[QUOTE=Code3Response;48378971]I only knew of this one
[img]http://emilyvolman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/run_the_world_vs_bohemian_rhapsody-109577.jpg[/img]
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
The first 50 times I heard Bad Blood it was great. The next 50 its just meh.[/QUOTE]
good job comparing a hook to a verse
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
also it's not like Bohemian Rhapsody means anything either
How about if you don't like pop music just don't listen to it? That's what I do because I'm not its target audience.
I don't mind pop music but if all you listen to or care about is the top 40 you're probably a boring person
Corey Taylor did a good job covering Rainbow in the Dark
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnthat's about it
Pop is an industry in the most literal sense.
If you can imagine, it's much like a factory with a conveyor belt and a production line. The material that is made there is based off of a tried and true template, it never changes. They get popular singers and rappers to sing lyrics that they didn't write themselves and give it to one of a handful of producers in the industry the literally produce every pop song from ariana grande to fucking pitbull.
Then they release it and market the ever living shit out of it. Play it on the radio, market it on spotify, itunes etc etc.
The obscene amount of marketing is actually what makes it popular. Not necessarily thats its even good.
If you play something on all the mainstream networks for long enough with a formula that has been built particularly to make pop songs popular, then it doesn't matter if its good or not, people will like it whether it's to their actual musical taste or not.
I compare the industry to the news industry. Just like it doesn't matter what news reporters on CNN say, it doesn't matter what the fuck comes out of the pop industry, it will make waves because it is being shoved in our fucking faces non stop every day.
corey was born in the wrong generation
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;48380877]good job comparing a hook to a verse
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
also it's not like Bohemian Rhapsody means anything either[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, because I obviously made that well circulated image
[QUOTE=Blah360;48374702]I'm getting really sick of this bandwagon that rock and metal artists jump on with pop music being shit. I'm a metalhead at heart, but I love me some Katy Perry and Taylor Swift as well. Stop caring so much about the means of which the content was created and just embrace what your ears like to hear.[/QUOTE]
I notice rock and metalheads get uppity about other genres of music a whole lot more than the hardcore fans of other genres do. Never quite understood why.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48377321]That was one group. Today every pop group is the equivalent of Milli Vanilli.[/QUOTE]
"Girl You Know It's True" is a good song tho, even if it attributed to a band that didn't sing it.
I can kind of see where he is coming from, but i feel as if he is a bit misdirected. I don't think its about the effort as much as it is about the passion and love you have for what you do (of course if you do have passion you are going to put in the effort).
I think that it [I]is[/I] insulting to see people who clearly have no real love for what they do and simply do it as a means to get rich and become famous (Even more so when it works). For example, as a game developer it makes me angry when I see these asset-flip games like Temper Tantrum cause its so obvious that the guy was just wanting to make a quick buck and has no love for game development. Even in like AAA games it gets me mad when publishers seem to want to push out games as quickly as possible so they can get their money faster, with no real thought put into making the game good.
Like, even if a person isn't that good at what they do, I can at least respect them if they show that they love what they do and truly enjoy doing it.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48382605]Ah yes, because I obviously made that well circulated image[/QUOTE]
I never said you made it
[QUOTE=crazymonkay;48382791]I can kind of see where he is coming from, but i feel as if he is a bit misdirected. I don't think its about the effort as much as it is about the passion and love you have for what you do (of course if you do have passion you are going to put in the effort).
I think that it [I]is[/I] insulting to see people who clearly have no real love for what they do and simply do it as a means to get rich and become famous (Even more so when it works). For example, as a game developer it makes me angry when I see these asset-flip games like Temper Tantrum cause its so obvious that the guy was just wanting to make a quick buck and has no love for game development. Even in like AAA games it gets me mad when publishers seem to want to push out games as quickly as possible so they can get their money faster, with no real thought put into making the game good.
Like, even if a person isn't that good at what they do, I can at least respect them if they show that they love what they do and truly enjoy doing it.[/QUOTE]
I was discussing with a friend last night about this, and from the artist's perspective it's very painful to create something unique and be copied down to the teeth, resulting in the over saturation and death of a particular style.
