yeah pop music is the musical equivalent of mcdonalds but just because mcdonalds is garbage doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable (however, pop music doesn't give you diabetes and colon cancer). pop music is obviously very produced and there's probably more going into a song than just the song-writer's emotions, but there's nothing wrong with looking past that and enjoying it.
besides, it's not like people are trapped listening to it. if you have access to a radio, you have access to other stations; if you have access to the internet, you have access to pretty much all music you could ever need; if you have access to a physical music store, you have access to plenty of other artists. nobody is trapped listening to pop music. the only people you could argue are trapped with pop music are restaurant and retail workers who have to listen to it over their employing establishment's speakers, even then, who cares?
pop music isn't even harming non-pop musicians anyways. pop music is a different market from other music scenes. some kid's shitty metalcore project on bandcamp isn't losing money to pop music. they aren't even competing for the same demographic.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;48375193]There's good and bad examples in every genre, but I can't disagree with him that pop as a whole is pretty gross.
Obligatory counter-example of bad song that shows no heart, feeling, emotion, or effort.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbEoRnaOIbs[/media][/QUOTE]
1. that song is an actual banger
2. Why does music need heart!? And it does have a feeling and an emotion: both are FUN!
It's a fun song!
Pop is completely allowed to exist in our society. It thrives because it is an [i]accessible product[/i]. The majority of people don't want to study music, they just want to hear a catchy tune.
It's the nature of our society's current attitude towards music (due to the feelings of the majority).
They're is no reason for it to change. I completely disagree.
[editline]4th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;48375275]yeah pop music is the musical equivalent of mcdonalds but just because mcdonalds is garbage doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable (however, pop music doesn't give you diabetes and colon cancer). pop music is obviously very produced and there's probably more going into a song than just the song-writer's emotions, but there's nothing wrong with looking past that and enjoying it.
besides, it's not like people are trapped listening to it. if you have access to a radio, you have access to other stations; if you have access to the internet, you have access to pretty much all music you could ever need; if you have access to a physical music store, you have access to plenty of other artists. nobody is trapped listening to pop music. the only people you could argue are trapped with pop music are restaurant and retail workers who have to listen to it over their employing establishment's speakers, even then, who cares?
pop music isn't even harming non-pop musicians anyways. pop music is a different market from other music scenes. some kid's shitty metalcore project on bandcamp isn't losing money to pop music. they aren't even competing for the same demographic.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, no one is constrained or forced to listen to the music.
slipknot is just as insulting
[QUOTE=Tacooo;48374453]I don't really care about his opinion because he makes worse music anyway[/QUOTE]
There are no objective criteria to establish what "good" music is. Music is subjective, it's just that the majority of people don't want to take the time and resources to study more technically complicated forms.
I don't believe anybody should have such a biased opinion about an entire genre.
Seems stupid when there's so much content out there, you're bound to find something you like in any genre why exclude something just to tug your own ego.
Also isn't Slipknot kinda the "Pop" of metal. :what:
Slipknot sucks but so does pop music. Or at least the stuff they play at my work. Every once and a while I hear a song with something interesting going on, be it a cool voice or riff or whatever, but it's rarely expanded upon, just looped for 3 minutes until it cuts off. I know I sound like an elitist dick, but half the songs they play seem to have 5 lines of lyrics like they couldn't come up with anything else.
You can have poppy, catchy music by serious musicians (see Dio or Queen), and you can still sing along to it and have fun. I don't know if it's just the stuff they play at work, and I don't even know the names of songs, but man is it boring to listen to a song that's comprised of only one or two ideas just repeated over and over with no place to go.
Edit: I should add, tho, that when I'm not a work, at least it's really easy to avoid it if you don't want to hear this kind of music. So that's a plus.
The radio station people listen to at your work shouldn't be the only defining factor of an entire genre. I understand what you're getting at but it's flawed logic.
One of the main problems people have music wise is that they never sit down and look for new music on their own.
Yes, it can be a tiresome process to sit and shuffle through bands you don't know for 3 hours or so. But that's really what it takes to find something new.
