i don't think the frontman of fucking slipknot can go around trying to shit on other music
Slipknot is music for so-called hardcore children.
I never understood how you can actually diss pop-music, because pop-music is such a broad term and covers so many genres.
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
Like you may as well just say "I don't like mainstream music" and if that's his argument than he's just being a huge hypocrite because slipknot was/still kinda is pretty fucking mainstream.
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;48375378]1. that song is an actual banger
2. Why does music need heart!? And it does have a feeling and an emotion: both are FUN!
It's a fun song![/QUOTE]
I think you're a little obsessed.
Not a fan of his music but he seems like a cool guy and he's totally right. It's embarrassing that music is written for an eight year old's reading level on average.
[QUOTE=bdd458;48377983]To anyone who says that music today is trashy and repetetive and acts like there wasn't trashy or repetetive music in the past, I have this one song for them.
Come Sail Away by Styx.
[video=youtube;9TcztyNlFx0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TcztyNlFx0[/video]
by the end it's just repeating "Come Sail Away, Come Sail Away, Come Sail Away with me" over and over and over again. I mean jeez I like the song but it's repetitive AS FUCK.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Velocet;48378591]Not a fan of his music but he seems like a cool guy and he's totally right. It's embarrassing that music is written for an eight year old's reading level on average.[/QUOTE]
Honestly through every generation of music you had some group of people saying the exact same or similar comments to the quote above me.
Like how can you make such a huge generalization of "all music today is bad" when you haven't even probably heard a quarter of all music made today and it'd be impossible because everyday new shit is coming out.
And all the underground shit getting made today that you aren't probably even gonna hear till a couple years later when it get's bigger.
Corey Taylor has been saying lots of anti-mainstream shit this year with the Kanye hate and now Pop hate. Move along people, because it's just marketing for his book. :v:
music is better than it's ever been, music distribution has been democratized to an absurd degree
if you don't want to listen to katy perry you don't have to - you have spotify and you can listen to absolutely whoever you want out of millions of songs from hundreds of thousands of artists. you can listen to "pop music" that has less than a couple thousand views, you can find chillwave artists and indie pop groups and shit that are incredibly obscure and have zero money-backed-marketability at all and just make that type of music because they like it.
corey taylor knows his audience - angsty high-school kids who hate everything popular. he has a book coming out so he's capitalizing on that audience by criticizing modern music and being a pretentious cock and "calling out" kanye west and shit, nobody cares except angsty teens with musical superiority complexes.
slipknot's just a fucking shock rock band and there's very little special about them, they're as generic (or moreso) than katy perry or any other million pop artists - the fact that corey fucking taylor thinks he's the voice of a generation is hilarious, he's no different than most other pop artists because he is pop. the fact that he's making videos like this is marketing - he wants to sell his book. he's marketing hatred towards popular marketing. it's hilarious.
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48374397]Well back then there still had to be effort, computers weren't really that powerful then up until the mid 90s to be able to do things he touched on like autotuning to shit.[/QUOTE]
autotune has become a musical tool more than a musical crutch - it's like saying that a guitar sampler pedal is a "musical crutch" when they could just play the same thing a few times in a row, or that electric guitars are "musical crutches" and everyone should just use acoustic
seriously - Kanye West helped legitimize autotune as a creative tool rather than a crutch to hide imperfections behind and now you have a boom (especially in hip-hop) of creative autotune usage (like Future, Young Thug, etc) that tops charts on a regular basis.
Pop singers absolutely use autotune too, but so what? Would you get mad that Slipknot has a dedicated DJ and they use electric guitars? Is that "cheating?" Who cares? It makes the music better - I don't care how hard you slapped those strings on your guitar, I care how good the song is and how quality the recording is. If both are shit I don't like your song.
Auto-tune is here to stay more than electric guitar. You seem to value the skill it takes to make music - the average person just appreciates the music itself. I don't care if it was made in a bedroom on a laptop from 2005, I don't care if it was made in a studio tweaked for months with levels adjusted and slight edits made until it was overproduced and perfected - if it sounds good I like it.
I used to listen to slipknot back when I had no taste and listened to shitty music
[QUOTE=Blah360;48378421]Listen to their album Iowa and tell me that fits into the niche of pop-metal. They didn't start doing the pop-metal stuff till the next album, but it was still some good shit in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
iowa is the kind of shit that plays in hot topic, dude
These arguments against modern pop music seem to just be more of a criticism of electronic music in general. Can't say that I'm a fan of pop music either, but it just seems like people are trying to pick at reasons to say that pop music is objectively bad because they don't like it.
Electronic music is full of talentless buttonpushing, hell, I make electronic music and it's pretty much talentless buttonpushing on my part, but you get so much more flexibility out of it. Since synthesizers came along, there's been a massive amount of variety and innovation in music in just a few decades. If you just look in the last 10 years, there are too many styles to even list, and I don't think the same can really be said about music without electronic influences.