Think Skrillex with dubstep: everyone and their mom was jumping on that dubstep bandwagon for quick plays and quick fame. It was all about that FILTHY BASS AND HEAVY DRUM PATTERN MAN.
The same thing happens with folk rock:
[video=youtube;rGKfrgqWcv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKfrgqWcv0[/video]
[video=youtube;HoRkntoHkIE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRkntoHkIE[/video]
[video=youtube;zvCBSSwgtg4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCBSSwgtg4[/video]
These people (save for Mumford and Sons which I think jumpstarted everything) have effectively ruined that sub-genre. I don't want to listen to it anymore.
I just hate how bands change their style to fit in. Like Train going from stuff like Meet Virginia to the trash that they put out now.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;48383074]I just hate how bands change their style to fit in. Like Train going from stuff like Meet Virginia to the trash that they put out now.[/QUOTE]
Train's old stuff was great and really reminds me of my father. Train's new stuff is awful.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48378058]It's true. Back in the 80s and 90s music was music and everyone was authentic. No studio bullshit, just real musicians. We had banging excellent hits like this!
[video=youtube;DvoGYXtV5GA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvoGYXtV5GA[/video]
[sp](For those unaware, this song was cooked up in a studio and recorded before either of the "singers" was ever involved)[/sp]
ED: fuck, someone already mentioned Milli Vanilli.[/QUOTE]
i would be lying if i said the punchy rhythms and soothing voices weren't catchy as hell
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;48380640]Does it really? One of his points is:
"[...] It's so auto tuned, it's so beat corrected, it's so canned and processed and lifeless. [...] And to watch these people basically let a computer go through the motions(?) and do all the work for them is insulting."
And this is part of his solo career:
[video]https://youtu.be/PV9y5qXAd2k?list=PLZ-g-OoOp7KKmWo2h2yzsb9qbTjd--Hxr[/video]
Might not be the best artist ever, and you might not enjoy it at all, but it's still very good quality, raw sound.
He also claims that "it’s insulting to everyone out there who has more talent and less attention", I'm not sure about previous statements from him, but if I'm going to take anything from this thread alone is that you don't bother actually considering dissenting opinions and just go with arguing against clickbaity titles rather than the actual points made.[/QUOTE]
see, you prefer "raw" sound. that doesn't make it any better in any way, and his ability to play an instrument doesn't make [i]the end result[/i] any better than an artist who just organizes samples on a laptop. I much prefer the overproduced, perfected sound that he's ragging on. I can appreciate rawness, though, I love lo-fi bedroom pop, I love vocal rawness like Modest Mouse, I love groups that don't overproduce - in general I just prefer a solidly produced piece of work that has quality mixing and mastering over something that doesn't. Not a rule, just a general preference.
I've considered his opinion. It's stupid. Sure, some bubblegum pop like Katy Perry doesn't have much depth lyrically or thematically, but [i]pop music has literally always been shallow[/i]. When you have artists like The Weeknd topping charts and reinvigorating R&B and creating an entire new aesthetic and subgenre singlehandedly, along with taking influence from artists like Michael Jackson and creating a cult following of fans that don't even necessarily like pop music, the argument that "pop music sucks" is just ignorant of reality.
I'm not a huge fan of bubblegum pop like Carlie Rae Jepsen or Katy Perry or a lot of other people who make canned hits. I would never say they're [i]bad[/i]. I'm just not a fan.
The critical difference in what I'm saying and what Corey Taylor is saying is that I can realize that [i]that style of music isn't what I like[/i]. Corey Taylor doesn't like something, and suddenly [i]it's bad in every possible aspect[/i]. He makes his opinion of the music into something he parades around as a fact. It isn't. He just doesn't like it, it grates his ears, okay - plenty of people say that about Slipknot, too. Katy Perry does not make "bad music," she makes catchy infectious music. If you don't like that, don't listen to it and stop bitching about it, simple as that. I don't like Slipknot, so I don't listen to them. Corey Taylor's acting in a very holier-than-thou, pretentious attitude when he could, you know, just not listen to the music that he doesn't like.
