst TNG movie.
Star Trek Voyager is my favorite. Anyone agree/anyone else?
[QUOTE=The_Marine;26702392]And besides, Nemesis was probably the worst TNG movie.[/QUOTE]
Oh god yes. Contrary to most people, I actually liked Insurrection. It was different. And the references to the Dominion war kept continuity nice and fine.
Though why the Federation was working with the Son'a when they were giving the Dominion Ketracel white.
[editline]14th December 2010[/editline]
Wait, thats explained in the movie, kinda.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;26702495]Star Trek Voyager is my favorite. Anyone agree/anyone else?[/QUOTE]
it's my second favorite, right behind TNG
[QUOTE=Bllasae;26702495]Star Trek Voyager is my favorite. Anyone agree/anyone else?[/QUOTE]
I agree, it's the Star Trek series that got me interested for Star Trek. The last 2 episodes of the re run that i've been following are being broadcasted tonight. Can't wait to see them. Next i'm gonna go for TNG.
I like DS9 the most.
[QUOTE=MisterLANCE;26700045]at the dune buggy sequence, I don't get why picard can't have a little fun in his life. Who cares if he was enjoying himself.
[editline]15th December 2010[/editline]
to me, the dune buggy scene makes perfect sense, While picard has grown older and wiser and knows when it's time to be 100% serious you can't just abandon your childhood entirely. It's like nostalgia. If you abandoned that entirely nostalgia wouldn't exist because you wouldn't care for it. That's simply not the case. Everyone has a longing to go back to their childhood and to simpler times, picard's childhood was not like it is today, he did a lot of stuff that was indeed against the rules, and he was a fun loving kid. The fact that the dune buggy scene brought that back out made 100% sense to me, and arguably is what makes picard seem even more human, than just being a boring old stiff ALL the time.[/QUOTE]
The dune buggy scene made sense?
Why do they even have a vehicle with wheels?
[editline]15th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kalibos;26699557]
I didn't want to just post a RLM review because it's lazy but he expresses everything so much better than I ever could, partly because he puts so much more time into it, and partly because he can pick and choose the examples he wants to use to illustrate his points
[/QUOTE]
I don't like pointing to his reviews either, but it gets annoying when I want to use an example to illustrate my point but the only one I can think of was one of the ones he used. It makes me feel like I'm copying.
[QUOTE=bugfix;26711111]I like DS9 the most.[/QUOTE]
It's good Duet was one of my favorite episodes.
"In the Pale Moonlight" was my favourite DS9 episode ever. And is in the top 5 of my favourite episodes of the franchise.
Just finished Voyager yesterday and it was a really good ending. I liked Janeway's expression when they saw the federation ships.
But i got some questions
[sp]
Admiral Janeway said that if they tried to blow up the transwarphub while they where still in it they would have been crushed, but still they survived, how?
And what was her purpose of going to unimatrix 0? Was it just to be assimilated and infect the queen?
And also one thing i noticed, ST First contact take place before Voyager gets home right? Then how could the queen be alive in Voyager?
[/sp]
[QUOTE=johan svensk;26729561]Just finished Voyager yesterday and it was a really good ending. I liked Janeway's expression when they saw the federation ships.
But i got some questions
[spoiler]
Admiral Janeway said that if they tried to blow up the transwarphub while they where still in it they would have been crushed, but still they survived, how?
And what was her purpose of going to unimatrix 0? Was it just to be assimilated and infect the queen?
And also one thing i noticed, ST First contact take place before Voyager gets home right? Then how could the queen be alive in Voyager?
[/spoiler][/QUOTE]
No they were still lost in space during first contact, Nemesis takes place when they get home.
[QUOTE=Mabus;26729569]No they were still lost in space during first contact, Nemesis takes place when they get home.[/QUOTE]
Just what i said. But how could the queen be alive in Voyager?
you know, I'm not sure how that worked.
[editline]16th December 2010[/editline]
here's what wikipedia and memory alpha have to say about it
the Borg Queen is not a single, irreplaceable entity, but the product of a program called "The Royal Protocol" that shares its name with a Starfleet document outlining requirements when dealing with foreign royalty. This program is used to create a Borg Queen from any female Borg, commanding the technology within her to alter and adapt to the Protocol's specifications.
According to the Pocket VOY novel The Farther Shore published after the television series concluded, a Borg Queen can be replaced in mere seconds by using the Royal Protocol. Seven of Nine was specifically mentioned in the Royal Protocol and was most likely to become the next Queen.
[QUOTE=MisterLANCE;26729756]you know, I'm not sure how that worked.
[editline]16th December 2010[/editline]
here's what wikipedia and memory alpha have to say about it
the Borg Queen is not a single, irreplaceable entity, but the product of a program called "The Royal Protocol" that shares its name with a Starfleet document outlining requirements when dealing with foreign royalty. This program is used to create a Borg Queen from any female Borg, commanding the technology within her to alter and adapt to the Protocol's specifications.
According to the Pocket VOY novel The Farther Shore published after the television series concluded, a Borg Queen can be replaced in mere seconds by using the Royal Protocol. Seven of Nine was specifically mentioned in the Royal Protocol and was most likely to become the next Queen.[/QUOTE]
Well that explains it. They do have serious plastic surgery :P
The original series has started airing on my T.V. so I've been watching it for a while now, it's some seriously cool shit
I haven't touched any of the other series, but the first one is fucking rad
I remember watching Deep Space Nine to start off, and it was fucking terrible, I hated it. It formed an opinion of star trek for months, until I got onto the first series which is rad
I approve of this thread
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;26729963]
I remember watching Deep Space Nine to start off, and it was fucking terrible, I hated it. It formed an opinion of star trek for months, until I got onto the first series which is rad
I approve of this thread[/QUOTE]
Deep space nine is fucking terrible until you get up to like Season 4. Then it gets better.
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