Until someone finds a way to make a physical instrument that can generate supersaws, I'll just stick with my overproduced garbage.
[QUOTE=halofreak472;48378857]These arguments against modern pop music seem to just be more of a criticism of electronic music in general. Can't say that I'm a fan of pop music either, but it just seems like people are trying to pick at reasons to say that pop music is objectively bad because they don't like it.
Electronic music is full of talentless buttonpushing, hell, I make electronic music and it's pretty much talentless buttonpushing on my part, but you get so much more flexibility out of it. Since synthesizers came along, there's been a massive amount of variety and innovation in music in just a few decades. If you just look in the last 10 years, there are too many styles to even list, and I don't think the same can really be said about music without electronic influences.
Until someone finds a way to make a physical instrument that can generate supersaws, I'll just stick with my overproduced garbage.[/QUOTE]
the funny part is when people go "the computer just makes the music there's no talent they just push buttons!"
composers don't make the music it's actually the orchestra they have no talent despite organizing and writing the whole thing and creating it from the ground up it's only the instrument players that have talent and only the instruments i deem difficult enough to play "correctly."
it's the same argument as people against modern art - they put all the value of the art on how hard it was to make and put zero value on the end result. yes, it's easier, that doesn't cheapen anything. i could build a mud hut over the course of 12 years or i could have a mansion built in 2 - is the mud hut "a better house" because of it?
it's just people putting entirely practical and pragmatic values on top of art, when art has absolutely nothing to do with pragmatism and practicality. it's ignorance.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48378874]
it's the same argument as people against modern art - they put all the value of the art on how hard it was to make and put zero value on the end result. yes, it's easier, that doesn't cheapen anything. [B]i could build a mud hut over the course of 12 years[/B] or i could have a mansion built in 2 - is the mud hut "a better house" because of it?[/QUOTE]
why did you just describe the movie Boyhood?
The worst part about pop music is how overplayed it all is. I don't even listen to the radio but I know like half the lyrics to any modern pop song just by osmosis.
It's not even the fault of the artists, shit just gets repetitive hearing the chorus to whatever's popular at the grocery store constantly.
[QUOTE=gunguy765;48378599]Obligatory
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I only knew of this one
[img]http://emilyvolman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/run_the_world_vs_bohemian_rhapsody-109577.jpg[/img]
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dirf;48378944]The worst part about pop music is how overplayed it all is. I don't even listen to the radio but I know like half the lyrics to any modern pop song just by osmosis.
It's not even the fault of the artists, shit just gets repetitive hearing the chorus to whatever's popular at the grocery store constantly.[/QUOTE]
The first 50 times I heard Bad Blood it was great. The next 50 its just meh.
I don't disagree with him 100%, but it's fucking weird to hear someone who jumped on the late 90s to mid 2000s Nu and Core craze criticise a genre with complaints that have been said about the genre he writes in.
It reminds me of Pantera talking about how metal they were and that they never were not, despite their massive glam phase.
Lady Gaga is a better rockstar than him
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0YjGKqauw[/media]
saying Pharrell is insulting is insulting
OK Go puts more heart in what they do then any trash slipknot has ever made.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;48379036]Lady Gaga is a better rockstar than him
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0YjGKqauw[/media][/QUOTE]
He-Man is a better rockstar than him.
Imagine believing that pop is worse now than it's ever been, it's always been the same. Technical advancements and genre fads (at the current moment it's deep house) come along but they're always following this same format and have done since the 60's. People always got sick of the stuff in the charts, some people were sick of the beatles too.
Please realize this video is literally made to pander to the 13 year old social introverts that listen to his music so they have the opportunity to scream "ROCK RULZ, POP SUX!!!" to all the people who know better.
Checking back at this thread, some people here are making legitimate criticisms of Corey's statements and the "pop=shit" mentality (ex: .Isak, SoaringScout, etc.) while others are just resulting to "No you!" arguments, petty insults, etc. (ex:J!NX, Rusty100, etc.).
[QUOTE=zizzleplix;48379977]Checking back at this thread, some people here are making legitimate criticisms of Corey's statements and the "pop=shit" mentality (ex: .Isak, SoaringScout, etc.) while others are just resulting to "No you!" arguments, petty insults, etc. (ex:J!NX, Rusty100, etc.).[/QUOTE]
it's partly because it's so ironic that the lead of one of the most popular nu metal bands is so outspoken about "selling out" and being popular and shit when nu metal itself is basically just metal made to be more appealing to a mass audience which arguably made it one of the worst genre fads in recent memory. it's pop metal.
slipknot is to metal as green day and blink-182 and simple plan are to punk music. they're not punk. they're pop punk. slipknot is not metal, they're nu metal, they are a genre that exists specifically to market metal to a wider audience. slipknot is "poppified" metal in every way.
i don't like slipknot at all and i think almost all nu metal is irredeemably forgettable and uninteresting in pretty much every way, but because I love hip-hop and spend a lot of time on the nerdier parts of the internet (that tend to hate hip-hop) I'm very conscious of how idiotic is to say "this sucks and it's trash" instead of "i don't like it."