I have a CD collection and I listen to it a lot when I'm driving to my gf's house every weekend. I listen to Manowar, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Sepultura, etc etc. I've grew up listening to that. Hell, I even have an youtube video of myself singing a Megadeth's song on karaoke with another guy. But when my gf is inside my car, I like to let her to pick the music: we still listen to Metal or we listen to her songs. I love to get some Taylor Swift or even some Ariana Grande, idk, something to chill. I get tired of being always listening to the same genre.
Ya'll niggas need to chill and to listen to everything you love. You can even listen to traditional mongolian music that I won't care. Just follow your heart.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;48380640]Does it really? One of his points is:
"[...] It's so auto tuned, it's so beat corrected, it's so canned and processed and lifeless. [...] And to watch these people basically let a computer go through the motions(?) and do all the work for them is insulting."
And this is part of his solo career:
[video]https://youtu.be/PV9y5qXAd2k?list=PLZ-g-OoOp7KKmWo2h2yzsb9qbTjd--Hxr[/video]
Might not be the best artist ever, and you might not enjoy it at all, but it's still very good quality, raw sound.
He also claims that "it’s insulting to everyone out there who has more talent and less attention", I'm not sure about previous statements from him, but if I'm going to take anything from this thread alone is that you don't bother actually considering dissenting opinions and just go with arguing against clickbaity titles rather than the actual points made.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I'm totally fine with people making the case that people shouldn't be using autotune, automation, or other forms of music programming, but only if they make that case across the board. They also have to hate CGI in movies, using Photoshop for [I]anything[/I], and all kinds of other stuff.
I'm honestly tired of people suggesting that people like me shouldn't be making music. I can kind of play piano, kind of play the drums, and kind of play the guitar... kind of. But should that mean I can't play music? Should I be locked out of an entire artform because I can't personally play my compositions?
[video=youtube;2NfpFDwH0Q4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtEqc8SUUM[/video]
This is all programmed in the Reaper DAW with sample libraries. Should we look down on his music because he didn't conduct it in real life, or play any of the instruments himself? (save for the harpejji for guitar sounds)
I'm totally for appreciating live playing, but I don't think we should make live playing the standard and look down on people who don't play live. I think what matters is the finished art piece.
Here's another song where he does play the harpejji to create guitar sounds, but with everything else programmed in his music program:
[video=youtube;C96ifE4iZWM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C96ifE4iZWM[/video]
I listen to whatever as long as it isn't country.
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;48385630]all i hear is an out-of-touch old man insulted that there are new ways to produce music[/QUOTE]
while simultaneously having a dedicated sampler/keyboardist and a turntablist in his band making use of those same techniques
but don't you dare overproduce your music to make it crisp and clean, it needs to be [i]raw[/i], even if the rawness is synthetic and not actually raw but made lo-fi and raw in a studio like slipknot does
I wonder how he feels about Jason Becker, who continued his metal solo career entirely through the use of computers, samples, and other musicians doing what he cannot.
But if he reveres Jason Becker as a hero, like most of us in metal do, then what's wrong with other people using computers to compose or using other studio musicians?
[QUOTE=Swiket;48379846]He-Man is a better rockstar than him.[/QUOTE]
Oh man the bass in that song has a fucking disgusting tone, I stopped the video as soon as I heard it
Does nobody know who [URL="https://youtu.be/-BGlFsf9DM8?t=162"]Jack[/URL] [URL="https://youtu.be/5azvGKGbEjI?t=261"]Bruce[/URL] is fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Bass is one of the most important instruments in music, and when it sounds like shit the entire song sounds empty and plastic. Fuck. That bass player may very well be awesome, but his tone ruined any chance he had at impressing me
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
don't mind me, I'm a bass player and I womp
His argument is really childish. To him it's about talent and hard work as if you have to be acknowledged by him in order to be considered a REAL musician and to make GOOD music. If his beef with it is because it's less work, then he's not a real musician because 4/5 man bands take no skill compared to entire orchestras.
I can understand why someone in the music business takes it this seriously, but the audience shouldn't. Sometimes I want to listen to Deadmau5 and sometimes I want to listen to Blink 182. How the music is made doesn't concern me, I just like it.
