Steven Woods to be executed in 7 days for a crime he didn't commit. He's still on death row even tho - General

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32264393]So your interest in saving a man's life goes only as far as, "he has an easy-access website with the petition clearly labeled in the front?"[/QUOTE] No. I was referring to people here, and I think a lot of them don't care about just him. I just hate the death penalty. That's it. Steven Woods is the topic at hand, though.

I believe once you take away the right to live from someone else, you forfeit your own right to live.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32264474]I believe once you take away the right to live from someone else, you forfeit your own right to live.[/QUOTE] by that logic life is not a right, it is a privilege. rights cannot be taken away. if you take away one man's rights, you take it away from everyone. also nobody gives a flying fuck what you believe. sociopaths aren't exactly good judges on ethics.

Hey guys, is he dead yet?

Yeah, spare me the sappy regurgitated wise-man sayings. So sentencing a murderer to death takes the right to live away from everyone? Yeah, um, no. Prisoners in jails don't exactly get to exercise all of their rights. They get the basic ones but all of their liberties are taken away. So let's say you take away a prisoner's right to vote, are you taking that right away from everyone? I have no problem discussing stuff like this with people, but at least formulate your own ideas and opinions instead of spewing shit you've heard from other places. Wouldn't be surprised if someone drops the "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" saying here. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. I may be a fairly far-left democrat but I still have a grasp on reality. Face it, the world will never be perfect. People will never be perfect. I wish every prisoner could be rehabilitated and whatnot just as much as anyone else, but that just isn't realistic, not for a country the side of the United States. Hell, one could argue that the death penalty is [b]more[/b] humane than life in prison. I know I'd rather just be killed than spend the rest of my life in a grey box, knowing I'll never be able to leave or know what it's like to be free again. Disagreeing with it because of the logistics behind it or how the statistics actually show death penalty states having higher murder rates is one thing, going and regurgitating babble other men said a long time ago without giving it any real thought is another.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32264551]so sentencing a murderer to death takes the right to live away from everyone?[/QUOTE] Yes, that's sort of how rights work. As in you can never, ever take them away under any circumstances. And don't fucking pretend you like the thought of murdering people out of mercy. You sound like a goddamn serial killer.

Seeing the world in black and white like that is just ridiculous and naive. There are exceptions to everything.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32264561]Seeing the world in black and white like that is just ridiculous and naive. There are exceptions to everything.[/QUOTE] Says the guy who thinks it's okay to kill human beings because it's for their own good. You aren't in the fucking gray area there. You're a goddamn lunatic.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264569]Says the guy who thinks it's okay to kill human beings because it's for their own good. You aren't in the fucking gray area there. You're a goddamn lunatic.[/QUOTE] Someone having a different opinion then you makes them a lunatic? And death penalty just punish people that made some horrible shit, they deserve it. And i wouldn't mind if they implemented a death penalty here.

he dead yet?

Oh great, now you're resorting to extremes, twisting what I've said to make it sound ridiculous. I have a different opinion as you, therefore I must be a lunatic. I never said we should kill people for their own good, I said someone gives up their right to live when they violate someone else's right to live. That's lunacy? Give me a fucking break. Maybe I'll have this discussion with you when you can actually think for yourself. If you're not regurgitating the words of other people, you're throwing unnecessary insults. Grade-A discussion skills you have there.

[QUOTE=Garbor 0.1;32264614]Someone having a different opinion them you makes them a lunatic? And death penalty just punish people that made some horrible shit, they deserve it. And i wouldn't mind if they implemented a death penalty here.[/QUOTE] Saying you think it's okay to kill because it's merciful are the words of serial killers. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;32264628]twisting what I've said to make it sound ridiculous[/QUOTE] Nope, you've done that pretty well on your own. "I think killing them is more human than prison because I wouldn't want to be in prison for life." That ain't your goddamn call. You act as though you've given them a choice in the matter.

I never said the word merciful. When I talked about arguing about the death penalty being more human, I was clearly speaking hypothetically. I never said "I think the death penalty is more humane," I said someone could argue that it was. Because the world is not black and white, there's no right or wrong solution here. Life in prison can be seen as the right or as the wrong thing to do. The death penalty could be seen as the right or wrong thing to do. My whole point was going "omg that's wrong no exceptions you're a lunatic" is outright stupid and naive.

First of all, I don't think you realize just how torturous lethal injection is. We use better methods to kill our fucking pets at the vet. It isn't humane from the outset. Saying that it's more humane than respecting the single-most basic human right is simply psychopathy: a severe detachment from reality. You are sick in the mind if you think you're an angel of goddamn death for killing people. You rationalize yourself into being the good guy by coming up with these stupid goddamn excuses for committing premeditated murder on a state level.

Jesus christ, Lankist, quit making him out to be psychopath, you're pulling that out of your ass. He said that a death sentence could be argued to be more humane than life in prison. Can you seriously not see that he does indeed have a legitimate point there? Life in prison would be horrible for some, much more horrible to THEM than just dying. Why is that so hard to grasp without calling him a serial killer? On a side note, according to the site, Steven Woods has been executed now. Really brought my night to an end on a depressing note.