People usually get spoon fed the most popular bands no matter what the genre is, so the concept of the mainstream in pop doesn't hold true either.
There will always be a preference in taste, but that shouldn't deny an entire horizon of opportunities.
Why would you listen to crap such as pop music when you can listen to quality songs such as "Down With The Sickness".
There is a lot of decent pop music out there.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C64TCXVMfFM[/media]
Just like any music, you gotta find it :V
Disagree with Corey because his argument is so childish.
However I do sort of agree with this sentiment; mainstream pop music is much less [I]pure[/I] than any other form of music because it's manufactured and tweaked to be as appealing as possible to as many people as possible. It's written by the artist, then re-written, censored, edited and by the producers and the lawyers and the marketing department, then it's auto-tuned and processed to be as loud, as pitch-perfect and as memorable as possible. I love a lot of pop music, I just fundamentally disagree with the ethics and the motivation behind it. It's not written to be artistic expression, it's written almost entirely to make money, and it's taking advantage of people who aren't really interested in music or haven't spent the time to find their musical niche by cramming them full of (following on from an earlier metaphor) McDonald's. And it's often the people who deserve it the least who are getting all the credit, the money and the admiration that comes with producing this stuff.
Does that mean you can't enjoy it? Of course not. If you're not interested in music that's fine. However, talking to someone about their supposed love of music and then hearing them name whoever's in the top 40 currently is sort of like watching someone who claims they're a 'hardcore gamer' exclusively playing mobile games.
As WarBorq noted, people just aren't willing to put the time in to discover undiscovered artists and unfortunately that means they settle for the radio most of the time.
This is less true of our generation, who spend hours soaking in the internet, using services like Last.fm and YouTube's 'Recommended For You' feature. I'm convinced that it's not our generation's supposed piracy that's killing the music industry, it's our eclecticism. And in my opinion it can't happen soon enough.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;48374438]2 words, bro: Milli Vanilli.
If you think pop music these days is a scam, look up those guys.[/QUOTE]
That was one group. Today every pop group is the equivalent of Milli Vanilli.
[QUOTE=megafat;48376547]Why would you listen to crap such as pop music when you can listen to quality songs such as "Down With The Sickness".[/QUOTE]
wrong band
I think a song being formulaic bothers me far more than auto-tune. I think even overdriven autotune (i consider there to be two types of autotune, the kind you hear and the kind you) can be done well. Like panic at the disco's "nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks" has cheesy autotune that ends up sounding pretty good in the context of the whole album, and Brendon Urie certainly doesn't need the assistance when singing.
I just redacted a huge paragraph because that much angst isn't necessary right now.
Yeah, I'm with him. As a musician, let alone a music lover, I couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=megafat;48376547]Why would you listen to crap such as pop music when you can listen to quality songs such as "Down With The Sickness".[/QUOTE]
that is a damn good question.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at02Fvdhk2I[/media]
I generally listen to either indie rock/jazz/emotional hardcore and shit but I really thibk people need to get over the whole Pop = Shit mentality. Sure most Pop Music is simple in structure but I see many awesome ideas come out of it as well.
Honestly in a world where we have so much choice when listening to music, I can't understand why people even argue about whats mainstream. Listen to what you like and let others do the same.
I still hold the firm belief that Gotye's Making Mirrors is one of the best album of 2012 (And possibly of all pop albums in general):
[media]http://youtu.be/L_fCdmvlsaI[/media]
"but daddy I want the new Taylor Swift Album"
"YOU WILL GET SLAYER AND YOU WILL DAMN WELL LIKE IT"
yeah i like slipknot but this is just kinda dumb tbh. Even if i don't like a majority of pop music it's kinda childish to call it insulting.
To anyone who says that music today is trashy and repetetive and acts like there wasn't trashy or repetetive music in the past, I have this one song for them.
Come Sail Away by Styx.