[QUOTE=zizzleplix;48379977]Checking back at this thread, some people here are making legitimate criticisms of Corey's statements and the "pop=shit" mentality (ex: .Isak, SoaringScout, etc.) while others are just resulting to "No you!" arguments, petty insults, etc. (ex:J!NX, Rusty100, etc.).[/QUOTE]
pointing out the irony of his statement is a 'no you' argument?
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;48387890]His argument is really childish. To him it's about talent and hard work as if you have to be acknowledged by him in order to be considered a REAL musician and to make GOOD music. If his beef with it is because it's less work, then he's not a real musician because 4/5 man bands take no skill compared to entire orchestras.
I can understand why someone in the music business takes it this seriously, but the audience shouldn't. Sometimes I want to listen to Deadmau5 and sometimes I want to listen to Blink 182. How the music is made doesn't concern me, I just like it.[/QUOTE]
Soylent Green is people, though. How it's made does't concern me, I just like it.
[QUOTE=ImpSnob;48380877]good job comparing a hook to a verse
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Not picking sides or anything but the original Freddy vs Kanye picture is the same
[QUOTE=wauterboi;48385486]Okay, I'm totally fine with people making the case that people shouldn't be using autotune, automation, or other forms of music programming, but only if they make that case across the board. They also have to hate CGI in movies, using Photoshop for [I]anything[/I], and all kinds of other stuff.
I'm honestly tired of people suggesting that people like me shouldn't be making music. I can kind of play piano, kind of play the drums, and kind of play the guitar... kind of. But should that mean I can't play music? Should I be locked out of an entire artform because I can't personally play my compositions?[/QUOTE]
Not at all, composition is an absolutely amazing skill all around. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing against digital artforms or anything of the sort. Just to get my point across:
This is good:
[video=youtube;yUwKzaPqtAM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwKzaPqtAM[/video]
This is overproduced, low artistic effort cookie-cutter trash:
[video=youtube;Asy6Cpbtwfs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asy6Cpbtwfs[/video]
And you know what? Who gives a shit, music is all about enjoying yourself, and it sells because there's a market.
[quote]This is all programmed in the Reaper DAW with sample libraries. Should we look down on his music because he didn't conduct it in real life, or play any of the instruments himself? (save for the harpejji for guitar sounds)[/quote]
I have a vague idea of how these are produced, and it takes quite a while to build and fine-tune a good sample library if you're not going to use pre-made stuff. It's still effort in my books. It's even worse if you're going to procedurally generate samples, an obscene amount of research and development even for experienced people in the field.
[quote]I'm totally for appreciating live playing, but I don't think we should make live playing the standard and look down on people who don't play live. I think what matters is the finished art piece.[/quote]
I agree somewhat. But I still think the process is also important, see "fractal music" and the likes of it.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48384941]<...>[/QUOTE]
The classic metalhead attitude of berating on fans of other genres unironically is fucking retarded, and bitching constantly about conveyor-belt, pipeline produced music doesn't get you anywhere. However, when a phone with mp3 costs 30$ tops it gets really hard to avoid listening to music you don't like, which for me doesn't make much difference, but I imagine that for people in the music industry it might carve into their mind slowly with time.
Anyways, I'm not arguing in his shoes, more than once I've defended enjoying shit music. It's subjective and nobody should be pointing fingers even if you're into [i]harsh noise[/i]. I was actually pointing out that you were arguing against points he didn't actually make, not only that, while his complaint apply to his genre, it doesn't really apply to his career as a whole, making your observation uncalled for.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48374566]I like my nostalgic goggles thank you very much. I have no beef with music since it's art and subjective.
I mean, that's like calling Jackson Pollock lazy. Who cares how easy it is to make if people like it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I definitely agree but at the same time you can see why people like this guy get so sour, they work pretty hard to produce their music, and then you get artists just singing in the mic and having their producers do the actual work.
[QUOTE=Yogkog;48388081]Not picking sides or anything but the original Freddy vs Kanye picture is the same[/QUOTE]
exactly, it's poking fun of the Bey/Freddy image
[sp]kanye is a way better lyricist btw[/sp]
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