[QUOTE=Kyklis;32264712]Jesus christ, Lankist, quit making him out to be psychopath, you're pulling that out of your ass. He said that a death sentence could be argued to be more humane than life in prison. Can you seriously not see that he does indeed have a legitimate point there? Life in prison would be horrible for some, much more horrible to THEM than just dying. Why is that so hard to grasp without calling him a serial killer?[/QUOTE] Thanks for quoting charlie manson at me [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyklis;32264712]On a side note, according to the site, Steven Woods has been executed now. Really brought my night to an end on a depressing note.[/QUOTE] He was a neo-nazi and he was guilty.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264673] It isn't humane from the outset.[/QUOTE] Who said it's supposed to be humane?

[QUOTE=aydin690;32264755]Who said it's supposed to be humane?[/QUOTE] MaverickIB

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264770]MaverickIB[/QUOTE] You are literally putting words into his mouth now.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;32264551]Hell, one could argue that the death penalty is [b]more[/b] humane than life in prison[/QUOTE]

rest in peace

MORE humane. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. I'd say killing a very old man is more kind than killing a young man. Does that mean killing either is kind?

[QUOTE=Kyklis;32264821]MORE humane. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. I'd say killing a very old man is more kind than killing a young man. Does that mean killing either is kind?[/QUOTE] Sorry, if you're gonna be the one to take up the banner, how'd you like to start justifying state-sanctioned murder of sovereign citizens?

[QUOTE=Wiiunite;32264515]Hey guys, is he dead yet?[/QUOTE] Hey guy, shut up.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264830]Sorry, if you're gonna be the one to take up the banner, how'd you like to start justifying state-sanctioned murder of sovereign citizens?[/QUOTE] Take up WHAT banner? Jesus christ, re-read what I've said and you'll notice I never actually took a side, I was arguing about you making ridiculous claims about what Mav was saying. Now here you go again, trying to make somebody look like a monster through outrageous accusations. Look, my last post was saying that Maverick didn't state at all that capital punishment was humane, something you tried (and failed) to say he did. So I gave an example to back up what I was saying, would it make it easier on you if I used a simpler example that doesn't involve bloodshed? I'd also say that McDonalds is more healthy than eating out of the trash. Just because neither are healthy doesn't make that statement any less true.

[QUOTE=Kyklis;32264885]Take up WHAT banner? Jesus christ, re-read what I've said and you'll notice I never actually took a side, I was arguing about you making ridiculous claims about what Mav was saying. Now here you go again, trying to make somebody look like a monster through outrageous accusations. Look, my last post was saying that Maverick didn't state at all that capital punishment was humane, something you tried (and failed) to say he did. So I gave an example to back up what I was saying, would it make it easier on you if I used a simpler example that doesn't involve bloodshed? I'd also say that McDonalds is more healthy than eating out of the trash. Just because neither are healthy doesn't make that statement any less true.[/QUOTE] Either make a fucking point or stop butting in on our conversation. I don't care if you want to get argumentative, but you need to come up with a goddamn point. I'm not going to acknowledge you if all you want to do is argue semantics and chastise me for being impolite to a crazy person.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264890]Either make a fucking point or stop butting in on our conversation. I don't care if you want to get argumentative, but you need to come up with a goddamn point. I'm not going to acknowledge you if all you want to do is argue semantics and chastise me for being impolite to a crazy person.[/QUOTE]Lankist... hate to say it but you're the crazy person here. You haven't listened to a word anyone has said. You are blindly defending your point as if it is the only point that could have ever existed. You sound like a total fool. Whether or not your position is the correct one is still up for debate. Whether or not you deserve to be listened to anymore isn't. Shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32264943]Lankist... hate to say it but you're the crazy person here. You haven't listened to a word anyone has said. You are blindly defending your point as if it is the only point that could have ever existed. You sound like a total fool. Whether or not your position is the correct one is still up for debate. Whether or not you deserve to be listened to anymore isn't. Shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] nope. If you'd like to take up the banner, feel free. Go ahead and defend MaverickIB's point that we should bring back the gallows. Or lynchings. I'm going to assume gallows.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32264949]nope. If you'd like to take up the banner, feel free. Go ahead and defend MaverickIB's point that we should bring back the gallows.[/QUOTE]Your answer is "nope."? Ok you know what, how about this: you argue why I should even listen to what you have to say after you blatantly ignored everything everyone else said with bullshit excuses, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, I will tempt this debate. Otherwise, you've lost the argument, point goes to Maverick, end of discussion.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32264965]Your answer is "nope."? Ok you know what, how about this: you argue why I should even listen to what you have to say after you blatantly ignored everything everyone else said with bullshit excuses, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, I will tempt this debate. Otherwise, you've lost the argument, point goes to Maverick, end of discussion.[/QUOTE] So you think we should bring back public lynchings and get rid of appeals. Because that's what Maverick has clearly said. I mean you are clearly the most qualified judge in this matter. Not someone with, say, seven years of specialized education on the matters of law and rights.