[QUOTE=zizzleplix;48379977]Checking back at this thread, some people here are making legitimate criticisms of Corey's statements and the "pop=shit" mentality (ex: .Isak, SoaringScout, etc.) while others are just resulting to "No you!" arguments, petty insults, etc. (ex:J!NX, Rusty100, etc.).[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting observation, thanks for pointing it out.
Who gives a shit if something is pop punk or nu metal. Everybody has their own taste, I never argue with someone over what they listen to or say something is bad and they should feel bad for enjoying it. I think that those repetitive pop songs that are written by a team of writers and has like three sentences are dumb, but if somebody enjoys that then they can listen to that for all I care.
It's like when people show up on fan pages of bands just to tell people that it is bad and that X is better than Y. Taste in music differs between each individual, simple as that. If I'm in the right mindset I can listen to just about anything. Sitting and arguing over what fits into what genre is a waste of time. The only criteria should be, "does it sound good to [I]me[/I]". That's all I care about at least.
Pop is made for a very wide audience, so it's likely that anyone can find music they like better by digging a little bit deeper. So in a way I guess it's true that people who listen to nothing but pop are missing out, because there's certainly more niche music out there that would appeal to them as well.
About pop being overproduced I think it's more of a matter of preference. I like music that sounds raw and human rather than perfectly engineered, if that makes sense, but I don't assume that's the case for everyone.
In the end this is a bit hypocritical coming from him though. I'm not seeing the fundamental difference between Slipknot and Lady Gaga. I guess Slipknot is slightly more niche but it's still pretty much the pop of metal.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;48380321]Who gives a shit if something is pop punk or nu metal. Everybody has their own taste, I never argue with someone over what they listen to or say something is bad and they should feel bad for enjoying it. I think that those repetitive pop songs that are written by a team of writers and has like three sentences are dumb, but if somebody enjoys that then they can listen to that for all I care.
It's like when people show up on fan pages of bands just to tell people that it is bad and that X is better than Y. Taste in music differs between each individual, simple as that. If I'm in the right mindset I can listen to just about anything. Sitting and arguing over what fits into what genre is a waste of time. The only criteria should be, "does it sound good to [I]me[/I]". That's all I care about at least.[/QUOTE]
i'm not saying [i]you shouldn't[/i] enjoy those types of music. just saying why i don't - i know lots of people that like them and that's fine i don't really care.
i was more pointing out the irony of a pop-metal artist complaining and whinging about popular music of any other genre. he's a pop artist, through and through, so hearing him bitch about how bad popular music is is just pretty entertaining because he's indirectly commenting on his own music
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
also genre distinctions are pretty important when you're analyzing the history of different styles of music, nu metal was literally an attempt by record companies to market metal to a larger popular audience. it's by definition popularized metal music - it's prepackaged and easy to swallow and repetitive and pretty much every single complaint that corey taylor lifted against pop hip-hop or indie pop or any other genre fits exactly against his style of genre too, it's laughable
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48380398]i'm not saying [i]you shouldn't[/i] enjoy those types of music. just saying why i don't - i know lots of people that like them and that's fine i don't really care.
i was more pointing out the irony of a pop-metal artist complaining and whinging about popular music of any other genre. he's a pop artist, through and through, so hearing him bitch about how bad popular music is is just pretty entertaining because he's indirectly commenting on his own music
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
also genre distinctions are pretty important when you're analyzing the history of different styles of music, nu metal was literally an attempt by record companies to market metal to a larger popular audience. it's by definition popularized metal music - it's prepackaged and easy to swallow and repetitive [B]and pretty much every single complaint that corey taylor lifted against pop hip-hop or indie pop or any other genre fits exactly against his style of genre too[/B], it's laughable[/QUOTE]
Does it really? One of his points is:
"[...] It's so auto tuned, it's so beat corrected, it's so canned and processed and lifeless. [...] And to watch these people basically let a computer go through the motions(?) and do all the work for them is insulting."
And this is part of his solo career:
[video]https://youtu.be/PV9y5qXAd2k?list=PLZ-g-OoOp7KKmWo2h2yzsb9qbTjd--Hxr[/video]
Might not be the best artist ever, and you might not enjoy it at all, but it's still very good quality, raw sound.
He also claims that "it’s insulting to everyone out there who has more talent and less attention", I'm not sure about previous statements from him, but if I'm going to take anything from this thread alone is that you don't bother actually considering dissenting opinions and just go with arguing against clickbaity titles rather than the actual points made.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;48374453]I don't really care about his opinion because he makes worse music anyway[/QUOTE]
He is an extremely talented musician
Whether or not you like his beats are irrelevant. Not even a slipknot fan.
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