[video=youtube;9TcztyNlFx0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TcztyNlFx0[/video]
by the end it's just repeating "Come Sail Away, Come Sail Away, Come Sail Away with me" over and over and over again. I mean jeez I like the song but it's repetitive AS FUCK.
[QUOTE=General;48374533]I highly disagree
This shit is the bomb
[video=youtube;WA4iX5D9Z64]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64[/video][/QUOTE]i fucking hate this song.
tbh the only taylor swift song i could even tolerate was that one about romeo or juliet when she wasn't nearly as famous as she is now. i can't remember the name. i think it was her first hit or something.
then again slipknot kinda sucks too.
The problem isn't with shitty music, the real problem is that shitty music instead of being something obscure, actually gets more recognition, and people without musical taste can't tell otherwise.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48374397]Well back then there still had to be effort, computers weren't really that powerful then up until the mid 90s to be able to do things he touched on like autotuning to shit.[/QUOTE]
It's true. Back in the 80s and 90s music was music and everyone was authentic. No studio bullshit, just real musicians. We had banging excellent hits like this!
[video=youtube;DvoGYXtV5GA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvoGYXtV5GA[/video]
[sp](For those unaware, this song was cooked up in a studio and recorded before either of the "singers" was ever involved)[/sp]
ED: fuck, someone already mentioned Milli Vanilli.
I can listen to pop, its just not that great to listen to. more obscure artists are way better because mainstream ones are mostly like processed bullshit that the creator had little influence in.
Basically the boybands of the 90s now with just a single diva.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48378058]It's true. Back in the 80s and 90s music was music and everyone was authentic. No studio bullshit, just real musicians. We had banging excellent hits like this!
[video=youtube;DvoGYXtV5GA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvoGYXtV5GA[/video]
[sp](For those unaware, this song was cooked up in a studio and recorded before either of the "singers" was ever involved)[/sp][/QUOTE]
[media]http://youtu.be/udS5qBrBFqE?t=16s[/media]
I'm not going to watch the video because I'm hasty with views, however I do know a lot of people that have weird preconceptions of what pop music is and how it's inherently awful.
In my mind, pop music is a lot like romantic comedies and fast food: it's usually easy to make, appeals to a wide audience, and isn't something that requires your brain to be involved.
I'll agree that pop music is often manufactured for the sake of money instead of art, however it's not necessarily the end of the world. Some people don't need a lot going for their music and some people don't even consider themselves to be too involved in the realm of music anyway. It's like complaining that someone went to go see The Avengers instead of Casablanca - not everyone is trying to be as immersed as the professionals and critics.
The only time I take issue with pop music personally is when it feels like it's heavily pandering. I took offense with Macklemore's "Same Love", because to me it sounded more like taking an opportunity with the newly popular opinion of accepting homosexuality instead of actually crafting a well-written message. It's a fake risk and is really meant to make Macklemore look like part of the in-crowd.
The other time I take issue with pop music is when it feels like it's pushing for bad ideals: too much partying (very specific extent (Ke$ha-levels)), or rapey rapping vibes, or an excessive push for celebrating oneself and wealth, etc. But eliminating those tropes still leaves a lot of relatively excellent music on the radio.
[video=youtube;nfWlot6h_JM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM[/video]
[video=youtube;OPf0YbXqDm0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0[/video]
[video=youtube;y6Sxv-sUYtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM[/video]
[video=youtube;bpOSxM0rNPM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOSxM0rNPM[/video]
[video=youtube;iX-QaNzd-0Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-QaNzd-0Y[/video]
[video=youtube;KVYup3Qwh8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVYup3Qwh8Q[/video]
These are songs that I'd jam a little to while working at an electronics store - there's a respectable level of talent, production, and accessibility that I've got no problem with. When I get home, I can delve into the niche, obscure music.
[QUOTE=Warborq;48376145]Also isn't Slipknot kinda the "Pop" of metal. :what:[/QUOTE]
Listen to their album Iowa and tell me that fits into the niche of pop-metal. They didn't start doing the pop-metal stuff till the next album, but it was still some good shit in my opinion.
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